Gun control debate (merged)

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turbovol said:
yea, I know about stop and frisk. I'm not opposed to it in urban areas awash in guns....It's one thing I'm conservative about....

As for government vs. "freedom," we have a serious gun-violence problem in America. Go take a look at the photo circulating of the dead in Allen, Texas--including the 5-year-old kid. I don't care about some redneck's desire to play with assault rifles because he's got so little else going on his life....Sorry.
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Sad, sad little man.
 
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volfanhill said:
There is a method to change the law. Use it . Until then sorry not sorry that you can't stomp on constitutionally protected freedoms. And even more fun is your position that you are cool with accosting POC if it's in an urban area. Good lord.
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Liberals are the most racist among us.
 
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turbovol said:
The self-protection argument is nothing more than an NRA marketing campaign. It's a scheme to sell guns--has been for, what, 30 years? The chances that anyone would actually need a gun for self-protection are incredibly remote--you're more likely to accidentally shoot yourself or some innocent person. The NRA likes to throw out stats showing huge numbers of cases where "good guys with guns" stopped "bad guys with guns"--but their numbers are totally fraudulent. Bad guys with guns ARE shot and killed--as happened with the Texas mall killer, but it usually happens after they've murdered a half dozen or more people.

The "responsible gun owner" notion is a myth. Once someone buys a guy, he has the potential to become a bad guy with a gun. Why do so many young urban black men carry guns? Answer: self protection! They get guns--most of them--for the same reason you do--except they have a more legitimate need than some guy in an American suburb. Now, once they get a gun, some of them do stupid things--decide to use their gun to rob somebody of $40 or a bag of weed---and end up dead or in prison, but a lot of them get guns in the first place because they know other people in their neighborhood or peer group have guns. Look at the white gun crazies: They argue even MORE people should get guns to protect themselves against all the other people with guns. It's insane, stupid--uncivilized.

Life circumstances change constantly. "Good guys" get into divorce and custody battles with their wives/ex-wives, get angry and start shooting. It happens a lot. Sacked employees come back to the office with a gun to take their revenge. Multiple cases. Mental problems develop. Look at the Las Vegas shooter---deadliest mass shooting in American history. No criminal record. No documented mental problems--though he'd clearly developed some at some point before killing 67 people (or whatever the number) and wounding some 200 others. No case better illustrates the problem with easy gun ownership and lax regulations.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-attack-stephen-paddock-trnd/index.html
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Ok.. “urban black” needs gun and seems reasonable for him/her to have one…. “White gun crazies” can’t have guns because they are going to kill innocent people. Question… there was just as much access to guns 40 years ago but not frequent mass shootings like today. What has changed? Closing of mental hospitals? Check. Taking God out of our lives and blaming gun violence on Christians? Check. Glorification of violence through media and the internet? Check. Dissolving of the nuclear family? Check. Scrambling the brains of people by misaligned social norms and gender bending bs? Check. I think logical steps to guns are possible. Hunter safety course required for all gun purchases (8 hour course), no one under 21 unless honorably discharged from military, all gun purchases have to be run through an ffl. I mean hell I and my friends call second hand gun purchases “throw always”. Can’t be tied to you, shoot a guy and throw it down next his body. Bam! “He was armed officer.” Banning of semi autos though?…yeah f’n right on that on.
 
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C-south said:
Sure. That was a knee jerk response by me and I believe it was Hogg who had a better response. The main intent of the founding fathers and the 2A was having the ability to defend ourselves against the government but it wasn’t the sole purpose.
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Which kind of brings me full circle to my original position. Guns sold to use as protection, sport, hunting, home protection - I'm good with. I think people certainly (currently) have the right to own those guns and use them for those purposes. I would hate to see them lose that right. BUT the gun crazy nonsense and the battle cry "we'll give up nothing, amend the constitution" is simply going to lead us down a road none of us wish to travel, that is completely avoidable, and will come about after far to much avoidable pain, suffering, misery, and death.

I always was confident that more rational minds would eventually prevail, but this thread has pretty much convinced me otherwise.
 
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hog88 said:
Every state.
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Are you talking about if they're unloaded, packed in a locked case, and placed inside of a checked bag? Because if you are .... then you are being an idiot. You know damn well that is not what the hell I was talking about. You just want to argue like a damn doofus.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Wrong! Take a loaded gun into the TSA line at McGhee Tyson and see what happens. I have observed such a thing.
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Have you never seen an armed TSA agent or police officer in an airport, surely you've noticed armed bailiffs in courtrooms? So weapons are being carried everyday through airports and courthouses in every state by people who you have no clue what their mental state is.
 
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hog88 said:
Have you never seen an armed TSA agent or police officer in an airport, surely you've noticed armed bailiffs in courtrooms? So weapons are being carried everyday through airports and courthouses in every state by people who you have no clue what their mental state is.
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Yeah ... that's who I was talking about. You just like to argue, dude.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Yeah ... that's who I was talking about. You just like to argue, dude.
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No, just pointing out that you seem to have no problem with people carrying weapons in secure places as long as the .gov stamps them as ok. So why shouldn't a person with a carry permit be able to do the same?

Who's going to stop a crazed cop when everyone else has been disarmed?
 
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hog88 said:
No, just pointing out that you seem to have no problem with people carrying weapons in secure places as long as the .gov stamps them as ok. So why shouldn't a person with a carry permit be able to do the same?
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Because far to many nuts have carry permits.
 
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hog88 said:
No, just pointing out that you seem to have no problem with people carrying weapons in secure places as long as the .gov stamps them as ok. So why shouldn't a person with a carry permit be able to do the same?

Who's going to stop a crazed cop when everyone else has been disarmed?
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The answer isn't going to always be more guns.

Who was going to stop the Mandalay Bay sniper?

None of those sitting ducks across the street ... regardless of how they were armed.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The answer isn't going to always be more guns.

Who was going to stop the Mandalay Bay sniper?

None of those sitting ducks across the street ... regardless of how they were armed.
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Maybe someone in the hotel that heard the massive amount of gunfire coming from his room could of done it instead of waiting 15-20 minutes for the cops?

We're all sitting ducks if only the bad guys have guns.
 
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hog88 said:
No, just pointing out that you seem to have no problem with people carrying weapons in secure places as long as the .gov stamps them as ok. So why shouldn't a person with a carry permit be able to do the same?

Who's going to stop a crazed cop when everyone else has been disarmed?
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Your anecdote is something that has not happened. That means you are really, really reaching.
 
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hog88 said:
Maybe someone in the hotel that heard the massive amount of gunfire coming from his room could of done it instead of waiting 15-20 minutes for the cops?

We're all sitting ducks if only the bad guys have guns.
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He was barricaded in his suite with a bunch of high-powered weapons. No hotel clerk, employee or guest would have been in a position to stop him. Somebody with an assault rifle is almost always going to kill numerous people before being shot himself. Your idea seems to be, well, we'll all be safe if we all walk around with guns drawn....It's stupid and insane. It's 2023--not 1840.
 
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