Harrison Bailey--is he right for Heupel's system

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BeardedVol said:
What statement does hanging 70+ on Bowling Green make?

With Heupel as OC Missouri put up 79 on Delaware State and still went 2-6 in conference play.
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Excitement to the program. Shows off offense, vents frustration from the program. I’m so mad, tired of no offense that I would want to beat the ish out of every team I could. Run it up baby!!!
 
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Hanging 70 on bowling green sounds like ...

1: Locker material.

2: Every other hyper tensive raging coach that has come out of Tennessee. There is a reason ole dude ain't winning at Va Tech. All rage, no discipline. I would think a Tennesseean would have learnt his/her lesson by now. Just take care of business.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Hanging 70 on bowling green sounds like ...

1: Locker material.

2: Every other hyper tensive raging coach that has come out of Tennessee. There is a reason ole dude ain't winning at Va Tech. All rage, no discipline. I would think a Tennesseean would have learnt his/her lesson by now. Just take care of business.
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We haven’t hung 70, heck even 60 on anyone in the what? 15 years or more? I might’ve missed a game but I can’t remember
 
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hardyemt_p said:
Most the time the dogs are called off at 40 unless it's a shoot out. We have been on the receiving end not the giving the last 15 years.
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True but I’ve seen it plenty from other programs. Just let the 2s and 3s go to town and get some late turnovers on D and get there
 
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T2P_Priceless said:
Our program is nowhere near AL and hasn’t been in years. I just want to see non-stop scoring. I’m deprived. Can I just have some Effin FUN?!?!?
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I see your point, and it's valid. You can have fun, It's supposed to be fun, just don't be a rager, that's not fun. Nobody likes to party with a rager.
 
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I would be thrilled with a score of 30+ to 3 or less...dominant in every aspect of the games..boot ant scenario...leave no doubt..let them know they never had a chance...you dont have to score 70 to make a statement
 
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Big Al Orange said:
The QB holding the ball too long doesn’t work in any system. Let’s see what he can do under a real QBs coach before we write him off.
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People forget that Harrison is only a sophmore. Last year he played a lot in garbage time so he didn’t want to make mistakes throwing stupid passes, thus holding the ball longer. This year , if he starts he will definitely be a completely different qb than last year.
 
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Bryce VFL said:
People forget that Harrison is only a sophmore. Last year he played a lot in garbage time so he didn’t want to make mistakes throwing stupid passes, thus holding the ball longer. This year , if he starts he will definitely be a completely different qb than last year.
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I think people are ro dependent upon his ranking....he is also the QB so far that has held the ball to long and throw an int....
When the QB coach says he is improving on reading the defense both after and presnap...thats a problem....just like BM and what seems trust issues with his coaching and taking direction....CJP messed these guys up...we don't know what kinda QB either will end up being...Milton and Hooker...i wanna seem more...
 
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As far as Mr. HB5 is conserned, He is going to succeed at anything he does in life. He has a great mind, and is a tremendous leader. The other QB's are just more physically dominant. What I love about Mr. HB5 is he recognized his weakness right away and devoured it in the off season apparently. That is what makes him a great leader. The other guys are just bigger with bigger arms. They don't have to impress you with off season deep balls. HB5 is working on that rn. That is what you are seeing.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
If he and Milton are throwing near the same, then Milton wins the job because he can flat out dominate in the running game if needed.
Heupel went and got him after spring ball for a reason.
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Already in the fold before the O&W game.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol...no.

Like at UCF, at Missouri Heupel's offense consistently put of lots of points on bad, and over-matched teams from non-P5 conferences, against SEC opponents in 2016-17 it was pedestrian at best, and downright bad at times with Missouri going 2-6 and 4-4 respectively.

2016 Missouri Points vs SEC Opponents
Georgia: 27
LSU: 7
Florida: 14
Kentucky: 21
South Carolina: 21
Vanderbilt: 26
Tennessee: 37
Arkansas: 38

Average: 24

2017 Missouri Points vs SEC Opponents
South Carolina: 13
Auburn: 14
Kentucky: 34
Georgia: 28
Florida: 45
Tennessee: 50
Vanderbilt:45
Arkansas: 48

Average: 35

Notable non-conference P5 Teams that Huepel's offense didn't score well against
2016 West Virginia: 11
2017 Purdue: 3
2017 Texax: 16

Which is why all this talk of averaging 40-50 PPG with an SEC schedule is laughable, and even more an utterly unrealistic expectation for Heupel's first year, given the attrition, following Pruitt's mismanagement, etc.
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K. Freak can you sticky this response and save him from carpal tunnel? 😴
 
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BeardedVol said:
What statement does hanging 70+ on Bowling Green make?

