Hendrix opens up about transfer

[roddo518]

Coach Jones is a driven individual from what I've seen. Those types of individuals can't relate to personalities that are not. So if you are a player that have flaws and are not willing to address it thru effort, he will more than likely rub you the wrong way. It's like that in every aspect of a job, task, or goal. Those types are the same types that run Fortune 500 companies, the best in certain trades, etc. The ones that remain on this team will thrive in that scenario, the ones that can't will be replaced with those individuals that do. A team will almost always take on the personality of a good coach. The great thing about this, is that it will eventually achieve the main goal or get very close. Relentless Effort is generally rewarded regardless of the goal. The problem that occurs in this scenario is that often the ones that complain or make excuses about the task never turn the mirror on themselves. Those type personalities lay blame on others, it can never be themselves. That is why you see a cuss word, home sickness, class load, etc being offered up as excuses to why individuals are not succeeding. Trust me on this, I've taught school and coached football for 23 years. I am an expert on personalities and traits. I have a new batch every year to assess.

BTW: sjt, you need to listen more and self reflect on your own knowledge. The problem you are finding in response to several of your posts dealing with the team is that you take one bit of data and paint it into a broad problem. You rarely take into consideration all the variables to a situation. It's like given the task to build a golf course. You would design a great course on paper, but never use or look at the tract of land involved.

 

[sjt18]

Never heard any cussing at players, other than get your ass in gear.
I keep hearing about him cussing over the microphone. It's not like Haslam Field is out in the country. Some reporter would have written it by now.

Yeah. If it happened at an outdoor practice then it was whispered, not yelled.

Not trying to get you to give up your "cover" but are you involved in the program or were you just around the facility?

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

There is a difference between questioning some things, and constantly questioning all things. You act as though you seem to have all the answers.

You don't? I mean you always seem to have something to say but never say anything. You played college ball and are a coach, but you never impart any of your coaching wisdom. Why?

As a coach I'm sure that you can see the issues we have at DL, TB and TE concerning depth. You've probably analyzed the rosters, stat sheets, projected recruiting needs and so on, because that's what's natural for a coach to do, so why not give us some input? From you, a coach's perspective?

 

[roddo518]

You don't? I mean you always seem to have something to say but never say anything. You played college ball and are a coach, but you never impart any of your coaching wisdom. Why?

As a coach I'm sure that you can see the issues we have at DL, TB and TE concerning depth. You've probably analyzed the rosters, stat sheets, projected recruiting needs and so on, because that's what's natural for a coach to do, so why not give us some input? From you, a coach's perspective?

As an ex coach, I'll try to answer it. You see a TE shortage. Let's say you had two tes. Yes we need more tes, but addressing that problem is not to go out and recruit 4 tes in this class. You recruit 1 or 2 this year, and the next, and possibly the next if some did not workout. After 4 years you would have your depth. You, as in you, never take into consideration the next year in addressing depth. It is not good to have a bunch at the same position in one class. Imo, CBJ is addressing depth, but it takes time to build it with quality. Unfortunately, most on here want all depth issues to be resolved in this class. It most certainly does not work that way.

 

[sjt18]

Your statements connote dishonesty regarding your military experience. Unless you were just deballed through marriage, you're simply full of crap.

Nope. It was a few years ago. But absolutely true.

The DI's I knew, and the ones who I still know at Ft. Jackson would laugh so hard at you, you'd be crying like a little girl.

Nope. I'm old now... but still NOPE.

In basic training you don't question your DI!

I didn't say specifically during basic training but even then it isn't absolute. The soldier is REQUIRED to report or question anything he sees that may be illegal or unethical at a bare minimum.

I've been there... I've TAUGHT THE CLASS. I've seen the complaints. I've seen DI's disciplined.

Afterward, you maintain the chain of command to question your superior officers.

You don't know nearly as much as you think you do.

Twittering that crybaby drivel drove Hendrix's validity over the proverbial cliff. Had these three been as valuable to CBJ as is Pig or Marlin, he'd work at keeping them in the fold, and I promise you they'd still be there.

YOu also don't know as much about this situation as you think you do. Stripling made it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that they wanted Hendrix to stay. They tried to get him to stay. Stripling said they were "frustrated" that he wouldn't stay.

