Gun control debate (merged)

[UT_VOLS13]

However, if we had stricter gun laws, then gun violence would be reduced across the board whether white, black, etc., as evidenced by some of the countries with the lowest crime rates in the world having stricter gun laws. Stricter gun laws equal less gun violence. I think that is not debatable, so the issue is how much is your unfettered “right” to bear arms really worth to you. If it’s worth thousands of innocent American lives every year, including children, then just say it.

How many will get killed in Chicago this weekend?

 

[LSU-SIU]

However, if we had stricter gun laws, then gun violence would be reduced across the board whether white, black, etc., as evidenced by some of the countries with the lowest crime rates in the world having stricter gun laws. Stricter gun laws equal less gun violence.

Many of the inner cities in the United States have very strict gun laws, many of which are really unconstitutional, right? Yet, in many of those same jurisdictions you have heavy crime and high rates of gun violence. You do know that murdering people is against the law right? Putting in more laws isn't going to solve anything, it will probably make it worse.... as than only the criminals have guns.

Less violent people equals less violence. Mexico is a prime example of what you are saying is nonsense. Why not just put in a law in Afghanistan that nobody can have weapons.... I'm sure that will help.

Somehow where I live we have very little crime and really no gun crimes... yet everyone has a gun. LOL You think the criminals in Baltimore give a crap about your stupid gun laws? They'll be out on bail in a hour.

 

[GroverCleveland]

However, if we had stricter gun laws, then gun violence would be reduced across the board whether white, black, etc., as evidenced by some of the countries with the lowest crime rates in the world having stricter gun laws. Stricter gun laws equal less gun violence. I think that is not debatable, so the issue is how much is your unfettered “right” to bear arms really worth to you. If it’s worth thousands of innocent American lives every year, including children, then just say it.

Yes, it is.

Thomas Jefferson's quote about the tree of liberty must periodically be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants had nothing to do with dying on a beach in northern France. It was about things much, much closer to home.

 

[GroverCleveland]

However, if we had stricter gun laws, then gun violence would be reduced across the board whether white, black, etc., as evidenced by some of the countries with the lowest crime rates in the world having stricter gun laws. Stricter gun laws equal less gun violence. I think that is not debatable, so the issue is how much is your unfettered “right” to bear arms really worth to you. If it’s worth thousands of innocent American lives every year, including children, then just say it.

Actually quite the contrary in the United States. Stricter gun laws seem to have little to no effect on the crime rates. As @hog88 stated, we have a people problem, not a gun problem.

 

[GroverCleveland]

"And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. "

-excerpt from letter of Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, son-in-law to John Adams

 

[LouderVol]

However, if we had stricter gun laws, then gun violence would be reduced across the board whether white, black, etc., as evidenced by some of the countries with the lowest crime rates in the world having stricter gun laws. Stricter gun laws equal less gun violence. I think that is not debatable, so the issue is how much is your unfettered “right” to bear arms really worth to you. If it’s worth thousands of innocent American lives every year, including children, then just say it.

And what about the next mall shooting where a civilian doesnt shoot the shooter? What about the next time a victim of domestic abuse cant defend themself? What about the next time a whole department of cops sit around and let kids get murdered in a school?

It's weird, not really, how you only focus on the cases you want too. You ignore all the times gun laws dont work, as well as all of the cases of self defense. You ignore how many times it was the government giving guns to cartels, or letting known violent criminals back on the street.

 

[LSU-SIU]

How many will get killed in Chicago this weekend?

Its a good thing that they can't shoot well. Guys here are always laughing at how many bullets those people spray in Chicago and still can't hit anything.

 

[InVOLuntary]

And what about the next mall shooting where a civilian doesnt shoot the shooter? What about the next time a victim of domestic abuse cant defend themself? What about the next time a whole department of cops sit around and let kids get murdered in a school?

It's weird, not really, how you only focus on the cases you want too. You ignore all the times gun laws dont work, as well as all of the cases of self defense. You ignore how many times it was the government giving guns to cartels, or letting known violent criminals back on the street.

That's because his media sources ignore those things as well. He's lemming.

 

[luthervol]

There have always been violent people and there always will be violent people.
Some are intent on being as violent and destructive as humanly possible.
That's why I'm glad everyone doesn't have easy access to nukes and anti-aircraft weaponry.

If someone is intent on killing as many people as possible, I'd much prefer they not have a weapon which allows them to accomplish their goal with ease.

 

[LouderVol]

There have always been violent people and there always will be violent people.
Some are intent on being as violent and destructive as humanly possible.
That's why I'm glad everyone doesn't have easy access to nukes and anti-aircraft weaponry.

If someone is intent on killing as many people as possible, I'd much prefer they not have a weapon which allows them to accomplish their goal with ease.

A Luty is a fully automatic weapon that can be assembled with parts you can get from Home Depot with no special machining required.

That same Home Depot sells all the components you need for a bomb.

All you are doing is punishing law abiding citizens and making sure they are at a disadvantage to the bad guys. Despite you saying it happens all the time you have yet to produce a single instance of a case of self defense going bad. Not saying it doesnt, but it's clearly not a big enough issue where we need to react to it.

 

[luthervol]

A Luty is a fully automatic weapon that can be assembled with parts you can get from Home Depot with no special machining required.

That same Home Depot sells all the components you need for a bomb.

All you are doing is punishing law abiding citizens and making sure they are at a disadvantage to the bad guys. Despite you saying it happens all the time you have yet to produce a single instance of a case of self defense going bad. Not saying it doesnt, but it's clearly not a big enough issue where we need to react to it.

That is in no way relevant to anything that I said in my post.

I'm happy that nukes and anti-aircraft weapons are not easily available. I'll stand by that.
Maybe you think they should be easily available to the average citizen.....in which case, we simply disagree.

 

[utvolpj]

That is in no way relevant to anything that I said in my post.

I'm happy that nukes and anti-aircraft weapons are not easily available. I'll stand by that.
Maybe you think they should be easily available to the average citizen.....in which case, we simply disagree.

AA should absolutely be available when the sitting potus threatens citizens with F-15s

 

[luthervol]

AA should absolutely be available when the sitting potus threatens citizens with F-15s

?????

 

[C-south]

How many will get killed in Chicago this weekend?

Damn Indiana.

 

[C-south]

There have always been violent people and there always will be violent people.
Some are intent on being as violent and destructive as humanly possible.
That's why I'm glad everyone doesn't have easy access to nukes and anti-aircraft weaponry.

If someone is intent on killing as many people as possible, I'd much prefer they not have a weapon which allows them to accomplish their goal with ease.

Like a knife?

 

[C-south]

I know this won't really work with your narrative, but below are the 8 safest countries in the world:

• Iceland
• Denmark
• New Zealand
• Norway
• Austria
• Slovenia
• Japan
• Qatar

List their population and demographics now.

 

[LSU-SIU]

There have always been violent people and there always will be violent people.
Some are intent on being as violent and destructive as humanly possible.
That's why I'm glad everyone doesn't have easy access to nukes and anti-aircraft weaponry.

If someone is intent on killing as many people as possible, I'd much prefer they not have a weapon which allows them to accomplish their goal with ease.

Dude, just give me the keys to a dump truck.

 

[LouderVol]

That is in no way relevant to anything that I said in my post.

I'm happy that nukes and anti-aircraft weapons are not easily available. I'll stand by that.
Maybe you think they should be easily available to the average citizen.....in which case, we simply disagree.

Depends on what you mean by easy, but they would have to pay full retail and then they are responsible for it while it's in their possession.

How many states have turned into the Wild West since Consititutional Carry got passed in a bunch of states? Because we arent seeing wide spread cases of self defense going wrong. Or people getting into shoot outs now that they can carry.

 

[bnhunt]

I’ll say it. Yes it is.

We have a people problem not a gun problem, solve the problem with people being violent and you solve the gun violence problem.

I respectfully disagree. Take away the easy access to guns and if it truly is a people problem, then at least those people will have less access to guns to harm others, including young kids.

 

[bnhunt]

How many will get killed in Chicago this weekend?

One is too many, which is why we need stricter gun laws that we actually enforce. If it results in one less death, then it is worth it IMO.

 

[C-south]

I respectfully disagree. Take away the easy access to guns and if it truly is a people problem, then at least those people will have less access to guns to harm others, including young kids.

How are guns easily accessible?

 

[C-south]

One is too many, which is why we need stricter gun laws that we actually enforce. If it results in one less death, then it is worth it IMO.

Which is why I own firearms and carry. I don’t want that death being me or my loved ones.

 

[utvolpj]

I respectfully disagree. Take away the easy access to guns and if it truly is a people problem, then at least those people will have less access to guns to harm others, including young kids.

And how do you suggest take away existing guns?

If there are more guns in the hands of right wingers then why are the most dangerous areas controlled by the left?

 

[LSU-SIU]

I respectfully disagree. Take away the easy access to guns and if it truly is a people problem, then at least those people will have less access to guns to harm others, including young kids.

You're not going to take the guns away from the bad guys. You can't even keep guns away from convicted felons. LOL

There isn't anything to disagree with.

The guns aren't magically killing people.

You're not even identifying the "problem", letting alone addressing it. There is almost no crime where I live and almost no gun crime.... why? Yet, everyone has armories at their house.

 

[GroverCleveland]

One is too many, which is why we need stricter gun laws that we actually enforce. If it results in one less death, then it is worth it IMO.

The government is not enforcing the laws on the books now. Why do you think additional laws are going to help? Chicago has some of the most strict in the country. Many of the perps committing these crimes are breaking all kinds of gun laws. Please tell us what law(s) that are not on the books will actually solve anything?

You have a people problem. Collect all the guns and they'll find some other weapon to use. Did you not see that idiot that cold-cocked a guy from behind that ran on the news for a week? Been in and out of jail numerous times. Frankly, he should have been shot about two seconds after he pulled that stunt.