With Heupel as OC Missouri put up 79 on Delaware State and still went 2-6 in conference play.
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Cuz we haven’t scored that many points in forever…no matter the opponent. It’s visual progress. And we know…Heupel sucks at offense. 😴
 
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I think Huepel is a winner and didn’t come to Knoxville to lose. He is going to play not necessarily the best QB but the best one that fits his scheme.As of now it’s all speculation on the fans part. The backup QB is one hit away from being the starter, with injuries, grades, poor performances we may see all 4 start at some point this season. Contradicting myself I think we need an obvious #1 not a good situation if the starter is looking over his shoulder worrying about screwing up.
 
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BeardedVol said:
What statement does hanging 70+ on Bowling Green make?

With Heupel as OC Missouri put up 79 on Delaware State and still went 2-6 in conference play.
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Good points but if we don’t smoke BG and put up a ton of points, some are going to use that as amok to say JH isn’t a good coach. I personally care how many points we score on any team. I just want to win.
 
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allen phillips said:
I was really hoping this kid was going to be number one. I now believe that he is just in the wrong system.
CJH's -offense is not going to wait for HB to get rid of the ball in time. I believe he is the most accurate passer of the four but he does not get rid of the ball fast enough. I think he will be the first to transfer. If, and a big if, the OL could give him the time he would be my choice as QB. I do not think that will happen. I hope I am wrong.
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I think we all are of the assumption that Harrison is still a work in progress, based on comments coming from the coaches. That doesn't mean that he won't be the starter later, and it doesn't mean he won't start game one.

There's just so much camp left, we'll have to wait and see. But I don't feel like any of the four guys we have are busts, per se. I kind of feel like we're in the unusual position of having multiple good options, and just trying to figure out the best. We haven't been in that place in so long we don't recognize it.
 
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Devo182 said:
What does rpo have to do with the qb running?
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How the defense reacts to the handoff mainly. If the RB is a threat they stay home or even react to the run opening up the passing game. If they don’t react and play pass the RB has more maneuver space.

If your QB is a running threat it puts them in no mans land. If the QB pulls it down and they drop into coverage he can punish them on the ground with room to run if WRs aren’t open. Anytime you force a defense to scheme for, basically, two running backs and a passing threat they have to make trade offs. Pretty much exactly why mobile QBs have changed the game.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol...no.

Like at UCF, at Missouri Heupel's offense consistently put of lots of points on bad, and over-matched teams from non-P5 conferences, against SEC opponents in 2016-17 it was pedestrian at best, and downright bad at times with Missouri going 2-6 and 4-4 respectively.

2016 Missouri Points vs SEC Opponents
Georgia: 27
LSU: 7
Florida: 14
Kentucky: 21
South Carolina: 21
Vanderbilt: 26
Tennessee: 37
Arkansas: 38

Average: 24

2017 Missouri Points vs SEC Opponents
South Carolina: 13
Auburn: 14
Kentucky: 34
Georgia: 28
Florida: 45
Tennessee: 50
Vanderbilt:45
Arkansas: 48

Average: 35

Notable non-conference P5 Teams that Huepel's offense didn't score well against
2016 West Virginia: 11
2017 Purdue: 3
2017 Texax: 16

Which is why all this talk of averaging 40-50 PPG with an SEC schedule is laughable, and even more an utterly unrealistic expectation for Heupel's first year, given the attrition, following Pruitt's mismanagement, etc.
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Lol I don't think anyone is expecting 50ppg but to act like there won't be improvement is just as silly. The season before Huepel got to Missorui they were the literally 2nd worst offensive team in the country.. 127 out of 128.

2015: PPG: 13.6 Passing Yards Per Game: 165.5 Offensive Yards Per Game: 280.9

2016: PPG: 31.4 Passing Yards Per Game: 295.4 Offensive Yards Per Game: 500.5

2017: PPG: 37.5 Passing Yards Per Game: 308.6 Offensive Yards Per Game: 503.2
 
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irish1485 said:
Lol I don't think anyone is expecting 50ppg but to act like there won't be improvement is just as silly. The season before Huepel got to Missorui they were the literally 2nd worst offensive team in the country.. 127 out of 128.

2015: PPG: 13.6 Passing Yards Per Game: 165.5 Offensive Yards Per Game: 280.9

2016: PPG: 31.4 Passing Yards Per Game: 295.4 Offensive Yards Per Game: 500.5

2017: PPG: 37.5 Passing Yards Per Game: 308.6 Offensive Yards Per Game: 503.2
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Nice illustration.
Don't bother tho. Some people seriously just want to hate.
 
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