How would you like to see the SEC do scheduling moving forward?

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JL24 said:
I think the SEC is planning a meeting in a couple of weeks to talk about how to do scheduling when Oklahoma and Texas come in.

How would you prefer to see it done? Divisions, pods, or something else?
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I’m starting to come around to the 3 permanent opponents and rotating the other 6 every year
 
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onevol74 said:
I am an old guy and I agree with this. We are not competitive with the top of the SEC and will not be for the for see able future. When we dropped Auburn for Florida and Georgia we killed the old rivalry era.

But I am one who also questions with our future OOC scheduling if we really belong in the SEC anymore? I think we are more of a mid-major program. And Danny White is scheduling as such.
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Is this a serious post?
 
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#78
Rickyvol77 said:
Is this a serious post?
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Yes. We are trying to find opponents we can beat, not challenges. BYU is on a winning trend now and UVA is trending below us.

How many attractive series has UT canceled in the last 10-15 years? If you were an AD at another school, would you depend on any series you scheduled with UT?
 
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onevol74 said:
Yes. We are trying to find opponents we can beat, not challenges. BYU is on a winning trend now and UVA is trending below us.

How many attractive series has UT canceled in the last 10-15 years? If you were an AD at another school, would you depend on any series you scheduled with UT?
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There have been no attractive series

BYU isn’t special. Army isn’t special and UNC back in 2011 wasn’t special. It’s part of the sport

central Florida, Ohio State, USC all cancelled on us and it wasn’t a big deal then either.

As of now we have Virginia, Syracuse, Nebraska, etc in upcoming series and those are fine OOC opponents.
 
#80
#80
I lean toward scheduling where the players actually see every other stadium in the conference at least once during their time here. So, home and away versus every team at least once every four years.

Divisions:
You can't do that with 8 team divisions without some really aggressive scheduling. You've tied up seven games a year on division opponents, and you'd have to go to an 11-game conference schedule to do a home-and-away with the 8 teams in the other division on a four-year rotation. I'd call that brutal, and awesome, and really, really unlikely.

Pods:
You can do it with pods and a 9-game conference schedule. Three games a year versus your pod. Then play two teams out of each other pod each year - one home and one away from each other pod. You see every stadium at least once every four years. Drawback: this is unbalanced and you have four conference home games one year and five the next. I'd balance this with requiring all SEC teams schedule a home and away with a P5 OOC opponent, and whatever year you've got 5 home conference games, you're away at some other P5 school. I'd love to see that take the form of an SEC/ACC challenge week, or something like that.
This is based on four pods of four: [Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt], [Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina], [Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas], [LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Texas A&M]

2024:
vs Alabama (pod 1)
@ Auburn (pod 1)
vs Vanderbilt (pod 1)
@ Florida (pod 2)
vs Kentucky (pod 2)
@ Missouri (pod 3)
vs Oklahoma (pod 3)
@ Texas A&M (pod 4)
vs Mississippi State (pod 4)
(@ Florida State - ACC)

2025:
@ Alabama (pod 1)
vs Auburn (pod 1)
@ Vanderbilt (pod 1)
vs Georgia (pod 2)
@South Carolina (pod 2)
vs Arkansas (pod 3)
@ Texas (pod 3)
vs Ole Miss (pod 4)
@ LSU (pod 4)
(vs Virginia - ACC)

2026:
vs Alabama (pod 1)
@ Auburn (pod 1)
vs Vanderbilt (pod 1)
vs Florida (pod 2)
@ Kentucky (pod 2)
vs Missouri (pod 3)
@ Oklahoma (pod 3)
vs Texas A&M (pod 4)
@ Mississippi State (pod 4)
(@ North Carolina - ACC)

2027:
@ Alabama (pod 1)
vs Auburn (pod 1)
@ Vanderbilt (pod 1)
@ Georgia (pod 2)
vs South Carolina (pod 2)
@ Arkansas (pod 3)
vs Texas (pod 3)
@ Ole Miss (pod 4)
vs LSU (pod 4)
(vs Miami - ACC)

One big happy conference:
Or you can do it by dropping divisions and pods altogether, and have no permanent opponents at all. If you do that, then a home and away versus everyone is 30 games. You could do a 10-game conference schedule and be guaranteed to see every stadium at least once every three years.
 
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#83
Full rotation throughout the Conference. Do away with the playing of traditional Rivalries ever year. Do away with Divisions. It is eventually going to be the top two in each conference going to the playoffs anyway.......but they will screw it up no matter what they do.
 
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thistime said:
Full rotation throughout the Conference. Do away with the playing of traditional Rivalries ever year. Do away with Divisions. It is eventually going to be the top two in each conference going to the playoffs anyway.......but they will screw it up no matter what they do.
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With an even number of teams, you have to have an odd number of static opponents, or the rotational ones will be wonky and uneven.
 
