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[johnrlansford]

Just names? Ok, here's a coach from every P5 conference, who would could have gone 10-2 (6-2) or better in the SECe with team 120.

SEC - Dan Mullen
Big 12 - Gary Patterson
ACC - Larry Fedora
B1G - Paul Chryst
PAC12 - Kyle Whittingham


It's really not that hard. All of those coaches have done equal or better cumulatively over the last 4 seasons in their conference, with considerably less talent.

Yet none of them have done it against SEC competition outside of Dan Mullen who has only won more than 9 games 1 time and only won 9 games 2 times in 9 years at MSU! This is a sad attempt to prove your point. Bottom line is no one would have won 10 games with the injuries we had last year, get real!!!

 

[volfannbama]

Only when you spew crap every other word out of your mouth! NEGAVOL!!!

Lol, straight Pee Wee Herman, 10 year old playground trash talk, congrats Sir.

 

[johnrlansford]

Lol, straight Pee Wee Herman, 10 year old playground trash talk, congrats Sir.

That was the intent, he didn't respond to my post he just asked if i yelled a lot, so he deserved a juvenile response!

 

[BeardedVol]

Yet none of them have done it against SEC competition outside of Dan Mullen who has only won more than 9 games 1 time and only won 9 games 2 times in 9 years at MSU! This is a sad attempt to prove your point. Bottom line is no one would have won 10 games with the injuries we had last year, get real!!!

Given the level competition in the SECe during 2016, every one of those coaches have played and won against equal or tougher competition in the last 4 seasons, and is arguably a better game day coach than CBJ. Trying to pretend that the SECe currently has clout on any other P5 conference/division is laughable.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Given the level competition in the SECe during 2016, every one of those coaches have played and won against equal or tougher competition in the last 4 seasons. Trying to pretend that the SECe currently has clout on any other P5 conference/division is laughable.

I'm not sure about Mullen. I don't think he's as good since Prescott left for the NFL.

 

[EweTVol]

Oh no

 

[BeardedVol]

I'm not sure about Mullen. I don't think he's as good since Prescott left for the NFL.

I agree, but his numbers before and after Prescott are comparable to CBJ's. Mullen essentially gets CBJ results with 18-35th ranked recruiting classes in the tougher division of the SEC

 

[sjt18]

Yeah well, we are not a Dooley led team. Cmon man, im no CBJ fan, butbhe aint Dooley. For the most part we are at least competative and fans will pay to see that. If not, let me get them tix please.

The point was only that fans DO influence decisions about coaches through their attendance and interest. It wasn't a direct comparison of the two as coaches.

 

[BeecherVol]

Yet none of them have done it against SEC competition outside of Dan Mullen who has only won more than 9 games 1 time and only won 9 games 2 times in 9 years at MSU! This is a sad attempt to prove your point. Bottom line is no one would have won 10 games with the injuries we had last year, get real!!!

Where is he coaching?

 

[johnrlansford]

I agree, but his numbers before and after Prescott are comparable to CBJ's. Mullen essentially gets CBJ results with 18-35th ranked recruiting classes in the tougher division of the SEC

2009 Mississippi State 5–7 3–5 T–4th (Western)
2010 Mississippi State 9–4 4–4 5th (Western)
2011 Mississippi State 7–6 2–6 5th (Western)
2012 Mississippi State 8–5 4–4 4th (Western)
2013 Mississippi State 7–6 3–5 T–5th (Western)
2014 Mississippi State 10–3 6–2 2nd (Western)
2015 Mississippi State 9–4 4–4 5th (Western)
2016 Mississippi State 6–7 3–5 T–5th (Western)

Mullen is 29-35 in conference that isn't that remarkable by your own standard, he only had a above .500 conference record 1 season in 9. He has also never won his division, a accomplishment also held against Butch by you! His records aren't better than Butch's as a body of work. Not sure what you have been smoking today but, I'd keep Butch over Mullen!!!

