How many games do we get to play before season is cancelled?

[TrumpedUpVol]

Do you really think the university administration is going to take the position that it is not safe for the general student population to be on campus, but the football players have to be there? I don't see that happening. It blows up any kind of notion that the football players are anything other than employees. For better or worse, college athletics are based on the premise that the players are "student-athletes." They are supposed to be part of the overall student population. Not some kind of semi-pro attachment to the college.

Yes, actually. UNC has essentially closed its dormitories to most undergraduates and shifted to virtual classes, yet they're resuming football practice tomorrow. I get what you're saying about the blurred lines, but campus isn't solely reserved for student-athletes and international students/people with extenuating circumstances are free to remain in the dorms... except, most likely, parents of freshmen would rather receive a refund on room and board than have their kids more or less sequestered on a dead campus.

Student-athletes are of course free to opt out if they so choose, making this strategy pretty effective in terms of maximizing the likelihood of a complete season.

 

[Gandalf]

Not sure if you guys realize but several of our players already have or have had Covid, IIRC Pruitt's recent presser. They are quarantining them and moving on like nothing happened and that is likely to continue throughout the season, much like if they caught the flu. Because he did not mention it, we dont know if they are actually sick or, like almost every other healthy kid who is positive for Covid, they have no or very mild symptoms. What would worry me is someone like Chaney catching it.

 

[Volador]

In memory of Johnny Majors, the season must march forward

 

[MAUSERWERKE]

Yes, actually. UNC has essentially closed its dormitories to most undergraduates and shifted to virtual classes, yet they're resuming football practice tomorrow. I get what you're saying about the blurred lines, but campus isn't solely reserved for student-athletes and international students/people with extenuating circumstances are free to remain in the dorms... except, most likely, parents of freshmen would rather receive a refund on room and board than have their kids more or less sequestered on a dead campus.

Student-athletes are of course free to opt out if they so choose, making this strategy pretty effective in terms of maximizing the likelihood of a complete season.

Your points are well taken. Let's hope the season plays out.

 

[bigdaddy]

Not playing will cost Knox county 641million in most revenue. Playing at 25% will still lose money but it’s something. There is literally no data to support not playing the games. Attendance is a bonus but playing the games is safe

 

[chrismc1000]

Any chance those folks weren't wearing the mask properly? From what I have seen that's more likely than the mask made me sick mantra.

Then those doctors would not be following the AMA's "A Physician's Guide to COVID-19".

How to wear a cloth face mask
The CDC recommends that you wear a cloth face mask when you're around people who don't live with you and in public settings when social distancing is difficult.
Here are a few pointers for putting on and taking off a cloth mask:

• Wash or sanitize your hands before and after putting on and taking off your mask.
• Place your mask over your mouth and nose.
• Tie it behind your head or use ear loops and make sure it's snug.
• Don't touch your mask while wearing it.
• If you accidentally touch your mask, wash or sanitize your hands.
• If your mask becomes wet or dirty, switch to a clean one. Put the used mask in a sealable bag until you can wash it.
• Remove the mask by untying it or lifting off the ear loops without touching the front of the mask or your face.
• Wash your hands immediately after removing your mask.
• Regularly wash your mask with soap and water by hand or in the washing machine. It's fine to launder it with other clothes.

My tips: Don't buy cheap disposable face masks from places like Ollie's. They are called disposable mask for a reason. Most are designed for single issue. Yes you can reuse but you need to safely remove your mask, touching as little of its surface as possible, use the ear straps to remove and handle the mask. The majority of any virus particles would be on the front, so avoid touching that part of the mask.

Once the disposable mask is safely removed, place it in a convenient but safe storage spot. Johns Hopkins recommends placing masks in paper bags or other "clean receptacles" with "good ventilation" that allow the mask to air out for a couple of days. Ziploc bags work and Tupperware. Hanging it off your car's rear view mirror is not a good option.

