How many years will it take

[Jim]

Next year will suck. Will be bowling the year after. Saban will retire or stroke out at the end of year 2 and Pruitt will go to bama. We will hire Gruden after his 2 years of failure with the raiders. Gruden will coach for one year and go back to broadcasting. We will hire Dooley after he takes app state to a 9-3 record.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Gruden. It was always Gruden or bust. We busted. Pruitt was on no one's radar. Maybe it will work out. (Fourth time's the charm?) Kiffin, Dooley, Jones, Pruitt.

Can't tell if serious.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

We'll know by year 2.

 

[hillarious_vol]

I know this, if it dont happen in like 2-3 years our fanbase will run his butt out of town.

 

[Boston Vol]

At a place like Tennessee, if you aren’t competing for titles by year 3 or 4, it’s not likely ever going to happen. Next year looks like a 6-7 win team. Year two should see marked improvement, and by year three you should be off and running.

 

[Nocleats]

How many years will it take before CJP has the type players and depth that it will take to have a defense capable of what Alabamas defense did last night?

That is the question. How many Years would it take to have the talent and depth in place to play at that skill level in that system?

 

[tvolsfan]

If he’s good? 2-3.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

The one constant in building a Saban level defense is a Saban and he didn't take the job.

Expecting Pruitt to get UT to that level short term is foolhardy.

Think we are just as likely to see a Sunseri level defense as a Saban level. Hoping Pruitt proves me wrong but the SEC is a tough place to learn on the job.

 

[Sat330pmAppt]

IMHO

2018 - 6-8 Wins including the Birmingham/Shreveport Bowl
2019 - 9-10 Wins including Music City Bowl
2020 - Lot's of Defensive Personnel Turnover with Rising Jr/RS Soph's replacing Srs. - 8 Wins
2021 - Breakthrough to ATL

 

[LA vol7]

Marked improvement in two years. Next year will surprise people, and in three years, we will be solid. Just remember, the whole SEC is getting better, not just us. Florida is on the way back, Missouri, KY, SC, and well, GA, so, just be patient. That's not to mention the West will be the west. But hang on, things are changing for the better. One thing for sure, and I guarantee it, we will not be worse in the SEC next year!

 

[Nocleats]

Again, How many years would it take for Tennessee to get the player type, skill set, and depth for Tennessee's defense to play like Alabama's defense performed Monday night. The question has NOTHING to do with wins and losses or divisional titles or rankings or anything other than how many years would it take to have a defense that looks like, is a deep as, has the talent level of/ correct body type and understanding to run the base 3-4 defense that Bama did Monday.. That's the ?.

Wins and losses are not the question.. Hell Vols may not be able to score one time all season on offense and Vols lose every game because of that. I just want to know how long to build a defense like that?

 

[jakez4ut]

Again, How many years would it take for Tennessee to get the player type, skill set, and depth for Tennessee's defense to play like Alabama's defense performed Monday night. The question has NOTHING to do with wins and losses or divisional titles or rankings or anything other than how many years would it take to have a defense that looks like, is a deep as, has the talent level of/ correct body type and understanding to run the base 3-4 defense that Bama did Monday.. That's the ?.

Wins and losses are not the question.. Hell Vols may not be able to score one time all season on offense and Vols lose every game because of that. I just want to know how long to build a defense like that?

considering alabama has recruited 5 or 6 straight #1 classes in a row up to this year, and the lowest class they've had in, what, the last 10, is #3?

to get that kind of depth, where it is really just a rotation of stud after stud, and every running back looks like Derrick Henry....

i'm not sure it's realistic to expect that level of depth.

what bama has done/is doing shouldn't be doable in today's day and age. it's an outlier.

to get to the point where we can realistically compete at that level...i think 3 years of top 5-10 recruiting is what it will take to get thru a season and be able to finish.

we've been kind of doing it backward with butch too, don't forget.

we tend to think about depth in terms of having to replace injured players that simply go away as a result of that injury. and the 2nd and 3rd level guys have not been able to measure up.

the difference in what Bama, GA, Auburn, LSU etc...do vs. what we've done is developing the depth thru out the season........they rotate and get guys meaningful reps...regularly. butch did not.

i think that will change, and by year 3 we should have a roster that should be capable of competing for an entire season.

