How many years will it take

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How many years will it take before CJP has the type players and depth that it will take to have a defense capable of what Alabamas defense did last night? It isn't just the starting 11, I believe you almost have to be 3 deep in places and certainly 2 deep with players whose skill set matches that defense.. I say 2020 season before it becomes somewhat noticeable and 2021 to really see it.. Personally I just don't think its about teaching and learning a new defensive scheme. Its about proper body types and skill sets and then having 4 and 5 star talent with said bodies and skill sets. Not many 3-4 players on this roster, they were recruited for a 4 man base front. The other is having long 5 star type CBs that can play alone and allow LBs to go hunt..
 
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Nocleats said:
How many years will it take before CJP has the type players and depth that it will take to have a defense capable of what Alabamas defense did last night? It isn't just the starting 11, I believe you almost have to be 3 deep in places and certainly 2 deep with players whose skill set matches that defense.. I say 2020 season before it becomes somewhat noticeable and 2021 to really see it.. Personally I just don't think its about teaching and learning a new defensive scheme. Its about proper body types and skill sets and then having 4 and 5 star talent with said bodies and skill sets. Not many 3-4 players on this roster, they were recruited for a 4 man base front. The other is having long 5 star type CBs that can play alone and allow LBs to go hunt..
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Good points. It is as you said, all about matching the athletes to his plans/designs and building depth at all positions. And this will take at least a couple recruiting classes and big game experience for those new recruits. But give Pruitt 2-3 years and he will have Tennessee back in the "feared" tier, I have no doubt.
 
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Nocleats said:
How many years will it take before CJP has the type players and depth that it will take to have a defense capable of what Alabamas defense did last night? It isn't just the starting 11, I believe you almost have to be 3 deep in places and certainly 2 deep with players whose skill set matches that defense.. I say 2020 season before it becomes somewhat noticeable and 2021 to really see it.. Personally I just don't think its about teaching and learning a new defensive scheme. Its about proper body types and skill sets and then having 4 and 5 star talent with said bodies and skill sets. Not many 3-4 players on this roster, they were recruited for a 4 man base front. The other is having long 5 star type CBs that can play alone and allow LBs to go hunt..
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Next year worries me the most because CJP is introducing a new system. He will need to get rid of the "deadwood" or players who will not buy into the system. CJP, like you said, will need time to recruit his type of players. Last, players need at least one year to learn the system.

Good news is we are getting back to smash mouth SEC football! I am wishing for a bowl game next year and even if we don't get there, as long as I see a competitive spirit I will be happy. I think 2019 will be the year when you start seeing a big change.

I have a gut feeling good days are ahead and we are finally on the right road to get there!

GO VOLS!
 
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I was thinking look at Penn St in 2012. They were in far worse condition post Sandusky than Vols are now. O'Brien's resume, at the time, was comparable to CJP. PSU still managed to go 8-4 and 7-5. Some hopefully this yr we will be no worse than 7-5. 9 wins in 2019. SEC East title in 2020.
 
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Next year worries me the most because CJP is introducing a new system. He will need to get rid of the "deadwood" or players who will not buy into the system. CJP, like you said, will need time to recruit his type of players. Last, players need at least one year to learn the system.

Good news is we are getting back to smash mouth SEC football! I am wishing for a bowl game next year and even if we don't get there, as long as I see a competitive spirit I will be happy. I think 2019 will be the year when you start seeing a big change.

I have a gut feeling good days are ahead and we are finally on the right road to get there!

GO VOLS!
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Agree , however, There is A LOT MORE TO IT than just learning a new system.. 4-3 LBs typically are built much differently than 3- 4 LBs, not even close. And the DT is a completely different type body type than a DT in a 4-3 type.. Its not about learning the system or effort.. Kongbo could possibly be built for a DE in the 3-4 but Taylor would probably have to go to LB school and move back to outside LB. Those kinds of things make me think this is a 4 year project, and I wonder if fans will be patient?
 
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when half the team is sportin dreadlocks we'll be championship bound.Seems to me there's something to it.Maybe it's swagger idk
 
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Why is everybody so envious of Alabama? I have no desire to be the University of Alabama at Knoxville. Let's do our own thing. Screw them and Georgia too. We should have thrown the house at Chip Kelly and Scott Frost.

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I personally feel we have the talent now to compete. We simply had a garbage coach. Too many talented players being misused or not used at all. Pruitt won't let that happen.
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Maybe, but the talent we have on the DLine is not young, and will graduate soon. We will need a good 3 years to shore that up and then another 2 to get stable across the defense with depth.

To get the type of talented depth that Bama has now (3rd string as good as any starters in the nation), it will most likely take a solid 7 years.
 
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I see a lot of variables in this transition. one is if we will see the evidence of coaching mal-practice. Tyler Byrd on the offense isn't exactly crazy unless, of coarse, you put him on offense and throw to him at the most, once a game. That's just plain stupid. Then there are some observers that believe McKenzie would be more natural at OG.

I've come to believe that an aggressive/attacking style, instead of a read & react will be more suitable for o-line. In my playing days I was always told that if I think too much about getting injured I would be the most prone for injury. less thinking, more reaction.
Finesse is more for skill positions, that's why they call them skill positions.

then there is the question of what we're getting back. Lets be honest, after two seasons of unprecedented injury, do we really know? We haven't seen Darrin Kirkland healthy since the first game of 2016. Will we have C. Hall back (huge question for the o-line)How many follow conventional wisdom about recovering from knee surgery? (think Nick Chubb,s first season back last year and Nick Chubb this year.) This will be Tuttle,s second season back from surgery. There isn,t many we can look at as known commodities but between those recovering and the up and coming new comers, we'll just have to see how this team is restructured.

Then there is attitude. How much attrition? Can't possibly know. I can only hope that the pain of last season has a more lasting impression on the young men than anything disagreeable from the new staff. no idea, it's college football. I guess it would be boring if everything was predictable and we knew what was going to happen. We wouldn't be fans.
 
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Nocleats said:
How many years will it take before CJP has the type players and depth that it will take to have a defense capable of what Alabamas defense did last night? It isn't just the starting 11, I believe you almost have to be 3 deep in places and certainly 2 deep with players whose skill set matches that defense.. I say 2020 season before it becomes somewhat noticeable and 2021 to really see it.. Personally I just don't think its about teaching and learning a new defensive scheme. Its about proper body types and skill sets and then having 4 and 5 star talent with said bodies and skill sets. Not many 3-4 players on this roster, they were recruited for a 4 man base front. The other is having long 5 star type CBs that can play alone and allow LBs to go hunt..
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He’ll get 3 years to prove he’s the guy. However, we’ll know if he’s the man by year 2....if he doesn’t win 9 games by year 2, SEC history since 1992 tells us he’ll never win an SEC title. I sure hope he’s the guy.
 
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Great coaches have won big in year two. But it’s a pretty big mess here. If he’s winning big in year 3 then awesome. The defense should take a maximum of 3 years to get depth and in top shape imo.
 
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Avoid the gorilla in the room, which is the unreasonable academic standard that TN applies to athletes. How long will it be? Try never, if you're thinking about the playoffs, unless they expand it to 64 teams. Pruitt has no control over that; Fulmer may have contributed to causing it. No matter, it's ingrained now. We are doing pretty well with one arm and one leg tied behind our collective back.
 
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