How many years will it take

[peytonmanningwoo]

It's just about paying a big time coach. We want to pay around 4 million a year. It's going to take double that much to compete for championships. Our fans are perfectly happy with 6 and 6. They will still pack the stadium. There is no incentive for Heavy D (Davenport) to demand more. Look at how Pearl resurrected hoops here. Just bring in a helicopter dick (Clay Travis) like Franklin or Petersen and hide and watch. We have an AD who has never been an AD, a head coach who has never been a head coach, a defensive coordinator who has never been a coordinator, and an offensive coordinator who has never called plays. Blackburn would've fixed it, but hey we're the laughing stock of the SEC for a reason.

 

[carpbc]

5 to get to Alabama talent level, 7 to get their depth.

I was thinking the same thing. Watching Saban replacing regulars with subs in blowout wins with players that are just as good as the regulars shows the depth of the BAMA squad. ... and why they win consistently. It is not just the depth, but the quality of that depth. Good grief, the 2nd string QB went in for Jalen before the end of the first half on one game and was just as effective as Jalen. then, during the fourth quarter, Saban put in the third string QB and he too ran the team just as effectively as if he had been playing all year. Amazing depth!!!

So, I agree, it will probably take four or five years of great recruiting and player development to for us to get to BAMA talent level, and another couple or three to get to the depth level. You have to have depth - injuries and other circumstances just --- happen. So, you must be prepared. Unfortunately, Dooley and Jones were not develop the kind of depth needed for those injuries and other developments and their teams suffered for their lack of preparation.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

It's just about paying a big time coach. We want to pay around 4 million a year. It's going to take double that much to compete for championships. Our fans are perfectly happy with 6 and 6. They will still pack the stadium. There is no incentive for Heavy D (Davenport) to demand more. Look at how Pearl resurrected hoops here. Just bring in a helicopter dick (Clay Travis) like Franklin or Petersen and hide and watch. We have an AD who has never been an AD, a head coach who has never been a head coach, a defensive coordinator who has never been a coordinator, and an offensive coordinator who has never called plays. Blackburn would've fixed it, but hey we're the laughing stock of the SEC for a reason.

Wow, its a wonder you are not an AD at a big time P5 school. I mean you make it sound so easy.

 

[Vol0725]

How many years will it take before CJP has the type players and depth that it will take to have a defense capable of what Alabamas defense did last night? It isn't just the starting 11, I believe you almost have to be 3 deep in places and certainly 2 deep with players whose skill set matches that defense.. I say 2020 season before it becomes somewhat noticeable and 2021 to really see it.. Personally I just don't think its about teaching and learning a new defensive scheme. Its about proper body types and skill sets and then having 4 and 5 star talent with said bodies and skill sets. Not many 3-4 players on this roster, they were recruited for a 4 man base front. The other is having long 5 star type CBs that can play alone and allow LBs to go hunt..

From a defensive perspective ...
To build the foundation and depth that Bama has...4-5 years minimum. The 5 star kids line up and apply to go to Bama, gonna take a little time to get to that level.

Strength and Conditioning will be huge factor in getting us to an elite level as well, in order to remain violent and dictating what the opponents offense does in the fourth quarter.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I was thinking the same thing. Watching Saban replacing regulars with subs in blowout wins with players that are just as good as the regulars shows the depth of the BAMA squad. ... and why they win consistently. It is not just the depth, but the quality of that depth. Good grief, the 2nd string QB went in for Jalen before the end of the first half on one game and was just as effective as Jalen. then, during the fourth quarter, Saban put in the third string QB and he too ran the team just as effectively as if he had been playing all year. Amazing depth!!!

So, I agree, it will probably take four or five years of great recruiting and player development to for us to get to BAMA talent level, and another couple or three to get to the depth level. You have to have depth - injuries and other circumstances just --- happen. So, you must be prepared. Unfortunately, Dooley and Jones were not develop the kind of depth needed for those injuries and other developments and their teams suffered for their lack of preparation.

Its really not even logical or fair to use Alabama in this context. What Saban has managed to do is absolutely unprecedented. Its just something that has never happened before and may never happen again.

Hopefully we can get to the point where we have a good defense with good depth. But getting to Alabama level? I just dont see it happening.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Great coaches have won big in year two. But it’s a pretty big mess here. If he’s winning big in year 3 then awesome. The defense should take a maximum of 3 years to get depth and in top shape imo.

3 years to get to Bama level? How so?

 

[carpbc]

Avoid the gorilla in the room, which is the unreasonable academic standard that TN applies to athletes. How long will it be? Try never, if you're thinking about the playoffs, unless they expand it to 64 teams. Pruitt has no control over that; Fulmer may have contributed to causing it. No matter, it's ingrained now. We are doing pretty well with one arm and one leg tied behind our collective back.

