How many wins or Fahr CBJ

How many wins or Fahr CBJ

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#226
#226
I think the funniest thing about this whole situation is that we actually have fans that truly believe our AD will hire a proven coach that's better than Butch. Have you not seen our history with hiring coaches?

Of course I don't think Butch is the answer but I don't have any reason to be confident that our AD will hire anyone better. They'll go the safe & cheap route again.
 
#227
#227
VolFreakJosh said:
I think the funniest thing about this whole situation is that we actually have fans that truly believe our AD will hire a proven coach that's better than Butch. Have you not seen our history with hiring coaches?

Of course I don't think Butch is the answer but I don't have any reason to be confident that our AD will hire anyone better. They'll go the safe & cheap route again.
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So your answer is to keep CBJ forever, and just accept our places as 3rd or 4th in the SECe?:ermm:
 
#228
#228
8-4 would be a miracle this season and that would mean Butch actually won some games he should have lost which hasnt happened yet.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So your answer is to keep CBJ forever, and just accept our places as 3rd or 4th in the SECe?:ermm:
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No. I'm saying that our AD has the tendency to screw up this next potential hire again. Like I said, I would not put it past them if they hired a coach who would produce worse or the exact same results we already have with Butch.

Unless they're willing to dump a truck load of cash at Harbaugh, Meyer, or Dabo's door step, we'll be settling for the cheap hires that'll produce the same results we have with Butch.

By all means, fire the guy but don't expect me to be jumping up & down with joy over this next coaching search.
 
#230
#230
BeardedVol said:
So your answer is to keep CBJ forever, and just accept our places as 3rd or 4th in the SECe?:ermm:
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I think its a valid concern actually even if you think Jones is mediocre, which I do.

UT has to get more organized and unified from the AD - Admin - Boosters. Until it does you will get mediocre to Dooley.
 
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#231
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Longsufferingvol said:
8-4 would be a miracle this season and that would mean Butch actually won some games he should have lost which hasnt happened yet.
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Eh. Theres not much on the schedule that screams miracle at 4 Ls.

Outside of the west opponents the east division is littered with questions.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
No. I'm saying that our AD has the tendency to screw up this next potential hire again. Like I said, I would not put it past them if they hired a coach who would produce worse or the exact same results we already have with Butch.

Unless they're willing to dump a truck load of cash at Harbaugh, Meyer, or Dabo's door step, we'll be settling for the cheap hires that'll produce the same results we have with Butch.

By all means, fire the guy but don't expect me to be jumping up & down with joy over this next coaching search.
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Currie's been on the job for less than six months, how do you already know that he's going to be terrible at hiring football coaches at UT?

There are plenty of coaches, even guys who would normally suck in the SEC, who even with the injuries we sustained, would have gone 10-2 at the worst with the team we had last year. Given the state of the division, it wasn't a very tall order.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Currie's been on the job for less than six months, how do you already know that he's going to be terrible at hiring football coaches at UT?

There are plenty of coaches, even guys who would normally suck in the SEC, who even with the injuries we sustained, would have gone 10-2 at the worst with the team we had last year. Given the state of the division, it wasn't a very tall order.
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I'm willing to eat crow if I'm wrong but the way our AD has been running the last several years, I'm not confident that we'll hire the right guy next time. Just my opinion.
 
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#235
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VolsnRavens said:
Anything but making the CFP is a firing offense, he's been here long enough

10-2 with a bowl loss and do not win the East is a firing offense.

10-2 with a bowl win but do not win the East is a firing offense

9-3 with a bowl win. Not fired but on the hot seat for many of the VN folks

8-4 with a bowl win Hot Seat from UT

Anything less than 8 wins.....He gone.
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NONE of this gets him fired, period!!! Seat gets hot at 7-5 but no firing without a huge scandal!!!
 
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BeardedVol said:
Currie's been on the job for less than six months, how do you already know that he's going to be terrible at hiring football coaches at UT?

There are plenty of coaches, even guys who would normally suck in the SEC, who even with the injuries we sustained, would have gone 10-2 at the worst with the team we had last year. Given the state of the division, it wasn't a very tall order.
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Maybe in your opinion, but none of this is fact!!!:)
 
#239
#239
If CBJ is let go before Chip Kelly has a new gig in coaching he WILL be the name everyone wants. The new Gruden.
 
#240
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Fatman Photos said:
Names?
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He spews crap like this with no valid proof all the time.

He probably thinks he could have coached Tennessee to 10-2 last year, because he lives in a fantasy world!!!:)

A healthy team could have won 10 games but not with all of the injuries we had last year!!!
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
If CBJ is let go before Chip Kelly has a new gig in coaching he WILL be the name everyone wants. The new Gruden.
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Chip Kelly didn't even win a Championship at Oregon what makes people think he can win one in the SEC at Tennessee where he has to play Alabama every year!!!

This is crazy talk now!!!:)
 
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Fatman Photos said:
Names?
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Just names? Ok, here's a coach from every P5 conference, who would could have gone 10-2 (6-2) or better in the SECe with team 120.

