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ToineMac said:
I wasn't refering to R+L=J in the post you quoted. I have already said that theory has merit. People have begun to treat a fan theory as confirmed canon. It drives me crazy. The person I quoted mentioned another popular secret Targaryen theory containing a different very popular character that has far less merit than R+L.
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Look up the Prophecy of The Three heads of the Dragon.

The story in the books is that King Aerys, father of Daenerys, was infatuated with Tywin’s wife, Joanna and at Tywin and Joanna's wedding King Aerys drunkenly told people that he took certain "unwanted liberties" with Joanna in the bedding ritual when the men at the feast had to disrobe the bride during the bedding ritual. It is known that they had an affair which caused Queen Rhaella to dismiss her as her lady in waiting and sent her back to the Westerlands. Joanna and the mad king would meet again at the anniversary tourney in King's Landing. Sometime after Tyrion is born. If your read the books Tyrion's features are described as closer to Targaryan than Lannister, with white-blond hair and different-coloured eyes. He also has the personality traits of a Targaryen. but the most important proof of him being a Targaryen is the prophecy “The dragon has three heads.” Tywin even admits that Tyrion isn't his son right before he is killed by him.
 
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carlos86 said:
Look up the Prophecy of The Three heads of the Dragon.

The story in the books is that King Aerys, father of Daenerys, was infatuated with Tywin’s wife, Joanna and at Tywin and Joanna's wedding King Aerys drunkenly told people that he took certain "unwanted liberties" with Joanna in the bedding ritual when the men at the feast had to disrobe the bride during the bedding ritual. It is known that they had an affair which caused Queen Rhaella to dismiss her as her lady in waiting and sent her back to the Westerlands. Joanna and the mad king would meet again at the anniversary tourney in King's Landing. Sometime after Tyrion is born. If your read the books Tyrion's features are described as closer to Targaryan than Lannister, with white-blond hair and different-coloured eyes. He also has the personality traits of a Targaryen. but the most important proof of him being a Targaryen is the prophecy “The dragon has three heads.” Tywin even admits that Tyrion isn't his son right before he is killed by him.
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I have read this theory too.
If Tywin Lannister truly believed that the stunted embarassment that killed the woman he loved was not his son but the son of the king whom he served faithfully who disrespected him time and time again, he would have killed him. I think people read too much into that "you're no son of mine" line.
 
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After some consideration I have thought of one good thing that could come from the events in Dorne in last nights episode.
Instability in Dornish leadership makes it the perfect place for Dany to launch her Westerosi invasion. No one is going to follow a bunch of kinslaying kingslaying bastard born women anywhere. Not even in Dorne. Civil war will ensue to replace the Martells. Dany swoopes in with her Unsullied and dragons and maybe some Dothraki, takes over and starts her way north.
Also in their zeal to seek retribution and vengeance for the Martell family, the Sand Snakes and Ellaria exterminate the last of the Martell line. Oberyn must be rolling over in his grave. Even he followed Doran's rule.
 
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ToineMac said:
I have read this theory too.
If Tywin Lannister truly believed that the stunted embarassment that killed the woman he loved was not his son but the son of the king whom he served faithfully who disrespected him time and time again, he would have killed him. I think people read too much into that "you're no son of mine" line.
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This is also the same man who ever thought that his grandchildren were not the products of incest even though they had no Baratheon features.
 
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#3,382
For the web is dark...and full of spoilers

Fwiw, posting anything future related (save pure speculation) about this show and the torches and pitchforks will come out in here! Don't do it
 
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carlos86 said:
This is also the same man who ever thought that his grandchildren were not the products of incest even though they had no Baratheon features.
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Why would he? Acknowledging the incest of his children puts everything he has at risk.
Also back in season 1 when Tyrion was taken by Catelyn, Jaime is surprised that Tywin started a war for him. Tywin says he has to because Tyrion is his son. Season 2 when Tywin sends Tyrion to King's Landing to act as Hand in his stead, Tyrion asks why not his Uncle Kevan. And Tywin responds because you are my son. Their dynamic is a huge part of the story and Tyrion not being his son ruins that
 
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ToineMac said:
After some consideration I have thought of one good thing that could come from the events in Dorne in last nights episode.
Instability in Dornish leadership makes it the perfect place for Dany to launch her Westerosi invasion. No one is going to follow a bunch of kinslaying kingslaying bastard born women anywhere. Not even in Dorne. Civil war will ensue to replace the Martells. Dany swoopes in with her Unsullied and dragons and maybe some Dothraki, takes over and starts her way north.
Also in their zeal to seek retribution and vengeance for the Martell family, the Sand Snakes and Ellaria exterminate the last of the Martell line. Oberyn must be rolling over in his grave. Even he followed Doran's rule.
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I'm confused by both the location and purpose of your spoiler tag.

I'm also equally confused as to the point in which you decided the spoiler tag (which was unnecessary to begin with) became no longer necessary.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I'm confused by both the location and purpose of your spoiler tag.

I'm also equally confused as to the point in which you decided the spoiler tag (which was unnecessary to begin with) became no longer necessary.
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I guess my reckless speculation didn't need a spoiler tag. I didn't want people who haven't read to think I was spoiling some book plot. People get real touchy about spoilers. I decided it was no longer necessary when I was saying something that was obvious from the show.
 
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ToineMac said:
In the show? Who?
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Not sure if considered spoilerish
Littlefinger, when he is talking to Sansa in Winterfell's crypt and one other time in the Vale (but I cant remember the exact time)

Howland Reed, we have seen his kids, jojen and Myra(sp?). Some believe the theory he is acting as the high sparrow. But he is making an appearance.

