History lesson-Fulmer hires

[larjoranj]

Piss poor thread. Sorry, I try not to criticize thread or post creation, but we're really reaching here.

Try harder

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I love the Johnny Majors coaching tree, but Phil had really good assistants that he retained for years. I can't fault him for that. Staff shake ups happen after disastrous seasons and CPF avoided having one of those for more than a decade.

Phil and the Fulmerites have trouble acknowledging it, but he really does owe a great deal of his success to Johnny Majors.

 

[Sstterry]

No one has mentioned Matt Luke.

 

[CAVPUT]

Well, back in the day, there was a theory that Fulmer would not hire someone capable of taking his job since that's the route he took to take control from Majors. As his job as a coach is not at stake this time, perhaps things will go differently? Not saying I believe or don't believe this theory, but it is worth noting....kinda.

 

[RollerVol]

I would like trooper Taylor back

do you miss the chest bumps on the sideline...well, he's older now...not doing too much of that anymore...pretty dang good recruiter...doubt he'll be back, but, hey, you never know...

GO VOLS!

 

[RollerVol]

Well, back in the day, there was a theory that Fulmer would not hire someone capable of taking his job since that's the route he took to take control from Majors. As his job as a coach is not at stake this time, perhaps things will go differently? Not saying I believe or don't believe this theory, but it is worth noting....kinda.

gee, sounds similar to somebody else we all know that was fired...

PS. like the big bang theory better...:crazy:

GO VOLS!

 

[JVol76]

This is the reason I never wanted Fulmer as AD, he doesn't have a proven record of hiring quality coaches. A couple perhaps, but few and far between. Hopefully he is using every tool at his disposal and at the press conference he did say you learn from past mistakes so maybe that will hold true. I thought the last couple of times there was an opening we could get this thing back on track but now I'm expecting the worst and hoping for the best.

 

[njvols]

I am asking a question not giving info so if you cane looking for a nugget my bad. Can anyone help paint a picture of past Fulmer hires on staff? I recall Cut, but I think he was promoted from within. I also remember some horrific pics at the end on offense. Can anyone fill in the blanks?

If say good record when he has personal relationship with the coach. Not so good (clawson) when he doesn't know the person well and just going off interview. That being said clawson prob didn't have time to succeed. We didn't have good personnel matching for his offense...like when Dooley went from 4-3 to 3-4.

 

[Chicago Vols 14]

In sixteen years as a head coach of a nationally-contending SEC program, Fulmer hired exactly three assistants who would later become head coaches elsewhere. Those three coaches were on staff at UT for a combined four years.

Lovie Smith - defensive backs coach, 1993 and 1994. Became Chicago Bears head coach in 2004.

Doug Marrone - TE/OT coach, 2001. Became Syracuse head coach in 2009.

Dave Clawson - offensive coordinator, 2008. I'd argue that this doesn't even count, since he'd spent the previous nine years as a head coach between Fordham and Richmond as it was.

For a major program to have such a weak record of generating future head coaches is appalling, and it goes a long way toward explaining why the program began to crumble after 2001. In the case of programs like Penn State, they had numerous assistants who were there for a long time because they were exceptional and were well-compensated. In the case of UT, there were numerous assistants who were there for a long time who were truly awful and yet were not replaced.

UT suffered through eight years of Jimmy Ray Stephens and Greg Adkins coaching the offensive line. In the eight years that those two would have coached to develop, and despite having four- and five-star OL prospects coming in every single year, UT had exactly three OL who was drafted - Fred Weary (3rd round), Scott Wells (7th), Arron Sears (2nd).

Look at someone like Jacques McClendon: played in the All-American Bowl, top overall prospect in the state, played in 49 games at UT, and was a 4th-round pick who ended up starting five games in his NFL career.

Michael Munoz was by far the best OL prospect in the country, a five-star prospect with future NFL legend written all over him. He ended up undrafted.

There were four different five-star OLs recruited during that time: Munoz, Jason Respert, Sean Young, and Brandon Jefferies. They combined to player 0 NFL games.

Four-star guys included Sears, McClendon, and Chris Scott, but also Josh McNeil, Cody Douglas, Darris Sawtelle, Albert Toeiana, Rob Smith, and Eric Young.

Munoz did not pass most teams physical. But a nice attempt to blame Fulmer and the coaches.