If a mask is visibly dirty, soiled or torn, then get rid of it. Keep a supply of 3 to 5 masks, so that one could be worn while others were being aired out.

Cloth masks trap dirt and other particles which cause you to get sick. There have been several cases already. Idk why that's hard understand. Not everyone can do what you posted day in and day out. Simply put if you don't like a person that refuses to wear a mask then just stay away from them. Not hard to do

 

[chrismc1000]

Like the kind surgeons wear in the OR?

Yup and those don't last long, I was reading an article about how they are pretty much no good after 30 minutes of usage in an unsterile environment

 

[swampfoxfan]

Yup and those don't last long, I was reading an article about how they are pretty much no good after 30 minutes of usage in an unsterile environment

We just aren't going to agree, I recently had a couple heart arteries clogged requiring stints. Everyone in the OR wore a mask, not to prevent catching something from me but to prevent giving me something. So I will continue to wear a mask in public to reduce the chance of infecting someone, if you choose not to give the same consideration, that's on you.

 

[WillisWG]

Cloth masks trap dirt and other particles which cause you to get sick. Clean it There have been several cases already. Not true Idk why that's hard understand. Not everyone can do what you posted day in and day out. Not a matter of can't do more like will not do Simply put if you don't like a person that refuses to wear a mask then just stay away from them. Do us the same courtesy Not hard to do

Again I don't care whether you wear a mask or not but quit making excuse why you're not wearing one.

 

[Jeepkuntry]

I picked 3 to 4. That puts you close to November. That is typically when people begin to catch cold/flu etc. When teams have covid symptoms and have to sideline a bunch of the roster, things will go sideways.

 

[swampfoxfan]

I picked 3 to 4. That puts you close to November. That is typically when people begin to catch cold/flu etc. When teams have covid symptoms and have to sideline a bunch of the roster, things will go sideways.

will it be for symptoms or positive covid test? how long does it take to get results of test?

 

[TNnative]

The targeting rules in today's football, especially when it applies to the quarterbacks, are completely ridiculous. This coming from a former middle linebacker. However, as a fan of high powered offenses, these rules DO keep the quarterbacks on the field for more snaps. However, I do miss the days when the most feared man on the field was a hard hitting, down hill running, safety.

I get the player safety argument. But it should be addressed by coaches. Teaching better tackling techniques started at the youth leagues, and up. But they chose to institute a targeting penalty. And it is stupid. It's killing the game. It's ruined it for me. I still love the Vols, and will follow basketball if they get to play this year. But I will not watch a live game this year. I might catch a replay after reading the results, and know that penalty was not called during it. Little hope of that happening.

Don't see how you equate it to Quarterbacks though. Most of them have been called for hits on receivers, and a few on running backs. But some of the safeties you mention? Yeah, they made some games. But some of the blitzing Mike backers and fast rushing DEs sometime could make worrying about the safety a mute point.

 

[TNnative]

Listen I am a conservative and also believe covid is real but politicized. I also firmly believe if you are asked to wear a mask then you should. It only seems logical that while most masks you see people wearing will not stop all or even most of the droplets it will stop some. Spit through a screen door and see what you get. Much of it would go through but plenty hits the screen and stops there.

Someone tried that with me once. It did stop most but not all. It did not stop my fist.

 

[TNnative]

I'm impressed by your ability to never forget something that, quite simply, didn't occur.

Well, it's the internet. And it is VolNation. Kind of like being around fishermen talking about the nine pound bass they almost caught when it was most likely a 1/2 pound carp. Since he singled out the "Fox News contingent", I naturally assume he may be a fan of CNN or MSNBC. May be wrong, but I don't think so. So, consider the source.

 

[chrismc1000]

Again I don't care whether you wear a mask or not but quit making excuse why you're not wearing one.

