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vols 30 said:
it is obvious CM hates recruiting. He would take whoever said yes. Cal will discover this soon enough. Hoping DT has a differ approach
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Yeah I agree and some of California's pickups since Zo took over made me shakes head.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Lmao, it's pretty humorous watching how your standards have changed. Tomorrow when I'm bored I'll find a few of your old posts about expectations in regards to recruiting, acting as if 1/4 top 20 classes was ok with you is asinine.
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Do u consider 1/4 consistent? I was saying he never showed that ability. My views on recruiting have not changed a bit. I hold CDT to the exact same standards as Zo.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Let me ask u a question.....do u honestly feel that Zo was recruiting at a high enough level to have strong consistent success.
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This has nothing to do with that, this has to do with for the last 3 years every season you kept saying, gotta be a top 20 class. Now that Tyndall's the coach, all of a sudden that's no longer the case, all you wanna see is some decent recruiting and if not top 20 at least an improvement.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
This has nothing to do with that, this has to do with for the last 3 years every season you kept saying, gotta be a top 20 class. Now that Tyndall's the coach, all of a sudden that's no longer the case, all you wanna see is some decent recruiting and if not top 20 at least an improvement.
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I expect consistent top 20 classes
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
What's your definition of consistent, mine is more often than not, so 50% or better.
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I would agree with that with the first class being a toss out. I do expect this class to be solid. It's not a black and white thing....just a guide....I never thought any of Zo's classes were particularly solid and their performance on the court showed that to be true. I will give my opinion good or bad when I actually see some commitments.
 
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Highlights for those who haven't watched:

Says the pace of the workouts is the biggest transition from high school. His biggest strength is defense and blocking shots. He compares himself to Chris Bosh. Like others mentioned, he grew from 5-10 as a freshman to 6-10 now, and he went from 5-10 to 6-5 in four months. His "dream moment" for his first play in TBA is a fast-break left-handed dunk on someone down the middle of the lane.
 
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I get what beast is saying but I don't necessarily agree with his view completely. The biggest thing is having confidence in the coach. After Cuonzo landed Jarnell, I had confidence in his recruiting. Then he followed it up with a bad class in his 2nd year. He never got enough traction to make fans believe. In college sports, a coach has to recruit well and know how to coach. Often a coach will do one really well in the beginning to help facilitate the other. For example, see what Butch Jones is doing. Zo never coached well consistently enough to make most fans believe in his ability as a coach IMO. Same as recruiting. His ability to land Hubbs, Stokes, etc looks like a fluke when he's never able to sign a top 20 class after 4 tries. It's like he was never able to get over the hump in either area. Had he performed better in either area, fans would've had a more positive outlook on the other area. Or fans would not expect as much in the coach's weaker area because he can do the other one really well.

Wasn't trying to make this about CCM. Just using him as an example as to what to expect from Tyndall.

Expecting a top 20 class from him this year is a bit of a stretch IMO although it very well may happen. We are in on some good players. Really good.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Star rankings only count coming out of high school....he looked pitiful coming out at Georgetown.....kind of like still claiming wool ridge as a 4*.
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That would be like USC fans getting pumped up about when they landed Swiperboy lol. He might have averaged like 3 ppg in college but he was a 4 star in highschool :) :sarcasm
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I get what beast is saying but I don't necessarily agree with his view completely. The biggest thing is having confidence in the coach. After Cuonzo landed Jarnell, I had confidence in his recruiting. Then he followed it up with a bad class in his 2nd year. He never got enough traction to make fans believe. In college sports, a coach has to recruit well and know how to coach. Often a coach will do one really well in the beginning to help facilitate the other. For example, see what Butch Jones is doing. Zo never coached well consistently enough to make most fans believe in his ability as a coach IMO. Same as recruiting. His ability to land Hubbs, Stokes, etc looks like a fluke when he's never able to sign a top 20 class after 4 tries. It's like he was never able to get over the hump in either area. Had he performed better in either area, fans would've had a more positive outlook on the other area. Or fans would not expect as much in the coach's weaker area because he can do the other one really well.

Wasn't trying to make this about CCM. Just using him as an example as to what to expect from Tyndall.