 

[Chicago Vols 14]

Fulmer hired Rodney Garner who is now the defensive line/associate head coach at Auburn. Garner was one of the first coaches that was nationally recognized as a top recruiter. Garner was responsible for nearly all of the Atlanta area talent that helped win the national championship in 1998 including Cosey Coleman and Jamaal Lewis.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Fulmer hired Rodney Garner who is now the defensive line/associate head coach at Auburn. Garner was one of the first coaches that was nationally recognized as a top recruiter. Garner was responsible for nearly all of the Atlanta area talent that helped win the national championship in 1998 including Cosey Coleman and Jamaal Lewis.

Great recruiter; at best an average coach.

 

[Sat330pmAppt]

Jimmy Ray Stephens OL.....fired at Florida, terrible. Now coaching high school
Randy Sanders good guy, bad OC
Dave Clausen....good coach bad fit.

The Clawfense hung 60+ At Syracuse (More than Clemson), and broke the school scoring record at WFU this year in his 4th year starting with a barren cupboard that Grobe left.

Beat top 20 Temple last year and has a shot to beat A&M In the Belk Bowl. Clawson also beat NC State, Louisville, B.C.

He’s more accomplished than most people give him credit for.

:clapping:

 

[BigVolFan]

In sixteen years as a head coach of a nationally-contending SEC program, Fulmer hired exactly three assistants who would later become head coaches elsewhere. Those three coaches were on staff at UT for a combined four years.

Lovie Smith - defensive backs coach, 1993 and 1994. Became Chicago Bears head coach in 2004.

Doug Marrone - TE/OT coach, 2001. Became Syracuse head coach in 2009.

Dave Clawson - offensive coordinator, 2008. I'd argue that this doesn't even count, since he'd spent the previous nine years as a head coach between Fordham and Richmond as it was.

For a major program to have such a weak record of generating future head coaches is appalling, and it goes a long way toward explaining why the program began to crumble after 2001. In the case of programs like Penn State, they had numerous assistants who were there for a long time because they were exceptional and were well-compensated. In the case of UT, there were numerous assistants who were there for a long time who were truly awful and yet were not replaced.

UT suffered through eight years of Jimmy Ray Stephens and Greg Adkins coaching the offensive line. In the eight years that those two would have coached to develop, and despite having four- and five-star OL prospects coming in every single year, UT had exactly three OL who was drafted - Fred Weary (3rd round), Scott Wells (7th), Arron Sears (2nd).

Look at someone like Jacques McClendon: played in the All-American Bowl, top overall prospect in the state, played in 49 games at UT, and was a 4th-round pick who ended up starting five games in his NFL career.

Michael Munoz was by far the best OL prospect in the country, a five-star prospect with future NFL legend written all over him. He ended up undrafted.

There were four different five-star OLs recruited during that time: Munoz, Jason Respert, Sean Young, and Brandon Jefferies. They combined to player 0 NFL games.

Four-star guys included Sears, McClendon, and Chris Scott, but also Josh McNeil, Cody Douglas, Darris Sawtelle, Albert Toeiana, Rob Smith, and Eric Young.

Didn't Michael Munoz have knee issues that pushed NFL teams away form drafting him?

 

[MedicT]

This is the reason I never wanted Fulmer as AD, he doesn't have a proven record of hiring quality coaches. A couple perhaps, but few and far between. Hopefully he is using every tool at his disposal and at the press conference he did say you learn from past mistakes so maybe that will hold true. I thought the last couple of times there was an opening we could get this thing back on track but now I'm expecting the worst and hoping for the best.

A National Championship to his credit makes your post a little silly don't you think?

 

[vettefool]

A National Championship to his credit makes your post a little silly don't you think?

He won nat. Champ. In large part due to Rodney garner’s recruiting ability. For some reason he allowed him to walk away to Georgia. I’m sure money was one reason he left, but fulmer should have went to the wall to get him the salary that would keep him at u.t. After garner left we were never as strong recruiting, especially in ga. I think he pushed the limit to n.c.a.a. Regulations though.

 

[ATLVols]

I am asking a question not giving info so if you cane looking for a nugget my bad. Can anyone help paint a picture of past Fulmer hires on staff? I recall Cut, but I think he was promoted from within. I also remember some horrific pics at the end on offense. Can anyone fill in the blanks?

Fulmer had one of the best staffs in college football. He know his stuff. The only bad hire was in his last year with Dave Clawson at OC, but even now, Clawson has been successful everywhere he has been. On paper, it should have been a good hire.

