HBO's "Game of Thrones"

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The Dog said:
I got bored and re-read it this March or I wouldn't have remembered. Have u ever read an illustrated book that reads like a history book of Westeros and the whole world that Martin created? It's supposedly written by a maester. I can't think of the title right now, but it's great and some of the illustrations are beautiful.
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Not yet. I've been wanting to.
 
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The Dog said:
Had to look it up. It's called "The World of Ice and Fire: The Untold History of Westeros and The Game of Thrones". It's well worth the $35 price tag. Reads just like a history book. I enjoyed it as much as the books and u learn a lot of stuff about characters u just get a paragraph or 2 about in the books. When u finish it, u will know as much about Westeros as u do western civilization, or at least, I do.
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GRRM is a genius storyteller and writer, and also a great world builder. Some guys are great at one or two of those things, but GRRM is great at all of them. I still love Tolkeins Middle Earth most of all, but Martins world is a close second. It's just two totally different styles.
 
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I like GOT/ASIOF much, much more than LOTR. However, I do think Martin has a problem bringing things to a conclusion.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I like GOT/ASIOF much, much more than LOTR. However, I do think Martin has a problem bringing things to a conclusion.
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To each his own. I love em both. Neither one is much, much better than the other IMO, they are just different. Martin is grittily earthy, and nastily vulgar in a way that highlights the absolute worst of human nature, where any virtuous character is cast down and disparaged as either a fraudulent hypocrite, or just obtusely stupid. It is hopeless realism at it's heartbreaking best. Tolkien's work is almost the exact opposite in every way. It is heartbreaking also, yet hopeful in humanities struggle against our lusty selfish nature. It is esoteric, yet hauntingly beautiful. I love them both.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
To each his own. I love em both. Neither one is much, much better than the other IMO, they are just different. Martin is grittily earthy, and nastily vulgar in a way that highlights the absolute worst of human nature, where any virtuous character is cast down and disparaged as either a fraudulent hypocrite, or just obtusely stupid. It is hopeless realism at it's heartbreaking best. Tolkien's work is almost the exact opposite in every way. It is heartbreaking also, yet hopeful in humanities struggle against our lusty selfish nature. It is esoteric, yet hauntingly beautiful. I love them both.
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I agree with most of this assessment. If I have a gripe about Game of Thrones it's that every character is too self oriented. There are very few acts of altruism. I am guessing that George RR Martin was heavily influenced by the work of Sigmund Freud due to the way his characters pursue the pleasure principle with such reckless abandon.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I agree with most of this assessment. If I have a gripe about Game of Thrones it's that every character is too self oriented. There are very few acts of altruism. I am guessing that George RR Martin was heavily influenced by the work of Sigmund Freud due to the way his characters pursue the pleasure principle with such reckless abandon.
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That's the reason I love it; this closely mirrors the real world.
 
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The Dog said:
Btw, one week until season 7 starts and hopefully less than 6 months before we get Martin's "The Winds of Winter"
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I'm pumped. :rock:

Per Entertainment Weekly, the title of the first 3 episodes with very brief summaries have been released:

Episode 61: "Dragonstone" (July 16th)

Jon (Kit Harrington) organizes the defense of the North. Cersei (Lena Headey) tries to even the odds. Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) comes home.

Episode 62: "Stormborn" (July 23rd)

Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) receives an unexpected visitor. Jon (Kit Harrington) faces a revolt. Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) plans the conquest of Westeros.

Episode 63: "The Queen's Justice" (July 30th)

Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) holds court. Cersei (Lena Headey) returns a gift. Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) learns from his mistakes.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm pumped. :rock:

Per Entertainment Weekly, the title of the first 3 episodes with very brief summaries have been released:

Episode 61: "Dragonstone" (July 16th)

Jon (Kit Harrington) organizes the defense of the North. Cersei (Lena Headey) tries to even the odds. Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) comes home.

Episode 62: "Stormborn" (July 23rd)

Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) receives an unexpected visitor. Jon (Kit Harrington) faces a revolt. Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) plans the conquest of Westeros.