They don't want to earn that big ol' orange T, then bye bye. Now, referring to football: As a Kingston Yellowjacket, I was part of three state championship football programs. Coach Plemmons was as hard on players, certainly me, as any coach I've seen, but we all knew who could handle the pressure and who would whimper and whine when true fortitude was needed. crying is always crying, faux brass. Commanded DI's...right.lol:lol:lol:

Act like a moron and believe what you want. I have absolutely no reason to make it up.

I played in the same HS program as one of a past UT player who was called the best athlete to play his position at UT... ever.

We won championships to include the state while being about half the enrollment we were supposed to be to play in our classification. I played for on of NC's winningest HS coaches. I don't know the coach you played for but my coach pushed us as hard as any I'd seen before or since. We were yelled at and at times treated like pieces of crap. The rules have changed but "quitting time" for our practices was after sprints. Sprints began when it was too dark to scrimmage.


And.... none of the non-sense you've brought up demonstrates that the staff didn't make mistakes with Hendrix.... either when they signed him or how they coached him.

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

Your statements connote dishonesty regarding your military experience. Unless you were just deballed through marriage, you're simply full of crap. The DI's I knew, and the ones who I still know at Ft. Jackson would laugh so hard at you, you'd be crying like a little girl. In basic training you don't question your DI! Afterward, you maintain the chain of command to question your superior officers. Twittering that crybaby drivel drove Hendrix's validity over the proverbial cliff. Had these three been as valuable to CBJ as is Pig or Marlin, he'd work at keeping them in the fold, and I promise you they'd still be there. They don't want to earn that big ol' orange T, then bye bye. Now, referring to football: As a Kingston Yellowjacket, I was part of three state championship football programs. Coach Plemmons was as hard on players, certainly me, as any coach I've seen, but we all knew who could handle the pressure and who would whimper and whine when true fortitude was needed. crying is always crying, faux brass. Commanded DI's...right.lol:lol:lol:

Look, I can understand your need to maybe question his fandom, but to question his character concerning his military experience is way out of bounds. Especially coming from a fellow soldier. (you were in the Army correct?) I understand the issue we have with false valor, but I don't know of a worse way to insult a soldier, actually an Army Officer, than to question his integrity. Especially in a forum like this where he has no avenue to defend himself.

There are quite a few of us on here that are prior or active duty military that can't, shouldn't and better not get into any specifics about what they do or did.

 

[sjt18]

As an ex coach, I'll try to answer it. You see a TE shortage. Let's say you had two tes. Yes we need more tes, but addressing that problem is not to go out and recruit 4 tes in this class. You recruit 1 or 2 this year, and the next, and possibly the next if some did not workout. After 4 years you would have your depth. You, as in you, never take into consideration the next year in addressing depth. It is not good to have a bunch at the same position in one class. Imo, CBJ is addressing depth, but it takes time to build it with quality. Unfortunately, most on here want all depth issues to be resolved in this class. It most certainly does not work that way.

This is absolutely true. However you cannot spread your recruiting out then lose half of them to attrition. It forces you to do what you really don't want to do... bunch up recruits at a position.

I know people don't want to face it. But if you recruit 8 guys to a position group over two years and at the end of two years 4 are gone... then there's a problem. Maybe it is the recruiting profile. Maybe its the coaching. Maybe the kid successfully misrepresented themselves... but 50% attrition is not something that Jones can or will accept.

If the people here do not think he sees that as a problem... they're out of their minds. But when someone points it out here... they go ballistic.

 

[roddo518]

This is absolutely true. However you cannot spread your recruiting out then lose half of them to attrition. It forces you to do what you really don't want to do... bunch up recruits at a position.

I know people don't want to face it. But if you recruit 8 guys to a position group over two years and at the end of two years 4 are gone... then there's a problem. Maybe it is the recruiting profile. Maybe its the coaching. Maybe the kid successfully misrepresented themselves... but 50% attrition is not something that Jones can or will accept.

If the people here do not think he sees that as a problem... they're out of their minds. But when someone points it out here... they go ballistic.