 

[sjt18]

How many years will it take before CJP has the type players and depth that it will take to have a defense capable of what Alabamas defense did last night? It isn't just the starting 11, I believe you almost have to be 3 deep in places and certainly 2 deep with players whose skill set matches that defense.. I say 2020 season before it becomes somewhat noticeable and 2021 to really see it.. Personally I just don't think its about teaching and learning a new defensive scheme. Its about proper body types and skill sets and then having 4 and 5 star talent with said bodies and skill sets. Not many 3-4 players on this roster, they were recruited for a 4 man base front. The other is having long 5 star type CBs that can play alone and allow LBs to go hunt..

There seems to be an idea here that it takes a long time to succeed. The truth is that the guys who can't coach what they have and have some success early... don't magically become great coaches once they get some talent. Witness Butch Jones but he's not alone.

IF Pruitt can coach then he'll win more than expected EARLIER than expected. He'll get players and compete within 3 years. If he doesn't... then you need to get yourself ready to cut bait. You don't help the program by keeping the WRONG GUY 5 years instead of 3.

 

[Nocleats]

considering alabama has recruited 5 or 6 straight #1 classes in a row up to this year, and the lowest class they've had in, what, the last 10, is #3?

to get that kind of depth, where it is really just a rotation of stud after stud, and every running back looks like Derrick Henry....

i'm not sure it's realistic to expect that level of depth.

what bama has done/is doing shouldn't be doable in today's day and age. it's an outlier.

to get to the point where we can realistically compete at that level...i think 3 years of top 5-10 recruiting is what it will take to get thru a season and be able to finish.

we've been kind of doing it backward with butch too, don't forget.

we tend to think about depth in terms of having to replace injured players that simply go away as a result of that injury. and the 2nd and 3rd level guys have not been able to measure up.

the difference in what Bama, GA, Auburn, LSU etc...do vs. what we've done is developing the depth thru out the season........they rotate and get guys meaningful reps...regularly. butch did not.

i think that will change, and by year 3 we should have a roster that should be capable of competing for an entire season.

THANK YOU!!!
I agree I tend to think 4-5 years just due to it really takes a majority to be SRs and JRs while sprinkling in Sophs, and RS FR with only an occasional True Freshman (in very rare occurrences .

Mostly Thanks for answering the question as it was asked..

 

[SGMVols]

Why is everybody so envious of Alabama? I have no desire to be the University of Alabama at Knoxville. Let's do our own thing. Screw them and Georgia too. We should have thrown the house at Chip Kelly and Scott Frost.

Kelly and Frost turned down another SEC job. No reason to believe either would've taken our job.

 

[sjt18]

considering alabama has recruited 5 or 6 straight #1 classes in a row up to this year, and the lowest class they've had in, what, the last 10, is #3?

to get that kind of depth, where it is really just a rotation of stud after stud, and every running back looks like Derrick Henry....

i'm not sure it's realistic to expect that level of depth.

what bama has done/is doing shouldn't be doable in today's day and age. it's an outlier.

to get to the point where we can realistically compete at that level...i think 3 years of top 5-10 recruiting is what it will take to get thru a season and be able to finish.

we've been kind of doing it backward with butch too, don't forget.

we tend to think about depth in terms of having to replace injured players that simply go away as a result of that injury. and the 2nd and 3rd level guys have not been able to measure up.

the difference in what Bama, GA, Auburn, LSU etc...do vs. what we've done is developing the depth thru out the season........they rotate and get guys meaningful reps...regularly. butch did not.

i think that will change, and by year 3 we should have a roster that should be capable of competing for an entire season.

It is "doable". But you pretty much have to "do it" like Saban "did it".

Without the recruiting classes he's had since... without the depth he has now... without even having "his players"... Saban won the West in his 2nd year and won the NC in his 3rd year. His first NC was with a team that combined Shula's holdovers and a bunch of really young players that Saban coached up.

Smart is in the NC game with a team very similar to Saban's first NC team. Richt holdovers and young guys that have been coached up.

This idea that you can give a coach time to "build" for several years before they compete at a high level is pure myth. The ability to get the players needed to compete dries up if you don't impress early.

 

[sjt18]

THANK YOU!!!
I agree I tend to think 4-5 years just due to it really takes a majority to be SRs and JRs while sprinkling in Sophs, and RS FR with only an occasional True Freshman (in very rare occurrences .

