How do you identify an up and coming good coach?

#51
#51
why look for an up and coming coach? Find someone with a proven track record of high performance with low quality players. Take a coach from someone like App St. Year after year they take in recruited players and make them play like blue chips. The coach gets the most out of his players and schemes to play teams with more talent and STILL wins. Don't confuse ESPN repeating someone's name a lot and fawning over them as an actual evaluation of talent. We hear the sports pundits go on and on in their pregame shows and halftime shows about this offensive coordinator or that defensive coordinator who's going to be a great head coach one day. Virtually none of them work out.
 
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#52
Some great coaches would have never been if only given 2 & 1/2 years to be awesome.
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
It’s not easy, you have guys like Pruitt and Mason who have fielded a stout defense everywhere they’ve been but couldn’t cut it.

Then you have guys like Dabo who was just a position coach but matured in to a top HC.

If you’re AD, and you know you can’t go out and hire proven with experience, what characteristics (personality or coaching) are you looking for in an up and coming coach?
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You let someone else hire them then you hire a proven HC.
 
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Easy. You'll find him coaching anywhere other than at UT. Those guys are never hired here.
 
#55
#55
Start by eliminating anyone UT is considering hiring as they’ve proven an uncanny ability to identify those up and comers who won’t pan out
 
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Credo said:
No sure fired way . You roll your dice and take your chances
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Minimum 20 years' winning record head ball coaching resume. Ability to look at a camera or interviewer and say at least a sentence of non-embarrassing words....

Why not? Lord knows we've tried all the other ways.
 
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tnktm said:
Some great coaches would have never been if only given 2 & 1/2 years to be awesome.
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A lot of “great” head coaches lost to really bad teams in year three and weren’t competitive against good teams. You are more than welcome to list them
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Um. No it actually wasn’t. He won multiple conference titles in 2 leagues and had a good record. It’s as good or better than any up and coming coach you see mentioned in that coaching thread
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Oh yea? Lay out a few of butch's wins at Cincinnati and tell us why it screams SEC winning coach. Who did he beat?
 
#59
#59
You know what you do with an up and comer??? Don’t give him the keys to a major university football program. He needs to cut his teeth at a LATECH or somewhere 😆. Except Dooley! 😆
 
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I don’t think it is necessarily flawed thinking to want a young up and coming coach. The flaw is expecting someone inexperienced and ill-equipped to figure out how to lead an organization on the job. I do not fault Pruitt for wanting to be a head coach. The fault is with the AD that considers and then hires a grade school educator and expects them to lead our football program. Fulmer should be fired.

Tennessee could certainly hire someone that has already cut their teeth a bit as a head coach but there are viable and qualified assistants out there with the toolset needed to succeed. Here’s 3 that I would interview today.

Alex Grinch- Oklahoma DC
Bachelor’s Degree in Sports Management. Grinch turned down the head coaching job at Washington State after Mike Leach left opting to stay and continue building at Oklahoma.

Morgan Scalley- Utah DC and heir apparent to current head coach Kyle Whittingham. Earned a Bachellor’s in Business Management with a 3.96 GPA. Loves Utah and is unlikely to leave unless a school makes an offer he can’t refuse.

Marcus Freeman- Cincinnati DC. Earned a Masters degree in Sports Management at Ohio State. Freeman is rising through the ranks quickly and for good reason.
 
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#62
We had Mullen but Florida gave him a better opportunity. Now what does Dan Mullen have that some of the others we’ve tried haven’t? Offensive mind, experience coaching in SEC as a head coach. Now who does that sound like that is available?
 
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If their name starts with an F and ends with a reeze he’s probably going to win a natty
 
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The Original Fade said:
Following the path of someone like Mullen is ideal. OC for a big time program, then became the HC at a school with low expectations and exceeded them, making him an ideal hire as a HC at a big time program. We did it wrong with Pruitt. We took a DC skipped the step where he proves himself as a HC at a school with limited resources and low expectations
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Pruitt didn’t skip that step. But unfortunately, we are that step.
 
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You look for an OC who knows how to run a modern spread offense like bama, fla and Ole Miss. Because defenses haven't learned how to stop them, even ones as good as Georgia's defense.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Honestly it’s arguable that Dabo would’ve been canned in the SEC before he matured into a great coach. The competition in this conference and the lack of results early on may have led to his downfall
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He played for the ACC championship in his first full season as a head coach and won it in his third full season as a coach. Lack of results??
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
It’s not easy, you have guys like Pruitt and Mason who have fielded a stout defense everywhere they’ve been but couldn’t cut it.

Then you have guys like Dabo who was just a position coach but matured in to a top HC.

If you’re AD, and you know you can’t go out and hire proven with experience, what characteristics (personality or coaching) are you looking for in an up and coming coach?
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Let the Vanderbilts and MTSUs try to identify an up and coming new coaches. At UT we should hire proven coaches.

What makes people think we cannot go out and hire proven with experience. That is a false premise. We had Leach, somebody screwed it up. We had the Schiano guy (however you spell it) somebody screwed it up. You get rid of bubba, first thing in the morning. You assign a coordinator as the temporary head coach until the season is over. Then you go out there and you pay whatever it takes to fix the problem.
 
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#70
A big name coach does not always succeed. Doug Dickey was incredible at UT then a flop at Florida with a much better recruiting base. You just never know. Vols fired a big name coach in 2007 - then proceeded to migrate to the bottom of the SEC. There are so many variables to success at any school that there is no certain formula. Pruitt may dig out of the quagmire he is in yet - if Bailey turns out to be a productive SEC qb - the younger players may turn it around. Paying off this coaching staff is not only unfeasible but also without a solid choice available with interest in the job - would be ridiculous right now. The coach search threads are fun to read and are about all that can hold interest on the message board until Bailey gets experience at qb so there is hope on offense and something worth watching.
 
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I really don't think it would be that difficult.

Step one, interview a bunch of recent former players discreetly and find out if they would choose to play for that coach again if it were an option. Those guys will tell you, as long as it's discreet.

Step 2, watch the last two seasons of game film closely. Were their position units organized? Were there a lot of penalties from their group? Could they get lined up right before the play, and how did they execute their game plan? Was the overall strategy that they employed a good one? Was it effective?

Step 3, talk to former co-workers and find out if they were good leaders, good coaches, and well liked among their peers.

You can learn most everything you need to know about identifying the potential of encomers by using that process.
 
#72
#72
If I was an AD, I would have a list of 20-25 names of whom could do the job as football coach and a potential salary conversation would be far down that list.
 
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DaddyChad said:
We had Mullen but Florida gave him a better opportunity. Now what does Dan Mullen have that some of the others we’ve tried haven’t? Offensive mind, experience coaching in SEC as a head coach. Now who does that sound like that is available?
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I guess you think every situation is the same within the conference. The only guarantee Freeze offers our program is 50+ million in debt and a magnifying glass from the NCAA with likely probation 3-5 years down the road. See Auburn basketball for reference.
 
#74
#74
I vote for the team that wins the Coastal Carolina vs Liberty game to have their head coach hired at Tennessee.
 
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