Holloway vs Dobbs

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OrangeDog said:
Anybody else remember Jimmy Streater? The Sylva Streak? He's one that would run 30-60 yards for a 3-30 yard gain......or a 20 yard loss. Exciting Nail-biting football. Actually I think that was him. By the end of the run, his Jersey would be gone.

R.I.P.
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Little bitty fella, awfully fun to watch. Remember him well.
 
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Ryan Rocky Top said:
I'm really interested in watching him spin it the next few years!
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I'm curious as well to see how/if he develops. Was shocked when they announced he was transferring a couple years ago and quickly became thankful for Dobbs. But I'm interested to see what all the hub bub was about Riley. Everyone who saw him said he easily had the best arm talent, just wasn't exactly a rocket scientist (pun intended) like Joshua.
 
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OrangeDog said:
Anybody else remember Jimmy Streater? The Sylva Streak? He's one that would run 30-60 yards for a 3-30 yard gain......or a 20 yard loss. Exciting Nail-biting football. Actually I think that was him. By the end of the run, his Jersey would be gone.

R.I.P.
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Yeah you never knew what was going to happen when they snapped the ball. LOL
 
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Jax_Vol said:
IMO, it is a fair question:

Top-8 Vol quarterbacks of last 45 years. From memory:

1) Peyton

2) Holloway

3) Tee Martin

4) Tony Robinson

5) Jimmy Streater

6) Andy Kelly

7) Heath Shuler

8) Casey Clausen

I think Dobbs is already in that group somewhere. With a great season this year, he could be in the top 2-3.
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Now that I think more about that, Holloway and Streater were shifty scrambling types. But, they both weighed 175-185 pound range. Of everyone listed there, Dobbs is the most difficult guy to tackle.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
IMO, it is a fair question:

Top-8 Vol quarterbacks of last 45 years. From memory:

1) Peyton

2) Holloway

3) Tee Martin

4) Tony Robinson

5) Jimmy Streater

6) Andy Kelly

7) Heath Shuler

8) Casey Clausen

I think Dobbs is already in that group somewhere. With a great season this year, he could be in the top 2-3.
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TRob and Shuler were both light years better than Tee. Clausen too.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
I agree with TRob. But, hard to discount that crystal football thing Tee won.
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Not for me. Tee was the QB on the very good team that won that crystal ball thing.....and that team won a handful of games despite some average to poor QB by Tee play that year. It was a magical year where Tee made some key plays at times but also found himself along for the ride at times. And, IMHO, better, consistent QB play throughout the season would've required less "magic" to win the title that year.....I think TRob, Clausen and Shuler absolutely would've provided it.

Finally, despite an equally talented team in 1999, Tee's senior season, we saw what happened when the stars didn't align again.....Tee qb'd a 4 loss team while completing 54% of his passes and a 12/9 TD to int ratio.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
IMO, it is a fair question:

Top-8 Vol quarterbacks of last 45 years. From memory:

1) Peyton

2) Holloway

3) Tee Martin

4) Tony Robinson

5) Jimmy Streater

6) Andy Kelly

7) Heath Shuler

8) Casey Clausen

I think Dobbs is already in that group somewhere. With a great season this year, he could be in the top 2-3.
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Tough to leave Ainge off the list. 2nd all time passer I believe
 
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MurphyVol said:
Tough to leave Ainge off the list. 2nd all time passer I believe
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Agree. I'd slide Holloway down a notch or two and Tee way down and Streater off the list altogether. Get Ainge on there and move TRob and especially Shuler way up. Jmo.
 
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KBVol said:
Agree. I'd slide Holloway down a notch or two and Tee way down and Streater off the list altogether. Get Ainge on there and move TRob and especially Shuler way up. Jmo.
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I'm not looking at any stats. Just thinking about who meant the most to a successful team. I forgot about Eric Ainge.

I could see Robinson in the two position. He was special. Streater and Holloway meant a ton to teams that were not very good. I'm sure their stats don't reflect that because the '70s were a running era.

