How come Tillman didn’t catch the TD Pass?

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eVOLUTion16 said:
Mentioned this in a thread that got deleted. Purdue opened -3, last line I saw was Wednesday night Tennessee -7.5. That is more than a 10 point swing. I know little about sports books, but it’s my understanding that it takes a lot of money coming in on 1 side to move a line. The line moving as much as it did suggests to me that the majority of bets kept coming in on Tennessee.

Now let’s consider what we saw from the officiating crew last night. Most are focused on the 4th down in OT, but the truth from my perspective is officiating was a big reason Purdue hung around. False start on the center? Holding on a 40 yard KO return? Did they call holding on Purdue’s OL a single time? OPI? Multiple questionable drive sustaining PI’s? Tillman’s jersey?

Not a conspiracy theorist, but I’m definitely interested in what the house took in on this game.
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It isn't a conspiracy theory when you have video evidence. This was ridiculous. Either the ACC officials were taking a shot at the SEC or they need to be investigated for sports gambling.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I said that all night. They also kept letting guys on the wrong side make the spot, which is why they were constantly so damn terrible.

These refs had money on the game. No other explanation.
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My guess is there's some Big 10 influence on the referees' behavior - donors or the commission itself.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I am wondering if the Spread had anything to do with the game.

Us throwing for TDs when we only needed 2 or 3 pass plays to net 15 yards

PI calls by the same Ref

OT TD

If you show a broader picture you will see the sideline judge looking in the opposite direction.

I am just wondering about the Spread Tennessee scores the TD and extra point -
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Based on the closing line at -7.5 if Tennessee scores in the first OT kicks the extra point and stops Purdue Purdue still covers on the .5

But considering the line opened with Purdue favorited a TON of money was bet on Tennessee to not only flip the line but have UT favored by over a TD by kickoff. Books made a killing off of it.
 
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sjt18 said:
It isn't a conspiracy theory when you have video evidence. This was ridiculous. Either the ACC officials were taking a shot at the SEC or they need to be investigated for sports gambling.
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I don’t necessarily disagree with you.

The overall point I was trying to make is that, given my assumptions that the game was bet in a very lopsided manner then officiated like it was, it is entirely plausible that the corruption is far greater than one officiating crew. Who stood to make the most money from a Purdue win? Pretty clear it’s the sports book (+3 at that—no bet made on Tennessee paid out). I have no idea what generally gets gambled on a game, but I do know Purdue winning meant millions more paid in than got paid out. How many millions more is what really interests me. Enough to justify paying off an officiating crew? I don’t know, a lot of money moves through sports books.

That is quite an accusation, and one that I, personally, can’t make without any real evidence. However plausible it may be.

Which is why I mention “conspiracy theorists”. I don’t feel like I generally subscribe to the wild theories. But I was cognizant of what I posted earlier in the 2nd quarter of the game. And it is definitely a wild theory. So now, I’m left questioning my own sanity. Just another thing to thank ACC officiating and Vol fandom for I guess?

Of course it’s also entirely plausible that crew is just that incompetent, and that is all we have video evidence of currently.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I said that all night. They also kept letting guys on the wrong side make the spot, which is why they were constantly so damn terrible.

These refs had money on the game. No other explanation.
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I was unable to watch live, but DVRed the game. Watching it for a second time now. I was told a crew from the ACC got suspended for a couple of weeks due to some sort of nonsense during a game between Miami, and I think Duke. It was suppose to be this crew.

At this point I am not trying to take anything away from Coach Brohm and Purdue. On the first look, I thought they played one helluva good game. But I am gonne watch for coaches sginaling players to flop. And I am going to watch all the PI nonsense as well.

I hate to think the fix was in. But officiating nonsense is becoming all too common.

Edit: If the fix was in, I feel there were several moments that calls went our way where they could have called it differently. However that OT touchdown disallowed? Nonsense.

As to the PI's? A few of the early ones, I can't argue with. But in the 4th? Nit picky.

Still, our guys made some really dumb mistakes. Letting go of the TE for a 62 yrd TD. Bad coverage on Thompson's late TD? Vols could have beaten Purdue and the refs without those screwups.

Maybe next year, we can make the Duke's Mayo Bowl. But I hope instead of covering the winning coach, do so to their radio play by play guy. Drop him in a vat. I want one Bob moment that would not be boring.
 
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PC Jr. said:
What’s the University and the Conference doing about this??? Surely there is something they can do even if it only gets us an apology
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They can take their apology, and stick it where the sun don't shine. They need to fix the problem, and sack the morons.
 
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Jonsson said:
Based on the closing line at -7.5 if Tennessee scores in the first OT kicks the extra point and stops Purdue Purdue still covers on the .5

But considering the line opened with Purdue favorited a TON of money was bet on Tennessee to not only flip the line but have UT favored by over a TD by kickoff. Books made a killing off of it.
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I agreed the line held for a while at -6.5 which made me question why we threw two pass attempts for a score. Makes no sense when two short passes gets the necessary yardage to get the FG.
Strange Play Calling with TOs in the pocket...
 