 

[ReelfootVol]

All these old school coaches are so out dated it isn't funny....Look at Chavis....a good defensive cord. in his day for the power I offense and run oriented teams. However, when you get to the spread and wide open offensives he has proven at Texas A & M he is as lost as a goose. I am 70 years old and I know what old school means. Old school does not work against the more updated offensive and defensive teams. The day is over when all you have to stop is a team that runs off tackle all the time. think about it.

 

[jvol1]

The fan base wasn't prepared for Saban when he came back, and didn't know how to handle it when he started to win big. Fulmer was always a good coach, but never got the chance (he should have been given in hindsight) to equalize with Saban.

Of course, Saban did seem to kind of have his number thinking back to the 01 championship game.

 

[Teirnon]

I would like trooper Taylor back

The program Killer!

 

[Chicago Vols 14]

He won nat. Champ. In large part due to Rodney garner’s recruiting ability. For some reason he allowed him to walk away to Georgia. I’m sure money was one reason he left, but fulmer should have went to the wall to get him the salary that would keep him at u.t. After garner left we were never as strong recruiting, especially in ga. I think he pushed the limit to n.c.a.a. Regulations though.

Garner was the TE coach at Tennessee, which is not considered a high profile assignment. Garner wanted to be a D-Line coach however with Dan Brooks coaching the D-Tackles and Steve Caldwell coaching the D-Ends Garner was not getting close to the defensive side of the ball.

In addition Garner was paid what was considered a very large sum of money for a coach whose primary function was to recruit by Georgia.

 

[Teirnon]

A National Championship to his credit makes your post a little silly don't you think?

So all National Championship winners would makes great ADs?

 

[autfan01]

This is the reason I never wanted Fulmer as AD, he doesn't have a proven record of hiring quality coaches. A couple perhaps, but few and far between. Hopefully he is using every tool at his disposal and at the press conference he did say you learn from past mistakes so maybe that will hold true. I thought the last couple of times there was an opening we could get this thing back on track but now I'm expecting the worst and hoping for the best.

1 National Championship, 2 SEC Championships, 5 East Championships. Nuff said. He knows what he is doing. If he had been left alone he would have turned the program around. We will never have that type success again. There is to many gotta win at all cost right now folks for a coach to be able to last at UT.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Not totally disagreeing with you, but if you were a head coach would you want assistants that left every couple of years or ones that stayed. I’m sure Spurrier would’ve kept Bob Stoops forever if he could have. Chief had said previously he was contacted about jobs but liked being a coordinator and I believe didn’t like recruiting as much. But if had left in 98, Phil may have had to hire 4 or 5 more, not to mention other assistants that would’ve perhaps went along with some of them. I guess I think it is a piece of the picture but maybe as not as big some think. I truly belief the worst loss of an assistant he ever had was Rodney Garner. Also, he’s a good example of a long time assistant, hugely successful, but not a head coach. As I said before, he only gave 4 coordinators in 16 years, and 2 of those were head coaches, so that is 50%

I'd rather have the best coaches available teaching my players. Look at Alabama. Other teams are constantly poaching his staff. Yet he makes another great hire and the machine keeps moving forward.

 

[posivol]

The Clawfense hung 60+ At Syracuse (More than Clemson), and broke the school scoring record at WFU this year in his 4th year starting with a barren cupboard that Grobe left.

Beat top 20 Temple last year and has a shot to beat A&M In the Belk Bowl. Clawson also beat NC State, Louisville, B.C.

He’s more accomplished than most people give him credit for.

:clapping:

a couple more years to install his scheme along w/ taj boyd coming and we would have had at least 3 more east titles....impatient fans killed it....thanks

 

[utvols74]

Fulmer had one of the best staffs in college football. He know his stuff. The only bad hire was in his last year with Dave Clawson at OC, but even now, Clawson has been successful everywhere he has been. On paper, it should have been a good hire.

....and as has been pointed out before...the caliber of coaching talent in the SEC during UT's NC year was sub-par to say the least....UGA, UAla, USCe, Aub, etc. were all mediocre. The only teams worth their salt was UF and UT won b/c of a missed, chip-shot field goal at the end and UArk with a inexplicable fumble at the end. Then in the BCS game, FSU was using their 3rd string QB. It was a perfect storm in Phil's favor. Not saying UT wasn't talented - they were - very. But UT "out-talented" most everyone they played.