Expecting a top 20 class from him this year is a bit of a stretch IMO although it very well may happen. We are in on some good players. Really good.
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Well said, and I agree. The Butch Jones comparison is spot on in that his on-field success has yet to catch up to his recruiting success, but his ability to recruit at such a high level gives you a lot of confidence in his ability to win even if he's only an average gameday coach. That may prove to be true, or it may not. One season is not enough time to make that determination. Three seasons and four classes was enough time to form an educated opinion on CCM, even if it wasn't universally agreeable.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
This has nothing to do with that, this has to do with for the last 3 years every season you kept saying, gotta be a top 20 class. Now that Tyndall's the coach, all of a sudden that's no longer the case, all you wanna see is some decent recruiting and if not top 20 at least an improvement.
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Nobody cares
 
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basketball is different. One good player, especially a pg or shooter, can be the difference in your team and it could be a 3*. Or, you are ranked high in recruiting because a 5* is recruited but for some reason he doesn't fit in or pan out. I don't care about rankings. Play fun ball and win, or go somewhere else. There are a lot of teams out there that win a lot of games without the approval of recruiting services.
Just for an example, Pearls best teams were with guys like Bradshaw, Smith and Lofton with a combined 4-5 stars. When he changed his philosophy and went after big names and high rankings that didn't fit his style, we didn't play as well, imo. Star rankings are basically created from hype from camps and aau, which model the nba game. This is why Calipari can get these kids in and perform. Most other schools play a college type basketball and a lot of highly ranked kids have trouble adjusting to the more restricted and team play.
Recruit ballhandlers and shooters and all will be good. The rest of the pieces will fall into place.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
basketball is different. One good player, especially a pg or shooter, can be the difference in your team and it could be a 3*. Or, you are ranked high in recruiting because a 5* is recruited but for some reason he doesn't fit in or pan out. I don't care about rankings. Play fun ball and win, or go somewhere else. There are a lot of teams out there that win a lot of games without the approval of recruiting services.
Just for an example, Pearls best teams were with guys like Bradshaw, Smith and Lofton with a combined 4-5 stars. When he changed his philosophy and went after big names and high rankings that didn't fit his style, we didn't play as well, imo. Star rankings are basically created from hype from camps and aau, which model the nba game. This is why Calipari can get these kids in and perform. Most other schools play a college type basketball and a lot of highly ranked kids have trouble adjusting to the more restricted and team play.
Recruit ballhandlers and shooters and all will be good. The rest of the pieces will fall into place.
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I 100% agree with this and it's why I wasn't nearly as down on the last class, pieces that fit are much more important than marginally better talent that doesn't fit IMO.

I would rather have a guy ranked 125-175 that fits your system, than a guy ranked 75-125 who does not.
 
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there is little difference between a player ranked 50 and 150 and it usually comes down to the hype train or one game where a player went off or struggled in an aau tourney
 
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CAVol said:
Aka josh Richardson
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Hall, Golden, Woolridge...all highly ranked 4*, iirc, and just not good basketball players. Golden is ok, but not good enough to lead his teams to win much of anything.
Seems like Pearls highest rated class had worse basketball players than his low rated classes, but that's just a guess.
 
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There's misses in recruiting but usually it is due to the player's work ethic and dedication to getting better. Swiperboy and K Hall were both 4* but never played like one. Neither had a dedication to the game from what I could tell.

I'd say that recruiting rankings for hoops are pretty accurate. But that doesn't mean you can't win without 5* and it doesn't mean that if recruit only top 150 players that you'll have a great team.

There's a lot of factors involved. Sparty made a great post above, but I'll point out one part I disagree with. Pearl's best team was the elite 8 team IMO. The early teams with Lofton and Jujuan were so much fun but I think that is because they were overachievers and exciting to watch and played a fun brand of ball. I think Pearl realized after that sweet 16 loss to Louisville that we needed to change the style of play and recruit a little differently to advance further. He did that and then a couple years later was a basket away from a final four.

Also, CAVol brought up Josh Richardson. I think Josh is a good example of a kid that has been what he was ranked and maybe a little more. He came in a little limited offensively but played great d. He's gotten better every year and got really hot during the tourney run. Jordan McRae was ranked about 100 spots higher and once he started playing up to his potential, he showed why he was a top 50 kid.

No matter how highly a class is ranked, you've got to coach and develop them. That said, winning becomes easier with players.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Hall, Golden, Woolridge...all highly ranked 4*, iirc, and just not good basketball players. Golden is ok, but not good enough to lead his teams to win much of anything.
Seems like Pearls highest rated class had worse basketball players than his low rated classes, but that's just a guess.
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I wouldn't put Golden in with Hall and Woolridge. Golden was a hell of a scorer that needed to play the 2 and an underrated passer. Woolridge and Hall just weren't focused on basketball and were waste of talents.
 
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