How do we feel about this? USA Today Garbage

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deatojl said:
Sark isn't from the Saban coaching tree, he rehabbed under Saban after being a head coach at two P4 programs. He and Kiffin had similar paths. Dan Lanning was a grad assistant for one year under Saban, which was his fourth school to coach for.
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Why did he get canned at USC? Coaching and personal life issues. No one was giving him a chance until Kiffin convinced Saban to.

Saban Tree indeed.

Regardless, all of those guys come uppance is drastically lightyears ahead of Golesh
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Lanning, Kirby, Sark all came from national title winning programs. Like sure the Saban tree isn't always a sure thing, but there is difference in those guys vs Golesh.
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There are other examples but we're obviously not going to agree. Here's hoping this conversation is moot and Heupel stays. In the event he doesn't, I'd personally be excited to possibly have Golesh back along with the consistently potent offense he was responsible for while he was here.
 
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adam.vol said:
We had a potential candidate at QB last year. After the month of October, Aguilar is no longer potentially going to win the award, either. They simply didn’t play well enough to receive it.

It’s not stupid. It’s inconvenient to you because it’s true. Why did you anoint yourself as qualified to label stupidity?
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Lots of practice.

So you are saying Nico was considered a Heisman candidate and equal to Drew Allar's chances this year?
 
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sami said:
Three losses in the Big 10 is like 5-6 losses in the SEC. But the fact does remain that Penn State fired a coach who wins 9-10 games minimum every year.
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And 3 points away from playing for the NC 10 months ago.
 
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Is it stupid that some of our fans are ready to part ways with Heup? Of course it is. But a reasonable person understands that this will happen at any of the big time programs. Leaving one for another doesn’t end that crap.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Why did he get canned at USC? Coaching and personal life issues. No one was giving him a chance until Kiffin convinced Saban to.

Saban Tree indeed.

Regardless, all of those guys come uppance is drastically lightyears ahead of Golesh
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He reportedly showed up intoxicated to a team meeting and embarrassing behavior at a pep rally. It wasn't due to coaching issues. Lane Kiffin was an NFL head coach as well as head coach at two major historical P4 programs prior to becoming OC at Bama. Would you consider Butch Jones as part of the Saban coaching tree, as well?
I do agree with your last statement regarding Golesh, though.
 
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Jim Kimmel click bait to help ratings period. Will not read will not watch .

Wise up
 
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sami said:
40 years ago, perhaps.
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Today. I haven't lived in Tennessee in 30 years so I hear a lot of other fans. I think most non-fans of either team see the two programs similarly. There are some that see one as better than the other though, neither view that PSU is a better program/job than UT or that UT is a better program/job than PSU would be uncommon though.
 
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TennesseeTarheel said:
The topic's only viable use is to generate clicks.
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And OP took the bait. Giving them exactly what they want.

Another topic talked about apathy, I wish some of you had apathy towards clickbait and sports media; apathy is the worst thing for them. If you don't care then they make nothing.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Alex Golesh would be a train wreck here with the current program level / expectations. You don't replace Heupel with someone who has zero experience coaching / running a program with high expectations.

Golesh and Sumrall and Stein types are perfect for a rebuild like Heupel had in 2021 where there is no expectations and you can go balls to wall the first year or two.

Heupel right now is comparable to Mark Richt. Always going to be competitive and win a lot of games each year, but couldn't get over the hump. Kirby did that.

You aren't hiring Golesh to follow Heupel with the expectation of elevating the program to the next level. You hire him to maintain at best.


That's why I think some of these schools are going to panic if Kiffin stays in Oxford and Drink at Mizzou and throw stupid money at other coaches who are currently viewed to not be moving. The top tier guys won't be available and they have to avoid settling with a mid major guy. This is why I hate missing the playoffs. Because the minute you are out of the playoffs, you get thrown on a list of coaches with not much going on in December and can reach out to.

Like if you aim for Kiffin and miss and hire a Heupel and get to avoid a Golesh, Stein, Sumrall type, that was a very successful coaching search. And I don't think it is limited to Heupel. I think Matt Campbell would be viewed the same to a lesser degree. He's topped out in Ames.
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The problem we run into is UGA struck black gold doing this very thing with Richt/Smart so some think it’s easy to do.
 
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Dansky said:
Click bait material. Only the junior high posters on this site or the people who write letters to newspaper in crayon want CJH removed.
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This. Somebody bumped our very own preseason poll about our teams record...just so we could rub these "lunatic fringe" posters nose in their own dogcrap. 8% of VN posters predicted UT to lose less than 3 games. Eight. Ocho. 8%. That accounts for the middle school kids and the mentally challenged/ mentally ill among us. Even 92% of our notably enthusiastic and optimistic fanbase knew that we would drop 3 games. So to lose your mind and be ignorant/crazy enough to call for firing coaches when we actually DO lose our 3rd game is complete insanity. Anyone calling for CJH to be fired is an embarrassment to the University and the rest of us in the fanbase. Unfortunately that tiny % of our fanbase appears to be much larger when they start these stupid threads you see on the FF page. If someone were to just "pop in" and glance at thread titles they might think a significant portion of our fanbase was that ignorant. I loved when AP called these whiners out on the VQ podcast this week and told them plainly to "grow up".
 