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UTvols#1 said:
Been telling folks the game has been taken over by fantasy and gambling..That's why at every rule and move made by ncaa is so they can get the outcome they choose ..Big money is involved . I noticed this way back when McCoy took a dive in the championship game against bama years ago..It's even a bigger problem in the NFL ..No integrity in the game any more ..Stand back throw you fandom out the window and watch the games ..The players in the NFL call themselves a fraternity for a reason ..
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Remember the Saints safety letting that Vikings receiver score the TD to win a few years back? That was the worst acting I've seen in a while. Might as well get used to it. $$$ has corrupted the sport. It's been going on for decades, but now the sports themselves have embraced gambling openly.
 
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Not going to change until Huepel and/or Danny White goes off publicly on officiating. I don’t think White has the cajones to do it.
 
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brockytop said:
Not going to change until Huepel and/or Danny White goes off publicly on officiating. I don’t think White has the cajones to do it.
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I think you are wrong and I think that us Common Fans will never know about it when he does if he has not done it already......TACT
 
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tennesseepride84 said:
You know what? I think we would be surprised at how many officials are actually alums, or actual child hood fans of certain teams. And actually grew up hating other teams.
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This is so true. Just think about it every guy I know that's an official were all big sports fans and guess what a fan of a certain team and Conference. There is no way that doesn't creep into their decision whether to call something or let it slide. That's what is frustrating and there are so many betting sites you could be in cahoots with a friend betting and making some on the side money.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
I know Burrell had one of the worst games ever for a UT DB but I think he got hosed on that last long TD pass he gave up as well.

When the receiver puts 2 hands into the DBs chest and pushes off with both arms fully extended that is interference.
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As a defender.. you have to play the ball .. Burrell never looks back to play ball .. if both guys play ball and there is contact then its incidental contact ..
 
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brockytop said:
That’s why I said “publicly“. What‘s discussed privately is of no consequence. Exactly why second rate officials keep getting trotted out there year after year.
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You air this out Publicly and Tennessee will get Jobbed in every game they Play in or outside of the SEC. Potential unwanted Law Suit. Thanks but no Thanks.
Let the Media do it, they can afford the Law Suits and use Freedom of the Media.
We Do it, we will end up with Black Balls.
 
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GiveHim6InSC said:
You know, what was as bad in my eyes is the fact that some of the PIs were not called by the official standing within 5 yards of the play LOOKING at the play, but were called by somebody 25 yards away on the other side of the field.
Remember, all they have to do is make A call. They know the rules of reviewing and they know what can and can’t be reviewed, as well as the whole “indisputable evidence” thing.
That’s no small thing. Officials can greatly affect the outcome of a game by little things like that.
I hope none of those clowns ever officiate a UT game and it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if MCB was no longer an option for the Vols postseason.
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At the rate we’re going, blackballing crews and all, it’s gonna be hard to find an officiating crew to work our games. 😂
GBO!!
 
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ButchPlz said:
I said that all night. They also kept letting guys on the wrong side make the spot, which is why they were constantly so damn terrible.

These refs had money on the game. No other explanation.
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I firmly believe that at least the line judge had money on the game. Total judgement call that since it’s “not reviewable” can’t be questioned. Too easy. And that made the 2nd time Tennessee’s game has hinged on the same type of call.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I agreed the line held for a while at -6.5 which made me question why we threw two pass attempts for a score. Makes no sense when two short passes gets the necessary yardage to get the FG.
Strange Play Calling with TOs in the pocket...
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Both times the reciever was open for a TD. That's why!!! If Tillman's jersey ain't ripped off we ain't having this conversation period.
 
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Hallie said:
As a defender.. you have to play the ball .. Burrell never looks back to play ball .. if both guys play ball and there is contact then its incidental contact ..
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Hard to play the ball when he gets shoved on his ass before the ball gets there.

I am not defending his play overall , just saying that one TD in particular is an illustration of how one side the officiating was in the game.

Personally think the entire secondary needs to be recruited over. They play hard but that will only get a team so far.
 
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brockytop said:
Not going to change until Huepel and/or Danny White goes off publicly on officiating. I don’t think White has the cajones to do it.
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The situation has gotten so bad that Tennessee needs rules attorneys on the sideline and in the booth. I'm sorry to say this, but I'm saying it. The situation is that bad!
 
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The sad truth is the University and Athletic Department are in a position they can say or do nothing about any of this. They could stand up, but to gain what?

We are the people to stand up for our team and we are doing a good job.
I told my wife 3 minutes into the game the betting line was affecting officiating because of the money that went toward UT. I predicted it before the game and I will never be convinced it wasn't a factor.
I believe it was a factor in the Ole Miss game as well. I am not paranoid. I can see, understand, do simple arithmetic, apply Occam's Razor while discounting stupidity, because none of these officials are dumb. I don't know who is getting paid and what type of influence is being exerted on the officiating.
Is it the conferences?
Is it simply people dangling $$$?
I have no idea about that. But it is real. And it is getting more obvious and more difficult to explain away when it is this consistent.
 
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I know I'm not the first to think of this and it's probably as wrong as wrong can be but I'd smile big if one of our defensive backs would come in about 30MPH and place the crown of his helmet on the chin of a dirty ref. Bet the rest would maybe think twice before making a bogus call.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I am wondering if the Spread had anything to do with the game.

Us throwing for TDs when we only needed 2 or 3 pass plays to net 15 yards

PI calls by the same Ref

OT TD

If you show a broader picture you will see the sideline judge looking in the opposite direction.

I am just wondering about the Spread Tennessee scores the TD and extra point -
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Either score would have covered the spread. Ther are some assumptions, but it did cost.
 
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