Possibly, but if you brought in 34 and 4 didn't work out, that would be a success. To answer your example, if you recruit 8 to a position group and 4 are left after two years, then after 4 years you would have a quality 8 at the position. I'm happy with that. I think CBJ is just amassing stud after stud at almost all the positions, and after a few years we will have the best of the best at every position. Then it's just replenish the spots needed as they leave. I would definitely deem it a success if you recruited 8 and a quality 4 were left each two year period.

 

[landscapingvol]

You don't? I mean you always seem to have something to say but never say anything. You played college ball and are a coach, but you never impart any of your coaching wisdom. Why?

As a coach I'm sure that you can see the issues we have at DL, TB and TE concerning depth. You've probably analyzed the rosters, stat sheets, projected recruiting needs and so on, because that's what's natural for a coach to do, so why not give us some input? From you, a coach's perspective?

I played baseball. The most critical in any walk of life are the ones who have done the least. This board is no exception to that rule.

 

[VOODOOVOL]

Yeah. If it happened at an outdoor practice then it was whispered, not yelled.

Not trying to get you to give up your "cover" but are you involved in the program or were you just around the facility?

Not employed by the program, just get to hang out when I'm in Knoxville.
Actually goes back to Majors.

 

[Poppa T]

Too much drama up in here, lately.

There will always be issues when dealing with this many young men in a competitive environment. My perception is CBJ will practice what he preaches, that being ...every moment (good or bad) is a teaching moment. I believe he applies that to himself, his coaches and support staff, not just the student-athlete. If there is a "problem" relative to attrition/transfers it will be addressed.

In the meantime there is this ... Tennessee season review - SEC Blog - ESPN

 

[landscapingvol]

This is absolutely true. However you cannot spread your recruiting out then lose half of them to attrition. It forces you to do what you really don't want to do... bunch up recruits at a position.

I know people don't want to face it. But if you recruit 8 guys to a position group over two years and at the end of two years 4 are gone... then there's a problem. Maybe it is the recruiting profile. Maybe its the coaching. Maybe the kid successfully misrepresented themselves... but 50% attrition is not something that Jones can or will accept.

If the people here do not think he sees that as a problem... they're out of their minds. But when someone points it out here... they go ballistic.

Again, the only thing you and your ilk point out are problems. Is Butch Jones the next Bear Bryant? Probably not. Has he done a good job at UT thus far? Yep. It really isn't much more complicated than that. However, you constantly knit pick every move he makes and every word that is said. Carry on with your "constructive criticism".

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

As an ex coach, I'll try to answer it. You see a TE shortage. Let's say you had two tes. Yes we need more tes, but addressing that problem is not to go out and recruit 4 tes in this class. You recruit 1 or 2 this year, and the next, and possibly the next if some did not workout. After 4 years you would have your depth. You, as in you, never take into consideration the next year in addressing depth. It is not good to have a bunch at the same position in one class. Imo, CBJ is addressing depth, but it takes time to build it with quality. Unfortunately, most on here want all depth issues to be resolved in this class. It most certainly does not work that way.

No you wouldn't. Because under your scenario there would never be the possibility of a redshirt. You have to over recruit that position at some point in order to create that buffer to build depth with redshirts. If you don't attrition will never be overcame.

You're looking at it as merely a numbers issue. Depth is not about the number of bodies. It's about quality. You can't build depth by simply plugging another guy in. Unless their Jason Whitten, it does take some development to build depth. That's what you obviously don't get.

I would think that is the biggest reason CBJ took three TE's last year (over recruiting). I would be willing to bet that he probably wanted to redshirt two of them because of the huge gap we had/have in depth (experienced quality players). Two played and one was redshirted. He Probably didn't expect to lose one of those guys so soon. That's why he only recruited one TE this year. You can't build depth by perpetually having to play true freshman. At some point you have to get ahead.

 

[roddo518]

No you wouldn't. Because under your scenario there would never be the possibility of a redshirt. You have to over recruit that position at some point in order to create that buffer to build depth with redshirts. If you don't attrition will never be overcame.

You're looking at it as merely a numbers issue. Depth is not about the number of bodies. It's about quality. You can't build depth by simply plugging another guy in. Unless their Jason Whitten, it does take some development to build depth. That's what you obviously don't get.