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sami said:
Your thread title says it all. The next time USA Today does anything worthy of a thread will be the first.

Even the idea that Penn State is a better job than UT is nothing short of laughable. The only thing he says that makes any sense is that the path to the playoff is easier with a creampuff Big 10 schedule.
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The writer doesn't claim that Penn State is a better job, in fact he explicitly states otherwise:

"Exiting Tennessee for Penn State would be a lateral move, but it's a move with an easier path to the playoff. That’s what this sport is now, for programs like Penn State or Tennessee: Playoff or bust.

I can’t fault fans' demands, either, not when they must pay a “talent fee” for the right to watch games in Neyland Stadium. That’s money well spent if watching the home team rumble toward the playoff. When the Vols commit three turnovers in a whimpering loss to Oklahoma, it must feel like a con."

It's meant to be provocative, and I doubt the writer actually foresees a world in which Heupel leaves UT for PSU (or anywhere for the time being), but there's not much in there that's very far off base. His argument is essentially that Heup could leave for Penn State and be in a similar situation, but effectively be turning back the clock. And he's dead right that if the boys lose to Florida and/or Vandy, and then next year is similar, things could get dicey for Heup very quickly.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
The problem we run into is UGA struck black gold doing this very thing with Richt/Smart so some think it’s easy to do.
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Correct. I also think Kirby's restraint helped him as well. He was getting offers for like 4 years from everyone and he stayed put. Muschamp was head coach in waiting and took first job offer he got and saw how that turned out.
 
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cgrish said:
His agent behind this for more money and larger payout
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We have a winner!

With us out of the playoff hunt, Josh is one of the good coaches the programs that are looking can contact, so generating a little buzz around his name is good work by his agent.

Tapping Penn State as interested is a good move because Danny and UT will have less sources to find out if it's true than they will with an SEC program like FL or LSU.

I don't think he's going anywhere nor does he want to go anywhere but his agent needs to justify his employment and get his name out there. It's the job.
 
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So leave UT to go work for a school that fired their guy mid season the year after going to the semifinals and being one score away from playing for a championship against a team they took to the wire earlier in the season?
 
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UTFanForLife said:
I mean that is correct, but Penn St was also 45-21 in the first 5 of those 12 years. We would have to lose 3 out of 5 to match that. Either way, gonna see 7 more years of Huepel if we follow Penn St.
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7 more years of Heupel wouldn’t be the worst thing possible. My hope is that we let him keep plugging away at his job, but no big raises or buyouts until he wins a title. If he feels that he needs to move on, then let him.

deatojl said:
A little bit misleading as our third loss last year was in a playoff game while their third loss this year was also their third consecutive loss during the regular season with the las two coming against unranked opponents. Also, the circumstances for the two coaches leading up to those three losses are vastly different.
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True.

I say losing to Arkansas wasn’t much different than losing to UCLA. What we did after that loss is the biggest difference. Also, PSU has spent a lot more on NIL this year and that’s what really got Franklin canned.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Lots of practice.

So you are saying Nico was considered a Heisman candidate and equal to Drew Allar's chances this year?
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I don’t know who Drew Allar is. I don’t keep up with beauty contests that closely. I only know the Vols and who we’ve played against.

I know that Nico was rated higher last year than Aguilar was this year in week 0.
 
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sami said:
Your thread title says it all. The next time USA Today does anything worthy of a thread will be the first.

Even the idea that Penn State is a better job than UT is nothing short of laughable. The only thing he says that makes any sense is that the path to the playoff is easier with a creampuff Big 10 schedule.
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I wonder which is more well known in the under 35 crowd—Tang or USA Today ?
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
KNS has been dog$hit for years.
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Paid $4 for a Saturday edition day of the Arkansas game for my daughters 1st game in Neyland. No player lineups, no color just black and white, not even half the stuff that was in the gameday section my whole life growing up. Used to be, everything about the game section was awesome except Adams ignorant azz getting a column in there. Now the whole thing is garbage. Should have looked inside it before I paid...I would have definitely put it back
 
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HooahVol said:
if he does leave we have no one to blame but ourselves. After a season where our qb left last second and our star defensive backs are injured all season Tennessee fans lost their mind because we missed the playoffs. How quickly we forget how bad we were before Heupel.

As far as Heup at Penn State goes I bet he would do well. The Big Ten is kind of a cake walk other than Ohio State and occasionally Michigan and Penn State. Do you guys ever look at the spreads? Week and and week out Ohio State is favored by multiple Touchdowns. This week they are favored 29.5. Also, no one is playing the type of offense putting up our type of numbers in the Big Ten. I really, really hope he does not leave but could see the temptation. It is a lot easier to make the top three in the Big Ten than the SEC which would guarantee a playoff spot annually.
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Are you suggesting that most fans on this board are illogical and don't deal in reality?! Banks needs to go but Heupel is doing fine
 
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