How many wins or Fahr CBJ

How many wins or Fahr CBJ

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#326
#326
johnrlansford said:
You are proving my point, you want to pull only time at current school, which isn't a fair comparison since Butch had a greater climb from the bottom than Mullen had.
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That's not true. Mullen went from UF's OC to MSU. CBJ had two previous stops at lower level schools that Kelly had turned into championship contenders.

And as I pointed out before, you can't take his record at a lower level school and compare it to what a coach has done in the SEC West. They simply do not correspond to each other at all.

A coach is judged on career wins or A side by side comaprison over the same period. You want the #s to say what you are trying to prove not what they really say!
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The SEC and the Big East/MAC are completely different worlds.

Percentages include all the data not just the data that you want to include in your agenda...Percentages are being manipulated by your time frame requirements.
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That's an interesting accusation. You want data that doesn't correspond to the level of competition Jones has now to be included... to support your agenda.

Butch Jones has won more in his career than Mullen and will prove to be a better coach in the long run and I am sure if he turns a corner this year, you'll jump right on the other side of the argument and forget wonder why you ever doubted him...lol
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I'd love to see him become a great coach at UT... but to date he has not proven he's a better coach than Mullen. In fact if you consider that Jones appears to have gotten significantly better talent than Mullen over the past 4 years and plays in a weaker division... you could say he hasn't proven to be as good.

You can turn the #s all you want but as a head coach Butch has been better against the competition he has faced!....that is a fact not data can prove otherwise.
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Go use some of the power rankings and then reevaluate what Jones' wins at CMU and Cincy mean. He simply didn't play good football teams.
 
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sjt18 said:
There is a big chasm between "should" and will. I don't entirely disagree with you... but he'll be good for at least one more year with 8-4 and probably 7-5. I definitely think he should be gone at 7-5... but I doubt it.
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I definitely think 7-5 gets him fired. 8-4? That may depend on how the season plays out.
 
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sjt18 said:
I feel sorry for Mullen except on payday. I think he's a pretty good coach. But he coaches at the most disadvantaged program in the strongest division in CFB. They're the 2nd school in Mississippi that generally has to scrap with Southern Miss and other mid-majors for many of their recruits. UT even under Dooley got some blue chip players then rounded out classes with 3* players who were hoped to be flying under the radar or good project investments. That's pretty much all MSU gets... ever. In the 4 years prior to Mullen, Rivals ranked their classes 10th or 11th every year. Mullen has pretty much been range bound since taking over between a Rivals avg of around 2.9 and 3.1 stars.

It would be easy just to say he's a bad recruiter but you have to consider the competition he faces and what he has to sell.... cowbells and one of the smallest stadiums in the SEC. Even Prescott was a 3* with a relatively weak offer list.

If you are the MSU coach, you either find diamonds in the rough or you're polishing coal.
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I just think that if the preception of Mullen was high in college football he would have been plucked from Starkville already. Penn State passed on him, Oregon Passed on him and So did Florida, all but Penn State got less accomplished coaches. I don't see any schools trying to get Mullen, I agree he ciould end up being a prett good coach, But i wouldn't trade him for Butch simply because he is an unknown. I don't believe he would surpass what Butch is and will be able to do here, he may be a lateral but i think we only fire Butch for a definite upgrade, not someone who isn't a sure thing! JMO:)
 
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johnrlansford said:
I just think that if the preception of Mullen was high in college football he would have been plucked from Starkville already. Penn State passed on him, Oregon Passed on him and So did Florida, all but Penn State got less accomplished coaches. I don't see any schools trying to get Mullen, I agree he ciould end up being a prett good coach, But i wouldn't trade him for Butch simply because he is an unknown. I don't believe he would surpass what Butch is and will be able to do here, he may be a lateral but i think we only fire Butch for a definite upgrade, not someone who isn't a sure thing! JMO:)
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Not sure who said they'd be excited about trading Mullen for Jones. I would think that was a pretty risky move in the sense of not getting a likely upgrade.

Mullen's best path is probably to leave MSU for the NFL or a high profile coordinator job then try to get a better gig. Whether he's better or worse than Jones... a "Nick Saban" being held back by his MSU or just an average coach doing average things... it isn't likely he'll get a better gig.

