Holloway vs Dobbs

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fade route said:
Dobbs is the best open field runner we have on the team.
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They're two different types of open field runners but it's difficult for me to place Dobbs over Kamara, perhaps for me with Kamara. Dobbs has the innate talent that just keeps him from really ever being nailed and he has a gear he doesn't know he has it just comes out when someone is in pursuit rarely after he's beyond the LOS do you see somebody catch him from behind yet he's no noted speedster. Kamara is an RB he's dipping juking giving you a shoulder or leg taking it away, Dobbs is just running like "get me out of here jailbreak!!" Love both these kids.
 
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Remy said:
They're two different types of open field runners but it's difficult for me to place Dobbs over Kamara, perhaps for me with Kamara. Dobbs has the innate talent that just keeps him from really ever being nailed and he has a gear he doesn't know he has it just comes out when someone is in pursuit rarely after he's beyond the LOS do you see somebody catch him from behind yet he's no noted speedster. Kamara is an RB he's dipping juking giving you a shoulder or leg taking it away, Dobbs is just running like "get me out of here jailbreak!!" Love both these kids.
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Berry is the best open field runner.
 
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KBVol said:
I'd still take Kamara. PFF says he's top 3 or 4 in the country at breaking tackles/being elusive.
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True, Kamara is three or four out of all running backs. But get this. The number one RB had an elusive rating of 114 and change. Dobbs had a rating over 160!
 
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Dobbs is a RB that can kind of throw the ball....CH was a QB that had to run for his life to make plays when WRs were not open.
 
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VolBoyFord said:
Not to take away from your post, but I don't think he snubbed bama. They were upfront with him in recruiting and said that Alabama wasn't ready for a black qb yet. If I recall correctly..
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That is correct. He always said he admired Coach Bryant very much for having the guts to tell him the truth. A lot of folks don't remember how great a PG he was. He led his HS to the state title and Coach Wooden offered him a scholarship to UCLA.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
Holloway was never a rushing QB. He was cat quick and untouchable in the backfield. The majority if his yards came from broken plays. He just got the job done. not really comparable to Dobbs and this offensive structure.

Holloway played on the freshman team, required back then. I actually saw most of those games. None of those stats counted.
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Funny how casual people are with stats - journalists, too. They all seem to forget that there used to be fewer games in the season and fewer bowls, and they definitely fail to remember that before 1972 freshmen did not play varsity football. You have normalize and use most stats on a per game basis to have meaning.
 
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I call that a snub. Also we were going to let him play baseball and football. He chose to focus on football. I believe the racial climate at Bama also played a role. But another poster was correct that it was Richmond Flowers that chose TN mostly because of race. His Dad was vilified in Bama because he was for integration.

VOLINVONORE said:
I thought it was more his Father's stand on integration and the political fall out if he had gone to Alabama. However, I could be wrong.
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IPleadInsanity said:
Holloway was never a rushing QB. He was cat quick and untouchable in the backfield. The majority if his yards came from broken plays. He just got the job done. not really comparable to Dobbs and this offensive structure.

Holloway played on the freshman team, required back then. I actually saw most of those games. None of those stats counted.
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The Freshman game with Notre Dame still ranks as one of my football highlights of all time. :hi:
 
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Shakinthefat said:
Both are very elusive QB's. Holloway could have been a MLB player. He probably had better accuracy passing than Dobbs.
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No.

Year G Comp Att Pct Int TD Yds
1972 10 73 120 60.8 3 3 807
1973 11 89 154 57.8 4 10 1149
1974 11 76 133 57.1 5 5 1146

Totals 32 238 407 58.5 12 18 3102
 
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gobraves101035 said:
No imo that's a lot harder lol
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Returning kicks is pretty much one cut and go deal. Evan is great at it, but all he's essentially done is hit a seam which gets him past the initial wave of defense and then outrun 1-2 other guys. Not to disparage him at all, it's an art and he has it down pat with the help of the others on the kickoff return team. They're all outstanding. But I don't think for one second that it's a lot harder than getting to the second level of the defense and getting past linebackers and DBs. Haha.
 
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It was a very different era but I think a couple of highlights have given people the wrong impression of what Holloway was. He averaged 2.8 yards per rush and averaged about 300 yards per season rushing
 
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MurphyVol said:
It was a very different era but I think a couple of highlights have given people the wrong impression of what Holloway was. He averaged 2.8 yards per rush and averaged about 300 yards per season rushing
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2.8 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. But man, he typically ran 50-60 yards to get there, all in the backfield. :)
 
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MurphyVol said:
It was a very different era but I think a couple of highlights have given people the wrong impression of what Holloway was. He averaged 2.8 yards per rush and averaged about 300 yards per season rushing
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Yeah but they all watched "the color orange" and therefore are experts.

I wish I wouldve been around to see CH 1st hand. All I have is stories and highlights but it does appear that he could make men miss him like the good ole days and was usually the best athelete on the field just from what I've seen. Dunno how he compares to Dobbs but I've seen JD 1st hand and in person several times and he just flat out makes plays with his feet.

Dobbs can be elusive or run a big guy over and is great in the open field. Don't take many solid shots either. CH took several it appears but that don't take away from his skill set.

I'd like to see CH in this O-system.
 
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UTodd01 said:
Dobbs reminds me more of Tony Robinson than Holloway *shrug*
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IMO, it is a fair question:

Top-8 Vol quarterbacks of last 45 years. From memory:

1) Peyton

2) Holloway

3) Tee Martin

4) Tony Robinson

5) Jimmy Streater

6) Andy Kelly

7) Heath Shuler

8) Casey Clausen

I think Dobbs is already in that group somewhere. With a great season this year, he could be in the top 2-3.
 
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Anybody else remember Jimmy Streater? The Sylva Streak? He's one that would run 30-60 yards for a 3-30 yard gain......or a 20 yard loss. Exciting Nail-biting football. Actually I think that was him. By the end of the run, his Jersey would be gone.

R.I.P.
 
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