I don't know about the other programs of the SEC, but like UT, Vandy and MIZZOU have lofty academic admissions standards their athletes must meet... and, yes, it does hamper the recruiting and retention of athletes - big time. That is why, to be successful, it is imperative for these programs to recruit well on the national level.

 

[Schasz]

Hard to really fathom how long it will take CJP to build the D that the Crimson Tide showed last night in that dominating defeat of Clemson. All I know now is it sure as heck will be fun to see him do his best to do just that. He appears to be the kind of a HC who hates to lose. He's inheriting a team that was poorly coached to say the least. It will be interesting to see how he transforms them, and my hope next year is a bowl eligible result. He knows first hand the kind of football players it will take to compete on a championship SEC level.

 

[tbones0711]

Great coaches have won big in year two. But it’s a pretty big mess here. If he’s winning big in year 3 then awesome. The defense should take a maximum of 3 years to get depth and in top shape imo.

Defense isn't as big a problem as the offense,IMO. The last defensive-minded coach at UT was R.Neyland. Every coach since the General has came up on the offensive side of the ball. Ironically the best coach in the nation currently and likely of all time also is defensive-minded. It's not always pretty but when you play on offense you have to walk to the sideline and look at the meanest SOB's who are trying to like you. It makes you better......trust me.

 

[tbones0711]

Its really not even logical or fair to use Alabama in this context. What Saban has managed to do is absolutely unprecedented. Its just something that has never happened before and may never happen again.

Hopefully we can get to the point where we have a good defense with good depth. But getting to Alabama level? I just dont see it happening.

Saban is blessed with good foresight and knows what to do and how to react in most situations. He knows how advantageous it is to be properly prepared. Kirby will be a challenge but I think Saban has an offensive weapon that will destroy Tucker's D.

 

[JazzMaster001]

Usually you see significant improvement in year 2. That doesn't mean we're going to be winning a National Championship in year 2, but we should be able to hang with Florida, Georgia, and Bama in 2019 and beat at least one of them.

Year 3 we should be on the verge of something special if all goes right. Pruitt's 1st recruiting class will be Juniors and hopefully we'll be heading to Atlanta.

Year 4 and beyond we should be breakin' necks and cashin' checks all over the SEC.

 

[JazzMaster001]

I personally feel we have the talent now to compete. We simply had a garbage coach. Too many talented players being misused or not used at all. Pruitt won't let that happen.

True. When you look at the talent and potential we have on our D-Line alone there's no reason to be as bad as we were against the run last year other than coaching and the fact we could do nothing on offense with a lot of talented players as well, which also comes down to coaching.

I think Bob Shoop will go down as the absolute lousiest defensive coordinator in the history of UT.

I'm really hoping Pruitt gets the best out of the Seniors on D-Line next year, cause they really did nothing under Shoop & Butch.

 

[NEVolFan]

3 years to get to Bama level? How so?

Part of the plan will require the addition of a few 4 & 5* (that's stars) on the D-line... and LB, and Corners and Safety. Then coach em up. Can happen... will it? Need to see how Pruitt recruits over the next 2 years.

 

[FLVOL_79]

New offense and defense..its gonna be a while..ain't going to be pretty either.

 

[JohnD13]

How many years will it take before CJP has the type players and depth that it will take to have a defense capable of what Alabamas defense did last night? It isn't just the starting 11, I believe you almost have to be 3 deep in places and certainly 2 deep with players whose skill set matches that defense.. I say 2020 season before it becomes somewhat noticeable and 2021 to really see it.. Personally I just don't think its about teaching and learning a new defensive scheme. Its about proper body types and skill sets and then having 4 and 5 star talent with said bodies and skill sets. Not many 3-4 players on this roster, they were recruited for a 4 man base front. The other is having long 5 star type CBs that can play alone and allow LBs to go hunt..

3 years. It's all about depth. You need that 4/5 star Freshman/Sophomore talent behind your 4/5 star Junior/senior starter

 

[LittleVol]

Marked improvement immediately.

8 wins next year. 9 with a bowl game.

Pruit has been around a lot of success. He knows what it looks like.

So he'll go down the roster and see where we could build from.

Offense:
JG
Callaway
Chandler
Trey Smith
D Richmond
+
Banks
Copeland
Taylor

Have to use Chandler in a variety of ways. Copeland is must get offensively. JG will get huge upgrade with Helton. Jennings would be a tremendous re-additon
. We wont have a strong run game or strong pass game. But they can be decent. can we score enough points to be competitive with the players listed above?