Dan Mullen would have been fired after the 2013 season if this was his record at Tennessee, maybe earlier.

 

[BeardedVol]

2009 Mississippi State 5–7 3–5 T–4th (Western)
2010 Mississippi State 9–4 4–4 5th (Western)
2011 Mississippi State 7–6 2–6 5th (Western)
2012 Mississippi State 8–5 4–4 4th (Western)
2013 Mississippi State 7–6 3–5 T–5th (Western)
2014 Mississippi State 10–3 6–2 2nd (Western)
2015 Mississippi State 9–4 4–4 5th (Western)
2016 Mississippi State 6–7 3–5 T–5th (Western)

Mullen is 29-35 in conference that isn't that remarkable by your own standard, he only had a above .500 conference record 1 season in 9. He has also never won his division, a accomplishment also held against Butch by you! His records aren't better than Butch's as a body of work. Not sure what you have been smoking today but, I'd keep Butch over Mullen!!!

Dan Mullen would have been fired after the 2013 season if this was his record at Tennessee, maybe earlier.

Dan Mullen: 29-35, .453 SEC%, still has a 6 win season in the SECw with recruiting classes in the 18th-35th ranked range

Butch Jones: 14-18, .438 SEC%, peaked at a 5 win season in the SECe, with recruiting classes ranging from 4th-24th (2/4 bring inside the top 10).

Do you want to see a comparison of UT and MSU's historical win percentages as well?

Mullen does equal or better than CBJ, in a harder division, with considerably less talent.

 

[johnrlansford]

Dan Mullen: 29-35, .453 SEC%, still has a 6 win season in the SECw with recruiting classes in the 18th-35th ranked range

Butch Jones: 14-18, .438 SEC%, peaked at a 5 win season in the SECe, with recruiting classes ranging from 4th-24th (2/4 bring inside the top 10).

Do you want to see a comparison of UT and MSU's historical win percentages as well?

Mullen does equal or better than CBJ, in a harder division, with considerably less talent.

Dan Mullen never won 6 conference games until year 6, so Butch gets 2 more years right? Do you want to see the teams that MSU actually beat to attain that record, nothing to be happy about.

Is it Butch Jones fault that Dan Mullen can't recruit better? So what makes you think he would recruit better at Tennessee?

Dan Mullen hasn't proven to be that great of a coach outside of the years with Dak Prescott!!!

 

[EweTVol]

Mullen had all his success in his first few years

 

[EweTVol]

At least it seems like

 

[BeecherVol]

Dan Mullen never won 6 conference games until year 6, so Butch gets 2 more years right? Do you want to see the teams that MSU actually beat to attain that record, nothing to be happy about.

Is it Butch Jones fault that Dan Mullen can't recruit better? So what makes you think he would recruit better at Tennessee?

Dan Mullen hasn't proven to be that great of a coach outside of the years with Dak Prescott!!!

"Starkville" the Mecca of college football.
Who has recruited to State? They re Kentucky in the better division.

Dooley pulled top 20 classes sitting in his office in Knoxville. And everybody knew he sucked the day he walked on campus

 

[BeardedVol]

Dan Mullen never won 6 conference games until year 6, so Butch gets 2 more years right? Do you want to see the teams that MSU actually beat to attain that record, nothing to be happy about.

Is it Butch Jones fault that Dan Mullen can't recruit better? So what makes you think he would recruit better at Tennessee?

Dan Mullen hasn't proven to be that great of a coach outside of the years with Dak Prescott!!!

So, Dan Mullen gets the same results out of his 18-35th ranked classes, as Butch gets out of his predominantly top 15 classes, and the problem is with Dan Mullen?:crazy:

Staggering level of cognitive dissonance on display in your posts today.

 

[KBVol]

Dan Mullen never won 6 conference games until year 6, so Butch gets 2 more years right? Do you want to see the teams that MSU actually beat to attain that record, nothing to be happy about.

Is it Butch Jones fault that Dan Mullen can't recruit better? So what makes you think he would recruit better at Tennessee?