Mostly Thanks for answering the question as it was asked..

If it takes "4 or 5 years".... it will NEVER happen. There is ALWAYS a "new kid in town" that's "prettier" to recruits than the guy who has been in the job 3 years without winning anything.

No one wanted to admit it or deal with it but Jones was done after he failed to get it done in year 3. Recruits stopped believing and apparently so did a lot of players.

 

[peerless98]

Our cupboard is not as bare as some believe. IMO a bowl game next year is the goal. We should compete for east title in year 2 and win the east by year 4. All the new recruits will be seniors by then with 2 more signing classes of sophomores and juniors. Winning the east by year 4 should be a reasonable goal.

 

[jakez4ut]

It is "doable". But you pretty much have to "do it" like Saban "did it".

Without the recruiting classes he's had since... without the depth he has now... without even having "his players"... Saban won the West in his 2nd year and won the NC in his 3rd year. His first NC was with a team that combined Shula's holdovers and a bunch of really young players that Saban coached up.

Smart is in the NC game with a team very similar to Saban's first NC team. Richt holdovers and young guys that have been coached up.

This idea that you can give a coach time to "build" for several years before they compete at a high level is pure myth. The ability to get the players needed to compete dries up if you don't impress early.

which is why i said by year 3 if he recruits like he looks like he will we should be capable of competing at that level.

i think Kirby definitely got the best deal as far as what was left in the garage for him to play with.....i mean he walked in to a pretty good situation....especially given the meltdowns that occurred at UT and UF in this year. his path wasn't exactly littered with landmines in the East.

i think by the end of year 2 we'll have a good idea of what this staff will be all about, whether there's a championship of any kind involved or not.

you and i both know you'll be able to tell by looking at them play...and when year 2 is over...we'll know. having said all of that, he may very well be light years ahead of what we've been used to, and there's still an improving USCe to deal with, a resurgent GA to deal with, FL to deal with, and Bama.

he'll need to recruit well, i think the SEC is going to get back to being a 4-6 team league again annually, that can compete nationally. and i think this staff is the type of staff that can put us, and keep us, in that group.

 

[jakez4ut]

THANK YOU!!!
I agree I tend to think 4-5 years just due to it really takes a majority to be SRs and JRs while sprinkling in Sophs, and RS FR with only an occasional True Freshman (in very rare occurrences .

Mostly Thanks for answering the question as it was asked..

this staff comes from stock that says the best players will play. and if they recruit the way i think they can, then you may be surprised at how many RS FR and FR and SO actually see meaningful playing time.

in fact, it will be imperative that they do in order to build the dept you're going to need in year 2 and 3 to compete at the level we want to be at.

if you wait until they're RS SO or Jr's you're on the CBJ plan and that will take too long.

everyone that's said by year 3 really isn't wrong.

if it's 4-5 years before he has a team that's just capable, then we've not really done anything except waste another 5 years.

by year 3 if they recruit the way we think they can, this team could be really good and perfectly capable of competing for a conf title.

 

[jakez4ut]

the kind of players they're going to recruit...many think they'll be able to go pro after 3 years. if they get those kids, some will. and we'll need to be able to plug and play relatively quickly.

i expect them to recruit their butts off and really increase the competition level for playing time. and i expect some of the younger guys from every class they bring in to contribute.

 

[butchna]

Why is everybody so envious of Alabama? I have no desire to be the University of Alabama at Knoxville. Let's do our own thing. Screw them and Georgia too. We should have thrown the house at Chip Kelly and Scott Frost.

Like Florida did? :lol:

 

[VolAmerican]

I may be in the minority, but I think we will see vast improvement this year depending on February's signing day. Even getting a couple of top flight corners will change this team. I see him playing a lot of JUCOs and True Freshmen.

 

[RockyTopWorld]

And they had just fired a 10 win coach in a talent rich state. Two completely different scenarios here.

Kirby is loosing a lot next year. Let's see how good he does. Still an impressive second year no matter how you slice it.

Pruitt will have us on solid ground in 2 to 3 years. In 4 to 5 years, we'll be in the mix for bigger and better things.

 

[photovol]

Pruitt needs 4 more years:good!: