Gun control debate (merged)

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hndog609 said:
You mean like not understanding that magazine fed centerfire semi-autos were available to the US public in 1905 (decades before US servicemen were issued rifles on a similar platform) but now anything with similar attributes is some nigh demonic "weapon of war" in their minds? (That's not particularly aimed at Looth but yeah, ignorance of the subject matter makes for poor arguments on the subject. Like basically anything Biden has to say that's firearm related.)
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We can pull up the Kevin de Leon video all day showing what a moron he is and lefties like luther will eat it up because he’s just as ignorant.
 
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C-south said:
The lady jogging at 4am didn’t live in fear either. But just to set you straight nobody here is living in fear unless it’s the self admitted ignorant person who wants more useless laws. I think the other side is just the opposite of fear yet prepared and aware.
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The living in fear argument is ridiculous. Fear, paired with a mature mind, can lead to better preparation and logical solutions.

Are politicians and celebrities living in fear when they hire or are provided armed security? No! Given their social status it is rational to take precautions.

Are residents living in fear when they buy a house in a gated community? No! They are adding an extra layer of security to protect their loved ones and assets.

Are armed VN poster living in fear when they carry a firearm to protect themselves? And maybe pack some extra ammo? Hell No! That’s just responsible!

The ones truly living in fear are usually the gun grabbers, as they are scared of guns!
 
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VOLS INC. said:
The living in fear argument is ridiculous. Fear, paired with a mature mind, can lead to better preparation and logical solutions.

Are politicians and celebrities living in fear when they hire or are provided armed security? No! Given their social status it is rational to take precautions.

Are residents living in fear when they buy a house in a gated community? No! They are adding an extra layer of security to protect their loved ones and assets.

Are armed VN poster living in fear when they carry a firearm to protect themselves? And maybe pack some extra ammo? Hell No! That’s just responsible!

The ones living in fear are usually the gun grabbers, as they are scared of guns!
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In retrospect there’s probably a few people in Memphis that wish they had been armed when some lawless pos with zero regard for human life ended there’s. Of course more laws will stop this especially when the ones already on the books aren’t being enforced on career, repeat offender criminals.
 
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luthervol said:
Why didn't you respond to Orangeslice? He's the one who made the idiotic statement.

Your indignation seems a tad selective.
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I’ve drawn my firearm 2 times in my life. Once against a wild animal in my side yard. Another time against an intruder that had the wrong address. I killed the animal and begged the intruder not to make me kill him. In either case without a firearm I’m likely dead. If you don’t want to be able to defend yourself then that’s your business and it’s absolutely a privileged mindset to think you’ll never have too. But your feelings aren’t a good reason for me to give up my rights and die because of it.
If there’s an idiot here today it’s clearly you.


The guy who has failed in business 2 times. Cried in his daughters arms when Trump was elected and currently makes his living off other peoples taxes.

But I digress
 
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hndog609 said:
You mean like not understanding that magazine fed centerfire semi-autos were available to the US public in 1905 (decades before US servicemen were issued rifles on a similar platform) but now anything with similar attributes is some nigh demonic "weapon of war" in their minds? (That's not particularly aimed at Looth but yeah, ignorance of the subject matter makes for poor arguments on the subject. Like basically anything Biden has to say that's firearm related.)
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Now follow that up with this........How many semi-autos were in circulation in 1910 and how many semi-autos are in circulation today.
Thanks for proving my point. Your selective gun knowledge in no way gives you the insight you assume.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’ve drawn my firearm 2 times in my life. Once against a wild animal in my side yard. Another time against an intruder that had the wrong address. I killed the animal and begged the intruder not to make me kill him. In either case without a firearm I’m likely dead. If you don’t want to be able to defend yourself then that’s your business and it’s absolutely a privileged mindset to think you’ll never have too. But your feelings aren’t a good reason for me to give up my rights and die because of it.
If there’s an idiot here today it’s clearly you.


The guy who has failed in business 2 times. Cried in his daughters arms when Trump was elected and currently makes his living off other peoples taxes.

But I digress
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luthervol said:
Absolutely. Knowledge about the issues surrounding the need for gun control and knowledge about guns aren't the same.
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True, but you are not really providing information or real discussion on either.

What you don't want to acknowledge, which is what people keep telling you is guns aren't the problem. Further gun legislation doesn't address the problem, if any.
 
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luthervol said:
Now follow that up with this........How many semi-autos were in circulation in 1910 and how many semi-autos are in circulation today.
Thanks for proving my point. Your selective gun knowledge in no way gives you the insight you assume.
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Your complete ignorance gives you none.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’ve drawn my firearm 2 times in my life. Once against a wild animal in my side yard. Another time against an intruder that had the wrong address. I killed the animal and begged the intruder not to make me kill him. In either case without a firearm I’m likely dead. If you don’t want to be able to defend yourself then that’s your business and it’s absolutely a privileged mindset to think you’ll never have too. But your feelings aren’t a good reason for me to give up my rights and die because of it.
If there’s an idiot here today it’s clearly you.


The guy who has failed in business 2 times. Cried in his daughters arms when Trump was elected and currently makes his living off other peoples taxes.

But I digress
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You do digress -- into lunacy......once again.
I've never suggested one time - ever - anything that would have kept you from being able to defend yourself in either of those instances. You claiming I have speaks to your digression.

Your oft repeated false claim of me crying in my daughter's arms the night Trump was elected also speaks to your digression - on multiple levels.

I did work for my dad a while in his small pet shop chain that went under after years because of the Pet Smarts and Walmarts of the world entering the market; and also had a small chain of video stores that closed their doors when Block Buster opened within a block of each of them. Guilty as charged on that one.

I am paid from other people's taxes - same as LEOs, Military, and millions of others. I have ZERO problem with that one.

Your defensiveness is even more glaring than your selective indignation.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
True, but you are not really providing information or real discussion on either.

What you don't want to acknowledge, which is what people keep telling you is guns aren't the problem. Further gun legislation doesn't address the problem, if any.
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I've had multiple extensive conversations and quickly realized they are pointless.

I simple disagree with your last statement; which is why I do not acknowledge it,
 
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luthervol said:
I admit almost complete ignorance on the subject of guns, not on the subject of gun control - which just so happens to be what this thread is actually about.

It would take a simple mind to confuse the two.
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How are you going to control something, or know what you need to control, if you dont know about the object in question?

You want to change the rules of football without understanding how the sport is played, what the positions mean, yard lines, endzone, coaches, the history, or anything about the sport itself.

To continue the analogy the rules you want to implement are removing the cleats from shoes since those are an obvious danger. Ignoring that they arent the cause of injury, and that in fact it probably protects against more injuries than they cause. But it's a hidden number you never see because you dont understand the sport.
 
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MarcoVol said:
Right?! It’s like men trying to tell women what they can and can’t do with their own …. wait a second
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Everyone in this thread is completely against killing innocent people with guns, so I am not sure where you are trying to go here....
 
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luthervol said:
You do digress -- into lunacy......once again.
I've never suggested one time - ever - anything that would have kept you from being able to defend yourself in either of those instances. You claiming I have speaks to your digression.

Your oft repeated false claim of me crying in my daughter's arms the night Trump was elected also speaks to your digression - on multiple levels.

I did work for my dad a while in his small pet shop chain that went under after years because of the Pet Smarts and Walmarts of the world entering the market; and also had a small chain of video stores that closed their doors when Block Buster opened within a block of each of them. Guilty as charged on that one.

I am paid from other people's taxes - same as LEOs, Military, and millions of others. I have ZERO problem with that one.

Your defensiveness is even more glaring than your selective indignation.
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At least they provide a service…..crybaby.
 
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LouderVol said:
How are you going to control something, or know what you need to control, if you dont know about the object in question?

You want to change the rules of football without understanding how the sport is played, what the positions mean, yard lines, endzone, coaches, the history, or anything about the sport itself.

To continue the analogy the rules you want to implement are removing the cleats from shoes since those are an obvious danger. Ignoring that they arent the cause of injury, and that in fact it probably protects against more injuries than they cause. But it's a hidden number you never see because you dont understand the sport.
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To me it's more like the people on here who comment on public education without ever having spent a minute working in public education.
I know as much, if not more, about the working of guns as most on here know about the workings of public education. The only difference is that I admit it. And our opinions are equally valid.....however you wish to access that.
 
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LouderVol said:
Pretty much my whole life. The infrastructure and traffic blow. And I live much more in the city than you have over the time period.
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Thanks, but I'm more interested in the answer from the person I actually asked.
And I don't know how you could have been more "in the city" than Grant Park and the Twin Towers.
 
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luthervol said:
Absolutely. Knowledge about the issues surrounding the need for gun control and knowledge about guns aren't the same.
We have plenty of posters who know tons about guns and yet have a complete lack of understanding about the issues surrounding the need for gun control.

People who feel that their knowledge of guns somehow makes them experts on gun control are the ones that crack me up.
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Who are the experts on gun control?
 
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luthervol said:
Now follow that up with this........How many semi-autos were in circulation in 1910 and how many semi-autos are in circulation today.
Thanks for proving my point. Your selective gun knowledge in no way gives you the insight you assume.
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I pretty much never bother to address you directly anymore, it's generally a waste of time, but this is a fantastic example of what I referenced earlier.

It'd be a daunting task to figure out exactly how many semi's were actually in circulation at any specific point but I do know between the 1905 & 1907 Winchesters (JUST those two by the way) approached 100K back when the nation was a couple hundred million less in population.

But even that's not your real failing in that retort. My express observation in the post to which you originally replied was the extraordinary amount of ignorance many people, particularly on the left/anti side of the equation, have about the very thing they're discussing. You trying to push some extrapolation about number of units* at any given time in circulation does absolutely jack all to refute the observation that was made, which remains just as accurate. Thanks for proving MY point.

*You might want to consider that the proliferation of semi-autos is nothing more than the wholly normal and understandable progression of simple improvements. We aren't driving Model T's anymore and firearms can self-load. And for a long, long time now. Autos have become (again, for a long time now) utterly ubiquitous as their cost has come down and reliability and utility have gone up. This is at the core of why the antis are such easy marks for being made fun of with the whole "weapons of war" or "deer don't wear kevlar"/etc. They simply can't get it through their poor little pointy heads that a modern semi-auto is literally, literally, just a modern rifle.
 
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luthervol said:
I've had multiple extensive conversations and quickly realized they are pointless.

I simple disagree with your last statement; which is why I do not acknowledge it,
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Exactly. You are not providing anything as to the last statement, so you are not providing anything of real value.

I could blame space aliens for it but if I don't provide anything of value to that discussion.... its not up to everyone else to live in my fantasy.... in this case yours.
 
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