Helton's offense, QB run question ?

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I know Helton ran Brohm's offense at WKU and they did have some neatly designed QB runs. They weren't QB run heavy but every once in a while QB would just take off to keep the defenses guessing and honest. I do not remember USC running those plays with Tee and Helton as Co-OCs.

Does anyone here know if Helton's offense has those elements ? Or was that more Brohm thing ?

I am surprised we did not try a single run play with JG. I know he is not Dobbs with his legs but WKU offense did not have a big time runner too. Just little runs here and there.

Thoughts ? Insights ?
 
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volmandu said:
I know Helton ran Brohm's offense at WKU and they did have some neatly designed QB runs. They weren't QB run heavy but every once in a while QB would just take off to keep the defenses guessing and honest. I do not remember USC running those plays with Tee and Helton as Co-OCs.

Does anyone here know if Helton's offense has those elements ? Or was that more Brohm thing ?

I am surprised we did not try a single run play with JG. I know he is not Dobbs with his legs but WKU offense did not have a big time runner too. Just little runs here and there.

Thoughts ? Insights ?
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I just don't think guarantano is a running quarterback
 
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I have two theories:
1. This was the first game so they might've kept QB runs under wraps for Florida.

2. There are no QB runs because JG is a pro style QB who was for some reason categorized as a dual threat QB.
 
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We need to get over the idea that there are Josh Dobbs all over the recruiting landscape out there. He was a once in a generation type player on The Hill. Hurts at Bama has the running ability but not the mind to read defenses combined with Josh's arm. Looking back we now all know how much his talent covered for a lot of other issues taking place under Jones. JG is JG, Dobbs was Dobbs, we did see JG tuck and try to get to the goal line and it did not happen.
 
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There was one read option where he could have gained 10-20 yards if he would have kept it.
 
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volmandu said:
I know Helton ran Brohm's offense at WKU and they did have some neatly designed QB runs. They weren't QB run heavy but every once in a while QB would just take off to keep the defenses guessing and honest. I do not remember USC running those plays with Tee and Helton as Co-OCs.

Does anyone here know if Helton's offense has those elements ? Or was that more Brohm thing ?

I am surprised we did not try a single run play with JG. I know he is not Dobbs with his legs but WKU offense did not have a big time runner too. Just little runs here and there.

Thoughts ? Insights ?
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Probably because he doesn't like any options at QB past JG, so why risk getting him injured unless absolutely necessary?
 
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JG was never a dual threat QB in HS. He reclassified from “Pro Style” to “Dual Threat” his senior year so he would be rated higher in recruiting because that year there were fewer highly rated dual threat QBs.
 
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Except for a couple possessions I really liked the play calling. Be glad Jordan is as tough as he is. There was no holes to drive a tank through Saturday. But Helton called a very good game I thought.
 
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Remy said:
We need to get over the idea that there are Josh Dobbs all over the recruiting landscape out there. He was a once in a generation type player on The Hill. Hurts at Bama has the running ability but not the mind to read defenses combined with Josh's arm. Looking back we now all know how much his talent covered for a lot of other issues taking place under Jones. JG is JG, Dobbs was Dobbs, we did see JG tuck and try to get to the goal line and it did not happen.
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Do you read posts before commenting or just comment ? The entire post is based on Idea that JG isn't Dobbs but Helton has designed QB runs before with QBs who weren't dual threats. Some people here just comment for the sake of it ..smh !
 
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volmandu said:
I know Helton ran Brohm's offense at WKU and they did have some neatly designed QB runs. They weren't QB run heavy but every once in a while QB would just take off to keep the defenses guessing and honest. I do not remember USC running those plays with Tee and Helton as Co-OCs.

Does anyone here know if Helton's offense has those elements ? Or was that more Brohm thing ?

I am surprised we did not try a single run play with JG. I know he is not Dobbs with his legs but WKU offense did not have a big time runner too. Just little runs here and there.

Thoughts ? Insights ?
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What?

He has never called plays. He didn't at WKU. He was not co anything at USC. Just a qb coach. he had some "input" on play calls. That is it.
 
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FBtime said:
JG was never a dual threat QB in HS. He reclassified from “Pro Style” to “Dual Threat” his senior year so he would be rated higher in recruiting because that year there were fewer highly rated dual threat QBs.
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Wait, what? He "reclassified" for a higher ranking?