Defense:
Tuttle
Taylor
Warrior
Gaulden
Bituli
Kmac
D Taylor
Kirkland
+
Peterson
Byrd
Griffin
E Smith

As bad as we were defensively. There is good veteran nucleus there. Phillips and Kongbo are key to generating pass rush. Peterson is a starter regardless of scheme.
Griffin too. Both would immediately upgrade our defense.
Gaulden AND Byrd need to start together in some type of combination. Ignot and Austin Smith need to dial in this off-season.

Butch zapped EVERYTHING with his lack of skill as a HC.

We still have prospects and good veteran players. Not many...but we have some.

This recruiting class is pivotal.
Peterson, Copeland and Griffin would greatly improve the energy of the team Alontae Taylor is a wild card.

We'll be competitive immediately.

But winning 12 games?? Year 4 i think

 

[Volfan2012]

If we aren't there by year three probably not going to happen.

 

[Otis1105]

I have y'all has a 4 year to being very very competitive in the east and maybe the SEC Championship. The days of the East champion just punching a ticket to lose to Bama is ending, that game will begin to be competitive. The scheme changes on both sides of the ball make this year bleak for y'all in my opinion. Couple that with the most talented players leaving after next year and I think year 2 is another rough year by your programs standards. Year 3 I believe you can compete with every team but probably fall short due to depth and Year 4 could be legitimate contenders. This is all if Clay Helton works out and there is no need to change OC's. I am still very skeptical of Will Friend as well. Friends O-lines do not match up well with the Bama's, Auburns, LSU's (historically) and what I hope UGA is building in the front 7

 

[Evergrenevol]

How many years will it take before CJP has the type players and depth that it will take to have a defense capable of what Alabamas defense did last night? It isn't just the starting 11, I believe you almost have to be 3 deep in places and certainly 2 deep with players whose skill set matches that defense.. I say 2020 season before it becomes somewhat noticeable and 2021 to really see it.. Personally I just don't think its about teaching and learning a new defensive scheme. Its about proper body types and skill sets and then having 4 and 5 star talent with said bodies and skill sets. Not many 3-4 players on this roster, they were recruited for a 4 man base front. The other is having long 5 star type CBs that can play alone and allow LBs to go hunt..

Excellent post. I think you’re absolutely right. In Saban’s 1st year at Bama, he responded to a reporter by saying, “we’re going to take our big, strong and fast players and beat your small, strong and fast players all day long.” Bama recruits a specific body type. All Bama players have thick cores. You won’t see them recruiting small guys with thin butts and legs.

Bama is 3 deep in all-Americans at every position. Having a great QBis key. We have a very good staff now, but have a lot of catching up to do in recruiting.

 

[Evergrenevol]

Took Kirby Smart 2 to get to the NC.

Correct. They already had great players, bit now they have a great staff with a great system that mirrors Bama. He’s had 2 great recruiting classes. They recruited a GREAT QB who started by beating out a 5* QB.

 

[HokieVol]

We as a fan base need to be patient with Pruitt as he builds and molds this team. I give him 3 years til we start seeing a result comparable with his recruiting. Next year may be a rough one again imo, year 2 I say 7-5 after the players learn his system and his way of doing things.

 

[HooahVol]

Correct. They already had great players, bit now they have a great staff with a great system that mirrors Bama. He’s had 2 great recruiting classes. They recruited a GREAT QB who started by beating out a 5* QB.

Good point. I am very concerned people are going to get upset if we are not in the playoffs in 2 years because of Smart but it really is comparing apples to Big Oranges (see what I did there). We already had a pretty weak team (look at our record against SEC teams as proof) and the better players from that team have left for the most part. Considering Pruitt only had about 2 weeks to put this class together I am betting it is a good 4 years before we get to Atlanta.

 

[overseasorange2]

Butch says 7

You mean that if we would have waited just 2 more years CBJ would have had us in the NCGlol:

 

[RollerVol]

Bout tree fiddy

tru dat

GO VOLS!

 

[overseasorange2]

Good point. I am very concerned people are going to get upset if we are not in the playoffs in 2 years because of Smart but it really is comparing apples to Big Oranges (see what I did there). We already had a pretty weak team (look at our record against SEC teams as proof) and the better players from that team have left for the most part. Considering Pruitt only had about 2 weeks to put this class together I am betting it is a good 4 years before we get to Atlanta.

Does anybody really believe that UGA would be in the NCG if they did not have Chubb and Michel. These two players did what was best for the team (Not going to the NFL), a rarity these days. Just think if we still had AK and JH this year and JM and CBJ did not blow Dobbs redshirt.:whistling:

In any case, I hate UGA, so roll tide:sick: