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#153
#153
'Boro-vol said:
As I’ve said before…Kentucky fans are the most delusional, needlessly entitled bunch on the college football scene. One entire side of my family are UK fans/grads…I’ve seen it all my life. These delusions of grandeur, and episodes of little brother syndrome are not outliers. This is who they are. There is no team I relish beating more.
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For years I've seen Kentucky as Vandy wearing Blue uniforms. If they beat us 1 time in 20 years, that elevates their coach into a better job somewhere else. Tn just beat the team that I relish beating =Florida
 
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#154
#154
volfeeva said:
For years I've seen Kentucky as Vandy wearing Blue uniforms. If they beat us 1 time in 20 years, that elevates their coach into a better job somewhere else. Tn just beat the team that I relish beating =Florida
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I get it…probably as it should be. However I have a family connection, and have seen firsthand the lunacy of their fans. I cannot countenance losing to them even once. They’ve built that up in their minds as a monumental achievement, and an indictment of the Tennessee program. They really see themselves as an SEC blueblood football program, that has somehow been overlooked.
 
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#155
'Boro-vol said:
I get it…probably as it should be. However I have a family connection, and have seen firsthand the lunacy of their fans. I cannot countenance losing to them even once. They’ve built that up in their minds as a monumental achievement, and an indictment of the Tennessee program. They really see themselves as an SEC blueblood football program, that has somehow been overlooked.
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I’ve experienced this first hand traveling to Lexington. In years when they are convinced they’re going to win, some if their fanbase becomes completely unhinged.

It makes their tears even more salty when reality comes crashing down.
 
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#159
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Kentucky wildcat said:
and how is finishing second in the East quite often now competing near the top? The next step is the top. Not a bottom feeder anymore at all
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You don't understand the difference between being 2nd and having a realistic possibility of being 1st? You were a 5-3 team that finished behind an 8-0 team. You lost to that team 30-13 in a game nowhere near as close as the score. You finished ahead of UT ONLY because your schedule did NOT include Bama and Ole Miss... the top two teams in the West. You lost to UT and MSU who both finished 7-6. You weren't "competing" anywhere near "the top". You finished 2nd ONE other time recently. You finished 2 games behind UGA with losses to UGA, TAM, and.... UT.

You're already behind the 8 ball this year with a loss to OM... who probably isn't as good as MSU or UT.
 
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sjt18 said:
You don't understand the difference between being 2nd and having a realistic possibility of being 1st? You were a 5-3 team that finished behind an 8-0 team. You lost to that team 30-13 in a game nowhere near as close as the score. You finished ahead of UT ONLY because your schedule did NOT include Bama and Ole Miss... the top two teams in the West. You lost to UT and MSU who both finished 7-6. You weren't "competing" anywhere near "the top". You finished 2nd ONE other time recently. You finished 2 games behind UGA with losses to UGA, TAM, and.... UT.

You're already behind the 8 ball this year with a loss to OM... who probably isn't as good as MSU or UT.
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Kentucky is playing to their highest potential under stoops. Their program will never be a football powerhouse and their fans just can’t accept it after getting 10 wins a with a joke of a schedule
 
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#161
#161
Kentucky wildcat said:
I just don’t see the draw when he’s already having succes in the sec at a school he built from the bottom. I don’t think he has hit his peek yet. This is literally the first year he has had more than one skill guy that they can go to on any play. He’s just now getting better recruits. Is that not obvious to see? I get hating Kentucky or saying Tennessee owns them from history but without bias and just purely football Stoops has done an amazing job in every aspect. Kentucky is a tough team In the sec. I just don’t see goin to Wisconsin or somewhere like that exciting for Stoops at all. Go to a program with a decent winning history and risk not living up to expectations or stay at program that was literally the worst in the sec and have them competing towards the top of the sec every year. I just don’t see why anyone would want to leave. Then like most of y’all on here y’all don’t think he is a good coach so who in the sec would snatch him up that is above Kentucky or level. I don’t see Tennessee auburn a&m ole miss Georgia Bama lsu Florida ms st paying stoops a boat load of money to leave Kentucky
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We use Wisconsin as the poster child of a prime landing spot for a good coach like Stoops. It is a perfect situation for a good team to go far beyond what can be achieved in either division of the SEC. Simply because their division is weak and a talented team will be favored every game when they are not playing Mich or The Ohio St.
UK is a tough team and no one on their schedule should look past them, but there are much better situations and 100x easier paths to consistent New Year's day bowls than what is available to them in the SEC.

Stoops may be wildly happy at UK winning and being beloved by the fanbase. If I was a coach I would rather be a hero in Lexington winning 8-9 games some years and 10 twice per decade, which is a sign of great coaching with the football culture in Lexington. I would rather make 5mil in Lexington pleasing the fans and donors than 7-8mil at Auburn where you can get crucified just for not beating BAMA every other year. Stoops may stay and continue to succeed for 10-12 years.
He may also be wanting to win a championship and Natty, which is going to be next to impossible at UK. Then he might entertain offers from traditional football powers. He could also use those offers to simply cushion his seat with pay raises at UK. Either way, it will be nerve racking for UK fans watching him hold court with ADs from hiring schools, not knowing if he could leave, or he is just using meetings for leverage in salary negotiations with UK.

It is an infinitely better football problem for UK fans than simply being mediocre to awful like it was prior to Stoops.
 
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#162
#162
RockyTop140 said:
Kentucky is playing to their highest potential under stoops. Their program will never be a football powerhouse and their fans just can’t accept it after getting 10 wins a with a joke of a schedule
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I think you are right in particular about the schedule. They can't seem to factor in how much an advantage it is to have MSU as their permanent crossover as opposed to Bama, Auburn, and LSU (UT, UGA, UF). For that matter, USCe got stuck with TAM. They'll never compete talent wise in that one.
 
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#163
#163
Kentucky wildcat said:
I do believe it will be another good game. I got Tennessee winning in a thriller but could very well get ugly. Never know what team will show up in college football
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They do have this game circled, as they do every year. Beating them last year has driven them crazy, may be too hyped and QB needs to help his draft and will probably try and carry team on his shoulders and throw 3 INTS..
 
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#164
#164
SpookyAction said:
Would you rather have Clemson's path to the playoffs or Kentucky's path to the playoffs?
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I get that. We were talking about proving you were elite. I get Clemson is in a weak football conference so go there to prove you are elite? Still will face Bama or Georgia regardless.
 
#165
#165
Imallvol said:
They do have this game circled, as they do every year. Beating them last year has driven them crazy, may be too hyped and QB needs to help his draft and will probably try and carry team on his shoulders and throw 3 INTS..
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That could be true but he isn’t terrible. Overhyped yea but not terrible. I was drained after the ole miss game because the way they gave the game away but he is not a bad qb
 
#166
#166
SpookyAction said:
We use Wisconsin as the poster child of a prime landing spot for a good coach like Stoops. It is a perfect situation for a good team to go far beyond what can be achieved in either division of the SEC. Simply because their division is weak and a talented team will be favored every game when they are not playing Mich or The Ohio St.
UK is a tough team and no one on their schedule should look past them, but there are much better situations and 100x easier paths to consistent New Year's day bowls than what is available to them in the SEC.

Stoops may be wildly happy at UK winning and being beloved by the fanbase. If I was a coach I would rather be a hero in Lexington winning 8-9 games some years and 10 twice per decade, which is a sign of great coaching with the football culture in Lexington. I would rather make 5mil in Lexington pleasing the fans and donors than 7-8mil at Auburn where you can get crucified just for not beating BAMA every other year. Stoops may stay and continue to succeed for 10-12 years.
He may also be wanting to win a championship and Natty, which is going to be next to impossible at UK. Then he might entertain offers from traditional football powers. He could also use those offers to simply cushion his seat with pay raises at UK. Either way, it will be nerve racking for UK fans watching him hold court with ADs from hiring schools, not knowing if he could leave, or he is just using meetings for leverage in salary negotiations with UK.

It is an infinitely better football problem for UK fans than simply being mediocre to awful like it was prior to Stoops.
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I’m not disagreeing about that will give him a easier route to the playoffs but if he was trying to prove he is elite he would be able to do big things at Kentucky like he is doing. He literally accomplished everything except beating Georgia . Don’t have to beat Bama to make it to the playoffs just have to win the East and more than likely you are in. If the 12 team playoff was already in play they would of made the playoff several times already. It seems like people talk about how it took him so long but he had to build the program. He’s not a high flyer that got loaded with five start recruits. The most success has been towards the last several years. Kentucky fans don’t love him for the six and seven win seasons towards the beginning of his time in Lexington or the Covid year. Hell Kentucky basketball won nine games that year. Worst in program history.
 
#167
#167
sjt18 said:
You don't understand the difference between being 2nd and having a realistic possibility of being 1st? You were a 5-3 team that finished behind an 8-0 team. You lost to that team 30-13 in a game nowhere near as close as the score. You finished ahead of UT ONLY because your schedule did NOT include Bama and Ole Miss... the top two teams in the West. You lost to UT and MSU who both finished 7-6. You weren't "competing" anywhere near "the top". You finished 2nd ONE other time recently. You finished 2 games behind UGA with losses to UGA, TAM, and.... UT.

You're already behind the 8 ball this year with a loss to OM... who probably isn't as good as MSU or UT.
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The argument was moving to a weak conference to have a easier path to the playoffs but y’all always talk about Kentucky’s easy schedule. That’s not stoops fault he has taken advantage of that. And as far as how good ole miss is we will find out. Next few weeks will tell a lot about Tennessee and Kentucky.
 
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#170
#170
Kentucky wildcat said:
The argument was moving to a weak conference to have a easier path to the playoffs but y’all always talk about Kentucky’s easy schedule. That’s not stoops fault he had taken advantage of that. And as far as how good ole miss is we will find out. Next few weeks will tell a lot about Tennessee and Kentucky.
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Well. You can't strip something of its context like that and then dismiss the merit. UK has a relatively weak schedule because their permanent crossover isn't very likely to compete for the SEC championship any time soon either. But even with that advantage the likelihood of UK winning the East is very low and winning the SEC is pretty close to zero. The reason for that is that the recruiting situation is a huge disadvantage that can't be changed outside of a massive migration of talent to Kentucky HSFB. The other piece is that UK's commitment from fans and financiers is not on the level of the programs much more likely to win the division and conference. UT, UF, UGA, Bama, Auburn, TAM, and LSU in particular spend a LOT more money on football and recruiting than UK does.

They paired the permanent crossovers based on historic wins. Bama is the winningest program in the West. UT is historically the winningest program in the East. I believe UGA and Auburn come next followed by UF and LSU... and so on. I am personally not a person who favors tradition for tradition's sake. I think all of the crossover games should rotate or else should not count against the division record. That definitely should be the case when 2 teams are added to the SEC and the conference receives an automatic bid for its championship into the BCS.
 
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#172
'Boro-vol said:
I get it…probably as it should be. However I have a family connection, and have seen firsthand the lunacy of their fans. I cannot countenance losing to them even once. They’ve built that up in their minds as a monumental achievement, and an indictment of the Tennessee program. They really see themselves as an SEC blueblood football program, that has somehow been overlooked.
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Tenn has been playing Kentucky since 1893 and Tenn has 82 wins vs 26 losses. Since 1985 Kentucky has only won 4 games out of the 36 games played. Without even looking at the rest of the SEC, I'm betting they have about the same losing record with everyone except Vandy. Kentucky as blueblood football program? They must be hitting the jug.
 
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#173
#173
volfeeva said:
Tenn has been playing Kentucky since 1893 and Tenn has 82 wins vs 26 losses. Since 1985 Kentucky has only won 4 games out of the 36 games played. Without even looking at the rest of the SEC, I'm betting they have about the same losing record with everyone except Vandy. Kentucky as blueblood football program? They must be hitting the jug.
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Or smoking too much methR (24).gif
 
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#175
sjt18 said:
Well. You can't strip something of its context like that and then dismiss the merit. UK has a relatively weak schedule because their permanent crossover isn't very likely to compete for the SEC championship any time soon either. But even with that advantage the likelihood of UK winning the East is very low and winning the SEC is pretty close to zero. The reason for that is that the recruiting situation is a huge disadvantage that can't be changed outside of a massive migration of talent to Kentucky HSFB. The other piece is that UK's commitment from fans and financiers is not on the level of the programs much more likely to win the division and conference. UT, UF, UGA, Bama, Auburn, TAM, and LSU in particular spend a LOT more money on football and recruiting than UK does.

They paired the permanent crossovers based on historic wins. Bama is the winningest program in the West. UT is historically the winningest program in the East. I believe UGA and Auburn come next followed by UF and LSU... and so on. I am personally not a person who favors tradition for tradition's sake. I think all of the crossover games should rotate or else should not count against the division record. That definitely should be the case when 2 teams are added to the SEC and the conference receives an automatic bid for its championship into the BCS.
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I agree with everything you said. But as a UK fan I know all of those things are true for the most part. Stoops gives belief that he can change some of that. He already has. Even if teams have been down or they have a week schedule he has shown it is possible to have good teams at Kentucky. He gives a chance of winning and at Kentucky that is awesome. When it comes to football we all know what Kentucky football has been traditionally. That’s why it is so hard to give them any credit even if they have a solid team each year. If he keeps winning games it will keep getting better he is always improving. I think it is because he genuinely likes Kentucky and has had good people around him since he’s been here like his best friend since childhood. I think he really cares about changing the narrative and the support for the program. It’s come a long way and I think that’s why he will be there for a long time. Seems like he really puts in work and attracts a certain type of players. He has won games that Kentucky didn’t use to win against a bunch of teams. He doesn’t really have to win a championship to be loved over there tbh that’s just the truth but there’s always a small hope for a couple miracle games against the georgias and Bamas. I mean how many sec teams will win a championship in the next thirty years besides Bama and Georgia. It’s not easy to do anywhere
 
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