I would think that is the biggest reason CBJ took three TE's last year (over recruiting). I would be willing to bet that he probably wanted to redshirt two of them because of the huge gap we had/have in depth (experienced quality players). Two played and one was redshirted. He Probably didn't expect to lose one of those guys so soon. That's why he only recruited one TE this year. You can't build depth by perpetually having to play true freshman. At some point you have to get ahead.

But what you don't get in this is that just because you need 4 tes, there might not be 4 quality tes available that want to be a Vol or that will provide the quality you speak of. Attrition happens. It happens at alabama too, that's why we are ecstatic to get kamara. It's a huge puzzle, and none on here can see the board, so it's just a guess as to what is really going on in the coaching situation room. I don't have access to the major plan that CBJ has on addressing depth, but that's why he gets paid the big bucks. I trust that problems that are occurring are being addressed. You do realize that about 4 players drop out of each class per year on the norm. 34 is not a normal size class, so I am shocked there aren't more already. I am not gonna cry or whine about the players that left or leave, IMO they just didn't fit. For every 4 that leave there are 4 that want to be here. Sooner or later we will have 85 that have Butch's and our goal in mind.

 

[sameolvol]

Look, I can understand your need to maybe question his fandom, but to question his character concerning his military experience is way out of bounds. Especially coming from a fellow soldier. (you were in the Army correct?) I understand the issue we have with false valor, but I don't know of a worse way to insult a soldier, actually an Army Officer, than to question his integrity. Especially in a forum like this where he has no avenue to defend himself.

There are quite a few of us on here that are prior or active duty military that can't, shouldn't and better not get into any specifics about what they do or did.

The military, as most of us discover later in life, is recognized as a valuable contribution to any individual's life. If that's the only meaningful contribution, though, then it's become more like a religion. I don't readily doubt fellow soldiers, but I sincerely doubt this individual's veracity regarding his prior experiences. I base this on his prevalent propensity to openly doubt what he doesn't clearly and fully understand, and to state it while being oblivious to his lacking of evidence supporting his displeasure. Act like this in theater, then you're court marshaled. I also base my particular' opinion on this individual's history of (for lacking a better term) crying all the time on this site. You don't recognize his whiny aptitude? Is this the normal aptitude for a leader of men? How would you deal with such shallow repartee from someone under your command? My rebuttal was to him...and not you...so bug off and let go of your valor-studded dogma. I've known a lot of outstanding people in my long life...and, commendable as serving the USA in its military definitely is, most of us get over the overt grandeur many make of it. At ease, soldier.:salute:

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

The military, as most of us discover later in life, is cogently recognized as a valuable contribution to any individual's life. If that's the only meaningful contribution, though, then it's become more like a religion. I don't readily doubt fellow soldiers, but I sincerely doubt this individual's veracity regarding his prior experiences. I base this on his prevalent propensity to openly doubt what he doesn't clearly and fully understand, and to state it while being oblivious to his lacking of evidence supporting his displeasur. I also base my particular' opinion on this individual's history of (for lacking a better term) crying all the time on this site. You don't perceive his whiny aptitude? My rebuttal was to him...and not you...so bug off and let go of your valor-studded dogma. I've known a lot of outstanding people in my long life...and, commendable as serving the USA in its military definitely is, most of us get over the overt grandeur many make of it. At ease, soldier.:salute:

Well stated and very eloquent. Of course I wouldn't expect anything less from a retired record executive, published author and screenwriter. However, from the context of your reply I take it that you have never served or if you have it has been many years since. If you have never served then I wouldn't expect you to fully understand the experience of serving and what it means on a personal level, especially if one has retired from the military. If you have served then you have obviously forgotten. Or as you say "you have got over the overt grandeur". Well, good for you. I will readily admit that I have yet to get over it and hope never to.

As far as me bugging off, it will never happen when it comes to me defending those that are serving, have served or will serve.


I guess I shouldn't be too surprised that there are members here that actually gave you a like for suggesting that those of us who are military types should get over the overt grandeur and let go of the valor-studded dogma that so many of us employ.

 

[volger]

This thread tuned funky. But then again what threads don't?

 

[OrangeDog]

This thread tuned funky. But then again what threads don't?

yep, but most of the time you can read a 1 maybe 2 sentence post...........