Dan Mullen hasn't proven to be that great of a coach outside of the years with Dak Prescott!!!

So Mullen doesn't get any credit for recruiting, signing and developing Prescott? Thought that was the responsibility of collegiate head coaches and the better they did those things, the more they won and the more credit they got. Is this where I also throw in that Jones hasn't won more than 7 games with Dobbs as his starter? And does he not get credit for Dobbs?

PS-!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BeecherVol]

State was the draw for Prescott. QBU.

 

[sjt18]

I'm not sure Mullen would be a better recruiter at a different school... but he's a pretty decent coach on gameday. He hasn't had a ton of talent to work with at MSU... and probably won't.

 

[volfannbama]

The point was only that fans DO influence decisions about coaches through their attendance and interest. It wasn't a direct comparison of the two as coaches.

Right, but nobody is boycotting a 9 win team. One guy mentioned it last year and he was slaughtered on here, by everyone.

But if you feel the need to boycott, ill take 4 lower bowl seats if you got em...to any game. Im no CBJ fan and think he is gone in 2 years (solely because i dont think he is a very good coach and cant get out of his own way) but Tennessee football has 1% to do with the current coach and 99% to do with the players on the field....thats who i support.

 

[IknoxvolsI]

Not as many fans for an 8 win regular season team. Now, win 12 games and fans come out of the sticks!

Never saw as many Vandy fans as I did five years ago! More fans for an 8 win season versus 4/5 win season.

 

[Behr]

Not as many fans for an 8 win regular season team. Now, win 12 games and fans come out of the sticks!

Never saw as many Vandy fans as I did five years ago! More fans for an 8 win season versus 4/5 win season.

I see that with most teams, especially living down here with the gators. See, the real fans won't support the team if it's not winning, they stay home and concentrate on other things. They don't give a crap about the team if they aren't winning. You only see the fans that worship the coach and have settled for mediocrity.

 

[johnrlansford]

"Starkville" the Mecca of college football.
Who has recruited to State? They re Kentucky in the better division.

Dooley pulled top 20 classes sitting in his office in Knoxville. And everybody knew he sucked the day he walked on campus

So Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, or Jimbo Couldn't recruit well at Starkville?

Top Recruiters Recruit well regardless of the location!

Mullen isn't a household name in recruiting is why he doesn't recruit well in Starkville, I don't think his recruiting would improve enough to justify a change at Tennessee with Mullen as our coach.

No evidence tells me that he would be an improvement for the Tennessee program if you have some I would love to see it.

 

[johnrlansford]

So, Dan Mullen gets the same results out of his 18-35th ranked classes, as Butch gets out of his predominantly top 15 classes, and the problem is with Dan Mullen?:crazy:

Staggering level of cognitive dissonance on display in your posts today.

There really isn't that much difference in a 15th class and a 30th class, Mainly because of #s.

Butch recruited the 14 class i think with 33 players it wouldn't have been a top 5 class if it had only been 25 players because most recruiting services only average your top 25 recruits.

Nick Saban wouldn't have any trouble recruiting to Starkville, or Meyer, or Fisher. Come on if Mullen was an elite recruiter which he isn't he would be able to recruit better at Starkville!

 

[johnrlansford]

So Mullen doesn't get any credit for recruiting, signing and developing Prescott? Thought that was the responsibility of collegiate head coaches and the better they did those things, the more they won and the more credit they got. Is this where I also throw in that Jones hasn't won more than 7 games with Dobbs as his starter? And does he not get credit for Dobbs?

PS-!!!!!!!!!!!

I give Mullen full credit for Prescott, but he really hasn't developed much outside of the Prescott years. Mullen has a 9 year sample and it took him until year 6 to get that player development. Butch did it in 2 years with Dobbs. Sodoesn't that make Butch a better recruiter, evaluator of talent, and developer of talent?

Butch's smaller sample size looks better than Mullen's. There really isn't a comparison and I for one wouldn't trade Butch for Mullen.