That isn't how recruiting rankings work. lol
 
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JP got asked about JG not having any designed QB runs Saturday. Believe he said something like running would put him at more risk of taking hits and getting injured and that’s not what they want to happen right now.
 
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k-town_king said:
What?

He has never called plays. He didn't at WKU. He was not co anything at USC. Just a qb coach. he had some "input" on play calls. That is it.
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Been documented many times now that he called 3rd down passing situation plays at USC.

Tee called 1st and 2nd down plays, and HC Clay Helton gave input when he felt it necessary.
 
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No it has not. People on here said that. Tee, Clay, and Tyson said he had "input". Tee made the final call with input from the other two. He did not make the play calls.
 
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k-town_king said:
What?

He has never called plays. He didn't at WKU. He was not co anything at USC. Just a qb coach. he had some "input" on play calls. That is it.
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While Brohm called the plays, Brohm has said before that him & Helton desinged the plays so I was curious if those were all Brohm's design or Helton contibued that scheme.
 
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Remy said:
We need to get over the idea that there are Josh Dobbs all over the recruiting landscape out there. He was a once in a generation type player on The Hill. Hurts at Bama has the running ability but not the mind to read defenses combined with Josh's arm. Looking back we now all know how much his talent covered for a lot of other issues taking place under Jones. JG is JG, Dobbs was Dobbs, we did see JG tuck and try to get to the goal line and it did not happen.
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Haha yeah if that was Dobbs that ball is going in the mfin end zone no doubt
 
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k-town_king said:
No it has not. People on here said that. Tee, Clay, and Tyson said he had "input". Tee made the final call with input from the other two. He did not make the play calls.
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Here dude, read this ....

“Offensive coordinator Tee Martin calls plays on first and second down. If third down is a passing situation, quarterbacks coach Tyson Helton calls the play while his brother, USC coach Clay Helton, offers input between drives.”

USC’s three-headed monster leads to seamless play-calling
 
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I am not knocking JG at all with this but watching him run last year he didn't look very mobile. McBride seemed faster running. I think he can be a QB that runs a few times to pick up 3 or 4 yards but I don't think we should look for him to carry more than a couple of time a game. I never see him being used as runner like Dobbs, although most QBs cannot run like Dobbs.
 
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KBVol said:
Been documented many times now that he called 3rd down passing situation plays at USC.

Tee called 1st and 2nd down plays, and HC Clay Helton gave input when he felt it necessary.
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How Tyson Helton plans to approach play-calling for Tennessee Vols offense
At USC, Helton worked under offensive coordinator Tee Martin, the former Vols quarterback. Helton said Martin “allowed me to be a part of” the play-calling process.

Tennessee Vols: Tyson Helton’s Play Calling Experience

I’m there when Tee (Martin) needs me. I’m always trying to stay a play ahead. When he looks to me for a call, I always have a call ready. Particularly the third downs, I’m always ready in that area. We just kind of share that a little bit. Tee does a great job with it. But that’s kind of our philosophy to always stay a play ahead and then when we get in that situation and he needs me, I’ll make a call for him.




Input only. Didn't call third down plays. Tee may have went with his suggestions. But he was not the play caller. Unless you don't believe Helton himself.
 
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Helton is probably still discovering his own identity as an OC. He’s new to being responsible for the entire offense, and it seems like he’s doing a great job.

My opinion is no more valuable than anyone else’s but I don’t think our use of JG is a problem. The ONLY thing that set us back on offense against WV was the offensive line’s execution. I think our players are operating in a system very capable of producing a championship.
 
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k-town_king said:
How Tyson Helton plans to approach play-calling for Tennessee Vols offense
At USC, Helton worked under offensive coordinator Tee Martin, the former Vols quarterback. Helton said Martin “allowed me to be a part of” the play-calling process.

Tennessee Vols: Tyson Helton’s Play Calling Experience

I’m there when Tee (Martin) needs me. I’m always trying to stay a play ahead. When he looks to me for a call, I always have a call ready. Particularly the third downs, I’m always ready in that area. We just kind of share that a little bit. Tee does a great job with it. But that’s kind of our philosophy to always stay a play ahead and then when we get in that situation and he needs me, I’ll make a call for him.




Input only. Didn't call third down plays. Tee may have went with his suggestions. But he was not the play caller. Unless you don't believe Helton himself.
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Huh. So, “I’ll make a call for him” doesn’t mean he actually made a call. In your mind, as you’ve said earlier, it means he’s never, ever called a play. Interesting.
 
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