I can't read these novels.


I don't have the focus or stamina anymore.

 

[sameolvol]

Well stated and very eloquent. Of course I wouldn't expect anything less from a retired record executive, published author and screenwriter. However, from the context of your reply I take it that you have never served or if you have it has been many years since. If you have never served then I wouldn't expect you to fully understand the experience of serving and what it means on a personal level, especially if one has retired from the military. If you have served then you have obviously forgotten. Or as you say "you have got over the overt grandeur". Well, good for you. I will readily admit that I have yet to get over it and hope never to.

As far as me bugging off, it will never happen when it comes to me defending those that are serving, have served or will serve.

I served...TC for the 7th Cavalry Division, but probably far before you could even salute. I just carried on with my life, most truly horrendous memories kept available but not on a the trophy shelf of my identity. Now YOU'RE doubting a former soldier's veracity. Shame on you. Hypocritical, wouldn't you say? Truth be told, you have just sided with the crying one and are defensive over your past military status. Thanks for your service.

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

I served...TC for the 7th Cavalry Division, but probably far before you could even salute. I just carried on with my life, most truly horrendous memories kept available but not on a the trophy shelf of my identity. Now YOU'RE doubting a former soldier's veracity. Shame on you. Hypocritical, wouldn't you say? Truth be told, you have just sided with the crying one and are defensive over your past military status. Thanks for your service.

Doesn't feel so good does it?

I understand you not wanting to hold those memories in the forefront, however for some of us they tend to remind us of our humanity. You were in a dark place and there wasn't much of anything positive that came from that war. I'm assuming Vietnam, your 13 years older than me so I might have been able to salute.

Through two wars and a conflict I can still find the good in what we did and accomplished over the years. Somalia, the Congo, Hati, Bosnia, so many embassy evacs that I can't remember them all and many many more. Yes, I am damn proud and I'm not apologetic for it.

So yeah, I sided with sjt18. He has high standards and expectations, the military has a funny way of doing that to a person. There is no try, only do. There is no excuse, only solutions. Failure is not an option. etc and so on. More so about his service than anything else. But I would do it for anyone, even you.

 

[VOODOOVOL]

Doesn't feel so good does it?

I understand you not wanting to hold those memories in the forefront, however for some of us they tend to remind us of our humanity. You were in a dark place and there wasn't much of anything positive that came from that war. I'm assuming Vietnam, your 13 years older than me so I might have been able to salute.

Through two wars and a conflict I can still find the good in what we did and accomplished over the years. Somalia, the Congo, Hati, Bosnia, so many embassy evacs that I can't remember them all and many many more. Yes, I am damn proud and I'm not apologetic for it.

So yeah, I sided with sjt18. He has high standards and expectations, the military has a funny way of doing that to a person. There is no try, only do. There is no excuse, only solutions. Failure is not an option. etc and so on. More so about his service than anything else. But I would do it for anyone, even you.

So I'm guessing you're familiar with the Jeppensen Computer.

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

So I'm guessing you're familiar with the Jeppensen Computer.

People still use those? LOL I'm old but we did have INS and then the next big thing in GPS. Yeah, that was part of basic UPT, seems like a hundred years ago.

 

[VOODOOVOL]

People still use those? LOL I'm old but we did have INS and then the next big thing in GPS. Yeah, that was part of basic UPT, seems like a hundred years ago.

If you couldn't learn how to use that aluminum crap, you couldn't advance.

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

Not employed by the program, just get to hang out when I'm in Knoxville.
Actually goes back to Majors.

That wasn't you in 82 that Bobby Jackson ran into on the sideline and split his head open when he hit the side of an equipment cart was it? lol He ran into an "observer" during a scrimmage while he was running behind Ken Jones on a scoop and score during a scrimmage. Supposedly that's where the old "Jackson" rule materialized barring "observer's" from practice.

I think Majors almost fell out of the tower laughing until he figured out that his D-coordinator needed several stitches.

That's what I heard anyway.

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

If you couldn't learn how to use that aluminum crap, you couldn't advance.

That thing has been around since the 1930's. E6B. We still had to carry them even though we had dual head INS and FSAS (fuel savings and advisory system) and even a flight engineer and sometimes a navigator.