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mrmax86 said:
With an even number of teams, you have to have an odd number of static opponents, or the rotational ones will be wonky and uneven.
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Play a 8 team rotation adding 2 new teams each year and have a home and away built into the rotation. No division and the top two teams either play in a SEC Championship or both go to the National Playoffs if that is what a future Championship looks like. I know feelings will be hurt but the rivalry thing in which I have always been a proponent of has in the last few years changed. When you add the new schools that are coming I think EVERYONE would want to see UT and TX every year so who do you drop.....Vandy or KY which in the past have been traditional wins ? It's just time to change I think.
 
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Vol865 said:
Maybe we should move to the Sun Belt then. Maybe that schedule would be better for you. I'd be ok with swapping UGA for someone but not the other 2.
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Competitive balance. When the SEC expanded we got Alabama and Arkansas. No one got the top 2 teams in the country plus another team we beat once the past 17 years. Heupel will not get enough time if we start SEC play with 2 or 3 losses on our schedule. Florida is never going to be an automatic W, even when we improve.
 
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#87
ArmchairQB said:
I lean toward scheduling where the players actually see every other stadium in the conference at least once during their time here. So, home and away versus every team at least once every four years.

Divisions:
You can't do that with 8 team divisions without some really aggressive scheduling. You've tied up seven games a year on division opponents, and you'd have to go to an 11-game conference schedule to do a home-and-away with the 8 teams in the other division on a four-year rotation. I'd call that brutal, and awesome, and really, really unlikely.

Pods:
You can do it with pods and a 9-game conference schedule. Three games a year versus your pod. Then play two teams out of each other pod each year - one home and one away from each other pod. You see every stadium at least once every four years. Drawback: this is unbalanced and you have four conference home games one year and five the next. I'd balance this with requiring all SEC teams schedule a home and away with a P5 OOC opponent, and whatever year you've got 5 home conference games, you're away at some other P5 school. I'd love to see that take the form of an SEC/ACC challenge week, or something like that.
This is based on four pods of four: [Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt], [Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina], [Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas], [LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Texas A&M]

2024:
vs Alabama (pod 1)
@ Auburn (pod 1)
vs Vanderbilt (pod 1)
@ Florida (pod 2)
vs Kentucky (pod 2)
@ Missouri (pod 3)
vs Oklahoma (pod 3)
@ Texas A&M (pod 4)
vs Mississippi State (pod 4)
(@ Florida State - ACC)

2025:
@ Alabama (pod 1)
vs Auburn (pod 1)
@ Vanderbilt (pod 1)
vs Georgia (pod 2)
@South Carolina (pod 2)
vs Arkansas (pod 3)
@ Texas (pod 3)
vs Ole Miss (pod 4)
@ LSU (pod 4)
(vs Virginia - ACC)

2026:
vs Alabama (pod 1)
@ Auburn (pod 1)
vs Vanderbilt (pod 1)
vs Florida (pod 2)
@ Kentucky (pod 2)
vs Missouri (pod 3)
@ Oklahoma (pod 3)
vs Texas A&M (pod 4)
@ Mississippi State (pod 4)
(@ North Carolina - ACC)

2027:
@ Alabama (pod 1)
vs Auburn (pod 1)
@ Vanderbilt (pod 1)
@ Georgia (pod 2)
vs South Carolina (pod 2)
@ Arkansas (pod 3)
vs Texas (pod 3)
@ Ole Miss (pod 4)
vs LSU (pod 4)
(vs Miami - ACC)

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I would love to see an SEC/ACC type of challenge each year. You could have the traditional rivals keep their annual games each season, but have 1 big weekend where Tennessee, Bama, LSU, Auburn, Mississippi schools, Vandy, aTm, Arkansas play an ACC opponent. Duke, UNC, State, Wake, UVA, VT, BC, Miami, Syracuse. When OU and Texas come in the ACC could throw in Notre Dame if they wanted to. Hell you could break it up over 2 weekends and make a big spectacle of it. Obviously that collection of ACC schools that don’t already have a built in SEC rival would get their ass kicked though.
 
#88
#88
2 divisions;
East. West
UT. Ark
UF. Ole Miss
UGA. Miss State
ALA. Texas
Auburn. Ok
UK. MIZZO
Vandy LSU
usc. A&M

7 inner-division games and only those count for division standings (gets rid of teams like ky finishing 2nd and tn 3rd just because tn west opponents were better). 2 other sec games rotating each year so every 4 years it resets. leaves 3 ooc games for a total of 12. perfect!

division winners play in sec title game 2nd weekend in december! leaves a week for a bye week. start games by first weekend is september!
 
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ThreatLevelOrange said:
Competitive balance. When the SEC expanded we got Alabama and Arkansas. No one got the top 2 teams in the country plus another team we beat once the past 17 years. Heupel will not get enough time if we start SEC play with 2 or 3 losses on our schedule. Florida is never going to be an automatic W, even when we improve.
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It's literally 3 games a year. We would have 6 other games for competitive balance. I want to keep rivalries. Playing Vandy every year is boring.
 
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#90
In the 99s
Vol865 said:
It's literally 3 games a year. We would have 6 other games for competitive balance. I want to keep rivalries. Playing Vandy every year is boring.
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This isn’t the 90s, and we haven’t been good enough to win in spite of this schedule. Playing Alabama is one thing for sake of tradition. But we used to play Auburn and Ole Miss rather then Georgia and Florida. Some rotation will be welcomed.
 
