HBO's "Game of Thrones"

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ToineMac said:
Not showing plot armor? Arya got stabbed in the gut 6 times then jumped in water that we saw people empty chamber pots into and she swam away. The next day she fought and killed a world class assassin. Arya, Jon, Dany, Tyrion they all have plot armor that can stop a nuke.
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I feel like at least one of those characters should have died two seasons ago to keep the show honest.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
On another note..did you catch the way that Tyrion was looking in next week's preview..Is that little turd gonna turn traitor for his sorry family?
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One story arc that I would like to see is Tyrion faced with a decision of loyalties... He owes his life to both Bronn (who has defended and won a trial by combat for him) and of course Jaime who set him free when he was certain to be executed after his trial by combat had been lost by Oberyn. Could he watch either one of them be executed without intervening? Were his military strategies an honest mistake in losing the Dorn and leaving Highgarden vulnerable? Or were Dany's suspicions correct in "The Spoils of War"? I hope it's something that plays itself out. It's interesting to think about.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
One story arc that I would like to see is Tyrion faced with a decision of loyalties... He owes his life to both Bronn (who has defended and won a trial by combat for him) and of course Jaime who set him free when he was certain to be executed after his trial by combat had been lost by Oberyn. Could he watch either one of them be executed without intervening? Were his military strategies an honest mistake in losing the Dorn and leaving Highgarden vulnerable? Or were Dany's suspicions correct in "The Spoils of War"? I hope it's something that plays itself out. It's interesting to think about.
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I think of Tyrion and Varys as kindred spirits - both ultimately seeking fairness/justice/whatever you want to call it. Both sneaky, conniving but ultimately loyal to a greater cause. Both cripples in some way and seen as inferior by society.

I think his military strategies were an honest mistake - he's simply never been like his father or brother. He got it right with Blackwater Bay but it's not his forte.

Of course GRRM could prove me wrong.
 
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volinbham said:
I think of Tyrion and Varys as kindred spirits - both ultimately seeking fairness/justice/whatever you want to call it. Both sneaky, conniving but ultimately loyal to a greater cause. Both cripples in some way and seen as inferior by society.

I think his military strategies were an honest mistake - he's simply never been like his father or brother. He got it right with Blackwater Bay but it's not his forte.

Of course GRRM could prove me wrong.
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I think his strat was fine and was compromised from within... we'll see if that's the case.
 
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#5,859
I've seen this theory about the ending and it makes sense to me.

Dany dies, Jon Snow rides off into the sunset, and Tyrion is put in charge of a council elected by commoners.
 
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mrorange211 said:
I've seen this theory about the ending and it makes sense to me.

Dany dies, Jon Snow rides off into the sunset, and Tyrion is put in charge of a council elected by commoners.
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That has sorta been my theory since I got into the books before the show started, however I think Dany and Jon will both die. Either way...nobody sits any thrones in Westeros when this is done imo. I really don't like it that way, and it will leave a bitter taste after all these years, but it is obvious to me that is what Martin is aiming for. The end of aristocracy and magic.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
That has sorta been my theory since I got into the books before the show started, however I think Dany and Jon will both die. Either way...nobody sits any thrones in Westeros when this is done imo. I really don't like it that way, and it will leave a bitter taste after all these years, but it is obvious to me that is what Martin is aiming for. The end of aristocracy and magic.
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If this happens, it would be the most epic fail ending of any show ever. I would feel cheated of a legitimate ending.
 
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Weezer said:
If this happens, it would be the most epic fail ending of any show ever. I would feel cheated of a legitimate ending.
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I'm not sure there is a "good" ending to any show or story of this magnitude, or at least an ending that will appease the majority. People tend to get very divided over endings.

I loved Boardwalk Empire, hated the ending. Same with Sopranos. The HBO mini-series The Night Of was terrific, but several people I talked to hated the way it ended.

I'm curious to know what you all think would categorize a "good" ending? Does everyone need to die? Need to live? Do we need a happy ending where everyone lives in Westeros and the country is completely united, or does Westeros need to be completely wiped out? Would a good ending mean one that is open to interpretation or perhaps one that leads into a new story that we will never be told?

I definitely have my theories on how it will end, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's how it should end.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I'm not sure there is a "good" ending to any show or story of this magnitude, or at least an ending that will appease the majority. People tend to get very divided over endings.

I loved Boardwalk Empire, hated the ending. Same with Sopranos. The HBO mini-series The Night Of was terrific, but several people I talked to hated the way it ended.

I'm curious to know what you all think would categorize a "good" ending? Does everyone need to die? Need to live? Do we need a happy ending where everyone lives in Westeros and the country is completely united, or does Westeros need to be completely wiped out? Would a good ending mean one that is open to interpretation or perhaps one that leads into a new story that we will never be told?

I definitely have my theories on how it will end, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's how it should end.
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I originally hated the ending to the Sopranos as well, but over time it's grown on me. I don't think the series could've ended better.

I want everyone dead except Tormund on the Iron Throne.
 
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#5,866
Finishing a story is probably the hardest thing any writer has to do. Some of Stephen King's best works have terrible endings.
 
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Godfatha said:
Finishing a story is probably the hardest thing any writer has to do. Some of Stephen King's best works have terrible endings.
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I agree completely. Some shows do not end well at all and some shows usually go a season or two too long. Thinking back at some of my all time favorite series, I can only really think of one where I was satisfied with the ending and that's Breaking Bad. Vince Gilligan knew exactly when to stop and I'm glad he didn't try to stretch another season out of it. Shows like Dexter and Sons of Anarchy had way too many seasons and I didn't like the endings, but I loved the earlier first couple of seasons.

I am curious to see how shows like GoT and TWD will end. They currently have probably the two largest audiences on shows that are currently airing. There is no way there will be an ending to both of these shows that will satisfy everyone.

I honestly think GoT had enough material to go for 10+ solid season, where as I think TWD needs to really wrap it up because most of the seasons get really stale minus the opener and finale of each season.
 
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mrorange211 said:
I originally hated the ending to the Sopranos as well, but over time it's grown on me. I don't think the series could've ended better.

I want everyone dead except Tormund on the Iron Throne.
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Only if Brienne lives too. Tormund needs his queen, lol.
 
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Seriously, who wins the throne isn't as important to me as someone simply winning. Jon, Dany, Tyrion, or hell, Lady Mormont, I just want someone to end up winning, and the idea of killing off magic is just stupid to me. If I want reality, I'll go outside. I like fantasy and magic in stories. Why ruin it to be "more realistic"? It's not real! That's the point! It's a fantastical story and I prefer it stay that way.
 
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Does anyone else miss the old Tyrion. He's become so much more serious since killing Tywin. I want the old hard-drinking, whoring around Tyrion back.
 
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Weezer said:
Does anyone else miss the old Tyrion. He's become so much more serious since killing Tywin. I want the old hard-drinking, whoring around Tyrion back.
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I've kinda been frustrated at how quickly this season is trying to wrap up story lines. It took forever to get here and I just feel like it's rushed now in some ways.
 
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Weezer said:
Seriously, who wins the throne isn't as important to me as someone simply winning. Jon, Dany, Tyrion, or hell, Lady Mormont, I just want someone to end up winning, and the idea of killing off magic is just stupid to me. If I want reality, I'll go outside. I like fantasy and magic in stories. Why ruin it to be "more realistic"? It's not real! That's the point! It's a fantastical story and I prefer it stay that way.
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Agreed. I don't expect a happy Hollywood ending with Jon on the Iron throne with Dany in his lap - or even want that, it wouldn't fit the show but they should at least give us a clear winner. Anything else would be a cop out.
 
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