Episode 63: "The Queen's Justice" (July 30th)

Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) holds court. Cersei (Lena Headey) returns a gift. Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) learns from his mistakes.
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I'm glad the 3rd episode has a Jamie as one of the main storylines. I'm sure he is in the first 2, also. I hated Jamie at first but he is so complicated, by far my favorite character,now and Nikolaj has done some great acting in his portrayal of the "Kingslayer". I know Peter Dinklage as won some awards for Tyrion and deservedly so. Nikolaj deserves one now, imo.
 
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The Dog said:
I'm glad the 3rd episode has a Jamie as one of the main storylines. I'm sure he is in the first 2, also. I hated Jamie at first but he is so complicated, by far my favorite character,now and Nikolaj has done some great acting in his portrayal of the "Kingslayer". I know Peter Dinklage as won some awards for Tyrion and deservedly so. Nikolaj deserves one now, imo.
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One of my favorite story arcs of the show was the relationship that developed between Jaime and Brienne of Tarth as she escorted him back to King's Landing. He went from asking Catelyn, "Is that a woman ?" to having respect for Brienne and it was totally believable in the way it unfolded. You're right about Nikolaj Coster-Waldau. In a very subtle way he has given that character great depth and even made him likable though we still despise his sister and his house.
 
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The Dog said:
I'm glad the 3rd episode has a Jamie as one of the main storylines. I'm sure he is in the first 2, also. I hated Jamie at first but he is so complicated, by far my favorite character,now and Nikolaj has done some great acting in his portrayal of the "Kingslayer". I know Peter Dinklage as won some awards for Tyrion and deservedly so. Nikolaj deserves one now, imo.
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Alfie Allen (Theon) is the most underrated actor of the show.

The fact that he hasn't gotten Emmy consideration is a crime.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
Alfie Allen (Theon) is the most underrated actor of the show.

The fact that he hasn't gotten Emmy consideration is a crime.
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I agree. Theon went from a cocky kid to a beaten dog. Alfie has done a great a job of showing mad range as an actor. I still like Nickolaj, better, but Alfie should also be considered for some awards. Although, he has slipped a little bit into the background rather than more of a starring role. It's probably not his fault, just they way the story goes. But, if u notice both actors are starting to show up in more movies, which means some kind of recognition and more money
 
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Even as a "second level" character in GoT, Alfie Allen has managed to far surpass his Brit-pop singing sister (Lily Allen) who wrote a song lampooning him about 10 years ago. Side note, she was offered the part of Yara Greyjoy but turned it down....probably because she read the script when Theon returns to the Iron Islands the first time - lol
 
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SWIL said:
Even as a "second level" character in GoT, Alfie Allen has managed to far surpass his Brit-pop singing sister (Lily Allen) who wrote a song lampooning him about 10 years ago. Side note, she was offered the part of Yara Greyjoy but turned it down....probably because she read the script when Theon returns to the Iron Islands the first time - lol
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Ha ha. I did not know Lily was his sister and yeah, probably the part where her brother was feeling her up was a little bit of deterrent
 
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Doing some rewatching, I wonder if Tywin knew who Arya was when she was with him. He obviously knows something is off with her story.
 
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Toujours Pret said:
Doing some rewatching, I wonder if Tywin knew who Arya was when she was with him. He obviously knows something is off with her story.
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If I remember correctly (It's been years since reading the books) He suspects that she is some northern lords daughter, but he never suspects her being Arya Stark.
 
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The Dog said:
In the books, it wasn't Tywin, it was Roose Bolton, that Arya was a serving girl to
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I think she was serving girl to Tywin, and then after he took his army to save King's Landing she help the captured Northerners (Roose's army) escape and take the castle. Been awhile since I've read too so I may be remembering wrong.
 
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oUTlaw said:
I think she was serving girl to Tywin, and then after he took his army to save King's Landing she help the captured Northerners (Roose's army) escape and take the castle. Been awhile since I've read too so I may be remembering wrong.
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99% sure she never met Tywin while she was the serving girl at Harrenhal in the books. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. When Arya hooked up with the "Brotherhood with Borders", I know she had on tunic with the flayed man on it, which is the Bolton signa
 
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The Dog said:
99% sure she never met Tywin while she was the serving girl at Harrenhal in the books. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. When Arya hooked up with the "Brotherhood with Borders", I know she had on tunic with the flayed man on it, which is the Bolton signa
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IIRC she saw Tywin from a distance once or twice but never actually met him in the books.
 
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