#91
#91
For what its worth, took this from a Saturday Down South article:
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According to Sports Illustrated’s Ross Dellenger, the SEC came into the week down to either the 3-6 model (3 permanent matchups and 6 rotating home-and-homes) or the 1-7 model (1 permanent matchup and 7 rotating home-and-homes).

Those might look similar, but those have significant differences, the most obvious one being that we’re comparing an 8-game conference schedule to a 9-game conference schedule. The former is what the SEC had for the past 3 decades, the latter is uncharted territory.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Keep the divisions. Move Mizzou west, Bama and Auburn east. TX and OK join the west.*

Play a 9-game SEC schedule: 7 games in division, 2 cross-divisional stepladder (home, then away, then fall off the schedule for several years until all the other cross-division opponents have done the same).**

Three out-of-conference games are free to each school to schedule as they wish, with one requirement: at least one of the three must be a Power 5 team.

The only down side of this structure is the six-year gap without playing cross-divisional opponents. You play them two years in a row (home, then away), and then go six years without seeing them.

Oh, and getting to Atlanta is no longer based on conference record. Instead, it is division record. Conference record can be the first tie-breaker.


* For clarity:
-- East = Vols, UGa, Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky, Vandy, Bama, and Auburn.
-- West = LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, Arky, A&M, Mizzou, TX, and OK.

** Also for clarity: Tennessee's cross-divisional schedule may look like this:

Year 1 - LSU (away), Ole Miss (home)
Year 2 - Ole Miss (away), Oklahoma (home)
Year 3 - OK (away), Miss St (home)
Year 4 - Miss St (away), Texas (home)
Year 5 - TX (away), Mizzou (home)
Year 6 - Mizzou (away), A&M (home)
Year 7 - A&M (away), Arky (home)
Year 8 - Arky (away), LSU (home
repeat


p.s. Why keep the divisions? Well, the old "if it ain't broke don't fix it," comes to mind. But more than that, the SEC is growing. From 12 to 14 to 16 teams, and who knows if more are coming. Going to get so big at some point that it stops feeling like a conference and starts feeling like a mini-league. When that time comes, the divisions can fill the "neighborhood" role that the conference once did. In engineering terms, we'll be needing that interior structure as the edifice enlarges.
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It stopped being the SOUTHEASTERN conference when Mizzou and A&M came in. I can hardly wait for Arizona and UCLA to join.
 
#93
#93
thistime said:
Play a 8 team rotation adding 2 new teams each year and have a home and away built into the rotation. No division and the top two teams either play in a SEC Championship or both go to the National Playoffs if that is what a future Championship looks like. I know feelings will be hurt but the rivalry thing in which I have always been a proponent of has in the last few years changed. When you add the new schools that are coming I think EVERYONE would want to see UT and TX every year so who do you drop.....Vandy or KY which in the past have been traditional wins ? It's just time to change I think.
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I'd very much like to see Vols vs Longhorns every year. I'm ok with dropping Vandy for The Battle of the real UT or call it the Orange Bowl
 
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#94
Vol865 said:
It's literally 3 games a year. We would have 6 other games for competitive balance. I want to keep rivalries. Playing Vandy every year is boring.
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If we do pods I can see us coming in second the majority of the time behind bama but infront if vandy and auburn.
 
#96
#96
I would rank our rivalries this way:

1. Bama
2. Vandy
3. Kentucky
4. Florida
5. Georgia
6. Auburn
7. Ole Miss
8. Miss State
9. Georgia Tech
10. the rest

That shows I'm on the older end of the spectrum. A young person might more likely put Florida and Georgia in the #1 and #2 positions. A really old fella (I mean, well over 100) might put Vandy and Kentucky above Bama, and might have Sewanee on the list.

It really comes down to your lifetime exposure to opponents our lads have faced off against.

One thing is for sure: what we choose now will absolutely color how a kid born next week sees our "rivals" thirty years from now. Who do you want her putting at the top of the list?
 
#97
#97
VFL-82-JP said:
I would rank our rivalries this way:

1. Bama
2. Vandy
3. Kentucky
4. Florida
5. Georgia
6. Auburn
7. Ole Miss
8. Miss State
9. Georgia Tech
10. the rest

That shows I'm on the older end of the spectrum. A young person might more likely put Florida and Georgia in the #1 and #2 positions. A really old fella (I mean, well over 100) might put Vandy and Kentucky above Bama, and might have Sewanee on the list.

It really comes down to your lifetime exposure to opponents our lads have faced off against.

One thing is for sure: what we choose now will absolutely color how a kid born next week sees our "rivals" thirty years from now. Who do you want her putting at the top of the list?
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For me it's

1. Florida
2. Bama
3. UGA

I couldn't care less if we ever played Vandy again and Kentucky barely moves the needle for me. I hate Ole Miss more after last year than I could ever hate the other 2.
 
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