Personally, I think that UF chose someone who may be worse than Mullen. And that's a good thing if so.

I couldn't see him being a great fit at any CFB program in the northeast or west. Maybe the Midwest... but he's a personality fit for the south.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Your zealous desire for CBJ to have a better winning percentage at UT than he actually does, seems to be affecting your mathematical skills.

You should go back and review using percentages. The amount of time either of them have spent at their schools only increases the available data set range, it doesn't affect the percentage in which either of them have won at their respective schools; winning more games than losing is the only thing that's going to affect the percentage.
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Butch is 1 game behind Mullen in his current percentage. At a place he had to completely rebuild Mullen hasn't done anything outside of what every coach in Starkville has ever done. The highest he ever finished was 2nd in his division he only did that 1 time, other than that the highest he finished is 4th. Give me a break, you can trade one mediocre coach for another but I have to disagree. Mullen isn't a better coach than Butch considering the state fo Tennessee football when Butch arrived. At best he is an even trade, I am not sure he could have done as well rebuilding the program.
 
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Just so everybody is in the know, had Mullen not had Prescott to bomb out in '14, MSU was fixing to let him go.

He rode him again the next year to lesser success then flamed out last year.

Mullen has this year and next to pull MSU back up or he's gone as well.
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
Just so everybody is in the know, had Mullen not had Prescott to bomb out in '14, MSU was fixing to let him go.

He rode him again the next year to lesser success then flamed out last year.

Mullen has this year and next to pull MSU back up or he's gone as well.
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Then Tennessee will hire him and everything will be like back to the 90s again...I can't wait!!!

Right BeardedVol?:)
 
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BeardedVol said:
MSU seems to disagree with you.
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MSU has done such a great job over the years at hiring coaches and all.

Maybe they just know they can't get better...The have plateaud with Mullen!

But they are content with being 4-5th in the SECW Tennessee isn't even content being 2nd in the SECE, after being a midlevel to bottom feeder in the East for 10 years.:)
 
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Burger said:
The buy out this year is 6 million dollars, after February, it goes down to four mil. The buy out has an offsetting clause, so we will even pay him less!
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That still works in Butch's favor, who are we going to hire after February? All the Top Coaches are already hired where they are going to be, by then we'll get a lateral move at best not an upgrade!

He is here until after 2018 season, even if he's 7-5. :)
 
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Weird.

There area a few posters on both sides (Negas/pumpers) that their posts seem to imply they hope Butch fails, just so they can be right. I know that's not really the case, but it just seems if Butch were to go 7-5, there would be a few that would be happy, just so they could say "see, I told you he wouldn't win 8..hahaha". Then the other guy is saying "haha, yea but he didn't get fired,:rock:"


:crazy:
 
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Behr said:
Weird.

There area a few posters on both sides (Negas/pumpers) that their posts seem to imply they hope Butch fails, just so they can be right. I know that's not really the case, but it just seems if Butch were to go 7-5, there would be a few that would be happy, just so they could say "see, I told you he wouldn't win 8..hahaha". Then the other guy is saying "haha, yea but he didn't get fired,:rock:"


:crazy:
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I personally think that we win 9-10 regular season games, i think that this team with no expectations of winning the SECE finally seals the deal and goes to Atlanta.

I think that Butch will be here a while and I believe that many on here would be very disapointed if he did win 9-10 so then it would come down to we should have been 11-1.

The haters will hate no matter what Butch does with Team 121!:)
 
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johnrlansford said:
I personally think that we win 9-10 regular season games, i think that this team with no expectations of winning the SECE finally seals the deal and goes to Atlanta.

I think that Butch will be here a while and I believe that many on here would be very disapointed if he did win 9-10 so then it would come down to we should have been 11-1.

The haters will hate no matter what Butch does with Team 121!:)
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I get that and wasn't trying to start anything, I just thought it was kinda funny.

I agree, some will hate no matter what, but I think that "some" is a very small group. I also think that if Butch hadn't screwed the pooch with Vandy and SC, for whatever reasons, there wouldn't be as many of those "some".
 
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