The third I would have to believe is Vary. He would know the truth once it becomes known.
 
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ToineMac said:
Yea the Lannister who killed Tywin Lannister.
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I'm going with the one who killed the mad king. The Lannisters killed more Targs than the Starks did and they married into the family she despises most.

Actually, until theories get proved the Starks havent killed any targs.
 
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ToineMac said:
I have read this theory too.
If Tywin Lannister truly believed that the stunted embarassment that killed the woman he loved was not his son but the son of the king whom he served faithfully who disrespected him time and time again, he would have killed him. I think people read too much into that "you're no son of mine" line.
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I agree with you here.
That would make Jaime or Cersei the bastard since Tryion is the youngest.
 
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MontereyVol said:
I agree with you here.
That would make Jaime or Cersei the bastard since Tryion is the youngest.
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I highly prefer that one out of the secret Targ Lannister theories. The irony of Tyrion being Tywin's only trueborn son would be delicious.
 
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For the record guys, I personally do not care about the speculation/theory talk. It's part of the fun associated with GOT. I just had a problem with the picture posted from the set.
 
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ToineMac said:
I have read this theory too.
If Tywin Lannister truly believed that the stunted embarassment that killed the woman he loved was not his son but the son of the king whom he served faithfully who disrespected him time and time again, he would have killed him. I think people read too much into that "you're no son of mine" line.
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He tried to kill him. He put a midget on the front lines lol. I think you are under valuing the sin of kinslayer. Tywin is about image. The Tyrion theory is more shaky than the others, I admit but it makes a great story. They don't all have to survive and prophesies seem to have their own merit in the world. Who knows. Martin will probably die before six comes, let alone seven and eight lol
 
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utvols88 said:
He tried to kill him. He put a midget on the front lines lol. I think you are under valuing the sin of kinslayer. Tywin is about image. The Tyrion theory is more shaky than the others, I admit but it makes a great story. They don't all have to survive and prophesies seem to have their own merit in the world. Who knows. Martin will probably die before six comes, let alone seven and eight lol
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there's only going to be six (Winds of Winter; sometime within the next year) and seven (A Dream of Spring; at this rate, 2024, so probably never).

While the show is doing 8 seasons, there will only be 7 books.
 
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WarDamnVols said:
there's only going to be six (Winds of Winter; sometime within the next year) and seven (A Dream of Spring; at this rate, 2024, so probably never).

While the show is doing 8 seasons, there will only be 7 books.
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Martin says there's 8 iirc.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jun/03/george-rr-martin-eighth-game-of-thrones-book
 
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utvols88 said:
Martin says there's 8 iirc.
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not quite.

he has said his ultimate goal is 7 books (which is the # he's currently under contract for), but should he get roughly around the first half of writing book 7, and still find that there is so much more he could add into the story, he may possibly consider adding an additional 8th book (probably splitting up book 7 into 2, à la Feast for Crows/Dance with Dragons). that's far from concrete though. at this rate, i think he'll stick to his original plan of finishing in 7 one way or another.
 
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WarDamnVols said:
not quite.

he has said his ultimate goal is 7 books (which is the # he's currently under contract for), but should he get roughly around the first half of writing book 7, and still find that there is so much more he could add into the story, he may possibly consider adding an additional 8th book (probably splitting up book 7 into 2, à la Feast for Crows/Dance with Dragons). that's far from concrete though. at this rate, i think he'll stick to his original plan of finishing in 7 one way or another.
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It was his editor who hinted at it. I agree it'd be a split but he's already flaked between 3 and 7. I would place my money on 8. If I had to chose 7 or 8.
 
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Martin may not live to finish 7 much less 8, dude is not the healthiest guy. People around Sante Fe see him all time and are concerned he won't make it to finishing his books.
 
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carlos86 said:
Hopeful within the next 2 to 3 episodes you will know the connection between Jon Snow and Daenerys Targaryen.
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Interesting theory. I could see that in the books. But I don't know about the tv show.

While "The dragon has three heads plays a pretty prominent role in Daenerys' story in the book, I don't recall it being mentioned on the tv show. Even if that was the plan for the books, I could see them just leaving Jon Snow as Ned's bastard for tv. Varys' support for young Aegon in the books seems to be directed to Daenarys in the tv show.

And even then when Catelyn Stark was brought back to life by Thoros of Myr using Beric Dondarrion's light, she appears to be a far different form of her previous self as Lady Stoneheart.

If they did try it on the show, I guess they could just make Jon come back as his old self.

Not sure what to put in spoiler tags yet. I avoided this thread till I was finished with the books and caught up on tv. Don't know if folks would care about knowing how Catelyn Stark was brought back if that's how it goes down with Jon

Maybe I guess. So much appears to be cut from the books that I don't know where they'll go.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Interesting theory. I could see that in the books. But I don't know about the tv show.

While "The dragon has three heads plays a pretty prominent role in Daenerys' story in the book, I don't recall it being mentioned on the tv show.

And even then when Catelyn Stark was brought back to life by Thoros of Myr using Beric Dondarrion's light, she appears to be a far different form of her previous self as Lady Stoneheart.

If they did try it on the show, I guess they could just make Jon come back as his old self.

Not sure what to put in spoiler tags yet. I avoided this thread till I was finished with the books and caught up on tv. Don't know if folks would care about knowing how Catelyn Stark was brought back if that's how it goes down with Jon

Maybe I guess. So much appears to be cut from the books that I don't know where they'll go.
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Catelyn Stark isn't being brought back at all on the show so its not a spoiler.
 
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