So you want me to clean my mask every 30min? After all that's what the doctors said

 

[chrismc1000]

We just aren't going to agree, I recently had a couple heart arteries clogged requiring stints. Everyone in the OR wore a mask, not to prevent catching something from me but to prevent giving me something. So I will continue to wear a mask in public to reduce the chance of infecting someone, if you choose not to give the same consideration, that's on you.

You realize they have to wear a mask regardless if it's Chinese virus or anything else right? I only wear mask at work bc it's mandatory and I like my job. It's retarded to wear a mask then 16sec later take it off bc I have been seated at a restaurant and they are ok with it. Hell I've seen some businesses not even require it. Again just bc you feel like people should wear it doesn't make your opinion better than mine bc I feel like I don't have to wear it.

 

[TennVols12]

Exactly. And yet, you’ve still got the Fox News contingent who still believe it’s all “political.” And yes, 99% of college-age athletes would survive if infected, but there’s that 1 person out of 100 who literally suffocates in the most miserable death that I’ve ever encountered.

I’ll never forget the kid from Tuscaloosa who was infected after attending a Covid party. His last words, before intubated, were “I thought it was a hoax.”

How have you encountered the most miserable death?

 

[TnVolfanatic]

Someone tried that with me once. It did stop most but not all. It did not stop my fist.

December. I am in the medical field. Masks do NOTHING to stop the virus. It would be like spitting through a screen door that is one thousand times larger than a normal one. How much spit would that screen door stop. NONE! The virus is SO small that the porous holes in the fabric of the masks WILL NOT stop it. The only thing that will stop it is a respirator. Thats it. The N95 masks want even stop it. They are for particulates. A virus is smaller.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

Graphic: Coronavirus deaths in the U.S., per day

This is actually a good page for seeing the trend for the virus... and some other interesting stuff.

Notice that "flattening the curve"... just didn't work for densely populated states and cities.... and overwhelming medical resources was never a real threat in sparsely populated areas. IOW's, the shutdown was likely unnecessary to any degree and from an apolitical view... opening around Easter would have prevented "deaths of despair" and likely not cost any more lives by the time we sum up the year.

For those who do not think there is overcounting... and that it is somehow tethered to politics go down to the portion that shows deaths per 100,000. Only 4 states are over 100 deaths per 100,000. All are deep, deep, deep blue states. Some of that is obviously a function of population density and having their peak before medical management of the virus improved. But those things are unlikely to explain the HUGE discrepancy. Ten of the 13 states with over 50 deaths per 100K have Dem governors.

Those states have typically had the most aggressive (oppressive) responses. The story of that table is that harsh measures have not saved densely populated areas from the virus and have not had any discernible pattern of success or failure anywhere else.

Too many here will not like your facts and reasoned post given we have become the land of the enslaved and the home of the scared. I get it, China sent some scary videos of people collapsing and supposedly dying in the streets (funny how that did not happen here - informational warfare is real) and then our media fed us fear porn for weeks on end all which brainwashed too many people which led us here...

Just a little objectivity and critical thinking is all that is needed to wake everyone up, for example, let's start differentiating between dying WITH vs. OF Covid-19 (Italy studied autopsy results & determined only 12% of deaths initially classified as having been caused by C-19 were truly because of C-19).

Next, let's recognize and acknowledge that we knew back in March based on South Korea's data who is (and is not) at-risk of dying of C19, i.e., avg age of death was and still is ~79 yrs old and/or comorbidities (typically 2 or more in roughly 67% of those who are infected). This alone should have precluded certain governors from sending infected patients into nursing homes and killing tens of thousands but it did not and it has led those same politicians to aggressively govern by fiat without passing laws and impose unconstitutional responses which does not have any effect (e.g., let's pretend masks work when the science clearly says they do not). As those looking at the charts/data can tell you, the infection curve is virtually the same in any city/region/country regardless of countermeasures.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

We just aren't going to agree, I recently had a couple heart arteries clogged requiring stints. Everyone in the OR wore a mask, not to prevent catching something from me but to prevent giving me something. So I will continue to wear a mask in public to reduce the chance of infecting someone, if you choose not to give the same consideration, that's on you.