Shuler had a ton of talent. Plus, he was fast. But, IMO, he couldn't read defenses. Threw it a million miles an hour right into double coverage.

Tee was off & on, but clutch on big plays in fourth quarter. He won a lot of games in those two years.
 
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any list w streater ahead of shuler is a really bad list...

1) manning
2) shuler
3) clausen
4) martin
5) holloway
6) robinson
7) kelly
8) francis

streater was a turnover machine
 
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PowerSweep said:
any list w streater ahead of shuler is a really bad list...

1) manning
2) shuler
3) clausen
4) martin
5) holloway
6) robinson
7) kelly
8) francis

streater was a turnover machine
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People forget how good Ainge was IMO. Other than a bad sophomore season, he was very good at Tennessee. I'd put him on the list and he'd be top 5.

I think your top 3 is perfect and pretty much irrefutable. I'd just close out the top 5 with Ainge and TRob. I'd have Tee at 7th or 8th personally. Agree that Streater doesn't belong....he was fun to watch but wasn't a top all-time Tennessee QB by any means IMO.
 
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PowerSweep said:
any list w streater ahead of shuler is a really bad list...

1) manning
2) shuler
3) clausen
4) martin
5) holloway
6) robinson
7) kelly
8) francis

streater was a turnover machine
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Ok, I can see that point of view. If you saw the '79 Notre Dame game, Streater was the heart of the team. He got hurt and we had to go to a turribe backup. Somewhat like Holloway, Streater holds a special place because they added life to some bad teams.

Shuler was definitely in top 2-3 in ability. I just never thought much of his football IQ. He had some poor play that factored into Coach Majors getting fired.

Compton's inability to understand the Clawfense contributed to Fulmer's downfall. Shuler was a bit like that for Majors.

When I think about an Andy Kelly, or a Holloway, they were somewhat getting near the max out of their talents. I have that feeling about Dobbs. If he can improve the occasional deep passing, IMO, Josh will be near the top of that list.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Ok, I can see that point of view. If you saw the '79 Notre Dame game, Streater was the heart of the team. He got hurt and we had to go to a turribe backup. Somewhat like Holloway, Streater holds a special place because they added life to some bad teams.

Shuler was definitely in top 2-3 in ability. I just never thought much of his football IQ. He had some poor play that factored into Coach Majors getting fired.

Compton's inability to understand the Clawfense contributed to Fulmer's downfall. Shuler was a bit like that for Majors.

When I think about an Andy Kelly, or a Holloway, they were somewhat getting near the max out of their talents. I have that feeling about Dobbs. If he can improve the occasional deep passing, IMO, Josh will be near the top of that list.
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guy finished 2nd in the heisman f chrissakes...36 td's 12 int's and could run when he needed to..better int % than manning better td/int ratio than manning exact same qb rating..what the heck are you talking about?
 
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PowerSweep said:
guy finished 2nd in the heisman f chrissakes...36 td's 12 int's and could run when he needed to..better int % than manning better td/int ratio than manning exact same qb rating..what the heck are you talking about?
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Good point! I forgot how much he improved his senior year under Fulmer. Was thinking more about the Majors years.
 
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Holloway was a QB way ahead of his time at UT, only 12 INTs >400 attempts. Had the NFL been slightly more progressive then there's no reason to believe he would have been anything but a success there as a QB as well. The NFL drafted him as a defensive back. He played in the CFL, won their equivalent to the Super Bowl and was inducted into the CFL Hall of Fame. We should not forget how high the bar Condredge set while he played on The Hill. Proud of him and proud for him.
 
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Remy said:
Holloway was a QB way ahead of his time at UT, only 12 INTs >400 attempts. Had the NFL been slightly more progressive then there's no reason to believe he would have been anything but a success there as a QB as well. The NFL drafted him as a defensive back. He played in the CFL, won their equivalent to the Super Bowl and was inducted into the CFL Hall of Fame. We should not forget how high the bar Condredge set while he played on The Hill. Proud of him and proud for him.
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well said..very true
 
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