SEC - Dan Mullen
Big 12 - Gary Patterson
ACC - Larry Fedora
B1G - Paul Chryst
PAC12 - Kyle Whittingham


It's really not that hard. All of those coaches have done equal or better cumulatively over the last 4 seasons in their conference, with considerably less talent.
 
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#243
#243
VFL-82-JP said:
Here's a modest proposal for a set of responses that might better fit the breadth of opinions of this crowd:

-- Fire him no matter what, even if he wins it all, I just don't like him!
-- Anything less than a 15-0 national championship, and he gone.
-- SEC championship saves his job, anything less and let's cut bait.
-- He's gotta win the East. That's the floor for staying another year.
-- As long as he matches the last two seasons (8-4 regular season), he gets another year.
-- I won't like it, but as long as he's above 6-6, he won't be fired.
-- There is no way Butch gets fired in 2017, short of a scandal.

Something like that. If you want EVERYone to get engaged.
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this.. realistically 8-9 wins (prebowl) is a great season for us with the losses we have to replace to the draft. 10 regular season wins with our schedule would be overachieving.

I don't see why people always think teams exist in a vacuum. Its like if a coach is good/great he should win 10+ games every season and that is just not true. There are factors outside of your team that determine the outcomes also.Yeah a good coach with decent talent playing against average teams with average talent will produce results that are gaudy.. That's not true in the SEC where outside of Alabama there is quite a bit more parity and even the basement dwellers here would be competitive in almost any other conference. People make fun and look down on teams like Vandy and UK without realizing that in most other conferences they would be second tier teams at worst.

We will go to a bowl that is enough to keep his job. The only scenario I see him being fired is a losing season, a huge scandal or we barely squeak into a bowl with a loss to a team like UK or Vandy. Yes, even though I respect them more than most, it is ingrained in most UT fans/Boosters heads we should beat them every year. Those are always the most dangerous teams on our schedule in my mind because they have the little brother complex when they play us. We are their florida/Bama. We are the big brother they have to beat, and they will almost always bring their A+ game against us.


TLDR version Butch is our coach stop being silly.
 
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sjt18 said:
So.. you argue with me for saying that too many fans are OK with mediocrity... even taking a few personal shots... then tell me to "lighten up" because it isn't important if UT is mediocre or not?

Can you "enjoy" the Vols losing or being 2nd tier?

The end of Dooley proved that if the product is bad many people... maybe not you... will find something else to do with their time and money.
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Didn't insult you once, didn't say anything about my feelings being hurt like you suggested in the other thread either.

I'll try to shorten it even further, I said you always sound like you believe one thing and I believe the opposite. So I see no point in debate. That definitely isn't an insult and you REALLY need to lighten up.

As far as this thread, I started to respond to this question with "that's not what I'm saying". And as a several of us have discussed on here, quite frankly, it's a boring schtick at this point.

I want to win, if we do not, I choose not throw tantrums and will still watch the team the next week (in person when possible). If you choose not to because we have a 9 win season (or any reason), that's you're perogative and I have mine.
 
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johnrlansford said:
He spews crap like this with no valid proof all the time.

He probably thinks he could have coached Tennessee to 10-2 last year, because he lives in a fantasy world!!!:)

A healthy team could have won 10 games but not with all of the injuries we had last year!!!
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Do you yell as much in real life as you do in your posts, or does your zeal only manifest itself to the detriment if Volnation?
 
#246
#246
sjt18 said:
If I recall correctly, attendance fell off by about 10-20K in Dooley's last year. Some was protest. Some was people just decided not to pay that kind of money or waste their time to watch a bad team. TV likely paralleled that trend.
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Yeah well, we are not a Dooley led team. Cmon man, im no CBJ fan, butbhe aint Dooley. For the most part we are at least competative and fans will pay to see that. If not, let me get them tix please.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Just names? Ok, here's a coach from every P5 conference, who would could have gone 10-2 (6-2) or better in the SECe with team 120.

SEC - Dan Mullen
Big 12 - Gary Patterson
ACC - Larry Fedora
B1G - Paul Chryst
PAC12 - Kyle Whittingham


It's really not that hard. All of those coaches have done equal or better cumulatively over the last 4 seasons in their conference, with considerably less talent.
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You're reaching
 
#248
#248
It doesn't matter about Dooley! Any of his players. Any of the recruits. Weather. QB situation. Other teams talent or skill. And, it certainley doesn't have anything to do with coaching!!

It's all about the injuries! It will only take one injury from any starting position to derail the entire season!

Of course, the derailment could occur if we have a player to quit as well.
 
#249
#249
IknoxvolsI said:
It doesn't matter about Dooley! Any of his players. Any of the recruits. Weather. QB situation. Other teams talent or skill. And, it certainley doesn't have anything to do with coaching!!

It's all about the injuries! It will only take one injury from any starting position to derail the entire season!

Of course, the derailment could occur if we have a player to quit as well.
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Ah, there you are, back to the IknoxvolsI we all know. You must've just eaten a Snickers bar.
 
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