We just aren't going to agree, I recently had a couple heart arteries clogged requiring stints. Everyone in the OR wore a mask, not to prevent catching something from me but to prevent giving me something. So I will continue to wear a mask in public to reduce the chance of infecting someone, if you choose not to give the same consideration, that's on you.

Your assumption of why they are wearing masks is incorrect - masks are worn to prevent spit from getting into open wounds and to put people at ease as they assume they are being take care of and protected. Surgical masks do nothing to protect you from someone else who may be infected with an airborne virus.

 

[WillisWG]

So you want me to clean my mask every 30min? After all that's what the doctors said

Read the CDC guidelines I posted. nothing there says anything about cleaning every 30 minutes. Which Doctors are saying this? That isn't the AMA or the JAMA guidance.

7 questions patients might ask about managing risk and wearing masks

How often can I use the same mask?
Patients might be unsure of how often they can use the same mask. But “if the mask is visibly soiled,” it is a sign that it is time to get a new one, said Dr. Malani.
However, “it’s OK to wear the mask for a day or two, depending on how much you’re out and about,” she said. “If you’ve been out in the heat walking around, it’ll probably be time to remove it and wash it, so having a few masks on hand makes sense.”
The CDC offers advice on using cloth face coverings to help slow the spread of COVID-19, as well as how to make and wash masks.


I hate to repeat myself....I DON"T CARE IF YOU WEAR A MASK OR NOT, JUST QUIT MAKING (BOGUS) EXCUSES FOR NOT WEARING ONE.

 

[swampfoxfan]

Your assumption of why they are wearing masks is incorrect - masks are worn to prevent spit from getting into open wounds and to put people at ease as they assume they are being take care of and protected. Surgical masks do nothing to protect you from someone else who may be infected with an airborne virus.

as a former OR tech I can promise you are wrong, but I know there is no convincing .

 

[swampfoxfan]

December. I am in the medical field. Masks do NOTHING to stop the virus. It would be like spitting through a screen door that is one thousand times larger than a normal one. How much spit would that screen door stop. NONE! The virus is SO small that the porous holes in the fabric of the masks WILL NOT stop it. The only thing that will stop it is a respirator. Thats it. The N95 masks want even stop it. They are for particulates. A virus is smaller.

do you work in the laundry room?

 

[sjt18]

I hate to repeat myself....I DON"T CARE IF YOU WEAR A MASK OR NOT, JUST QUIT MAKING (BOGUS) EXCUSES FOR NOT WEARING ONE.

FYP

 

[chrismc1000]

Read the CDC guidelines I posted. nothing there says anything about cleaning every 30 minutes. Which Doctors are saying this? That isn't the AMA or the JAMA guidance.

7 questions patients might ask about managing risk and wearing masks

How often can I use the same mask?
Patients might be unsure of how often they can use the same mask. But “if the mask is visibly soiled,” it is a sign that it is time to get a new one, said Dr. Malani.
However, “it’s OK to wear the mask for a day or two, depending on how much you’re out and about,” she said. “If you’ve been out in the heat walking around, it’ll probably be time to remove it and wash it, so having a few masks on hand makes sense.”
The CDC offers advice on using cloth face coverings to help slow the spread of COVID-19, as well as how to make and wash masks.


I hate to repeat myself....I DON"T CARE IF YOU WEAR A MASK OR NOT, JUST QUIT MAKING (BOGUS) EXCUSES FOR NOT WEARING ONE.

Wow you realize the CDC also said masks don't help too right? Hell there was a post from a guy who works at the OSHA talking about masks and how useless they are. Then OSHA said the CDC said it was ok. This entire time the CDC has went back on what they said about this virus. It even took them months to say be 6' apart and wear a mask. You may be a sheep but I'm not and you may not like my logical thinking but that doesn't mean I have to agree to your illogical way of thinking.