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UT_VOLS13 said:
House committee approves first assault weapons ban bill in decades
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I wish it was legal to own an actual SAW!🤣😂

Once again the left is just making 💩 up.

"The bill would make it a crime to "import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess a semiautomatic assault weapon (SAW) or large capacity ammunition feeding device," according to the bill’s summary. A few exceptions would be made."

"It would not include any "firearm that is (1) manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action; (2) permanently inoperable; (3) an antique; or (4) a rifle or shotgun specifically identified by make and model."
 
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Our nation falling into some politically motivated decline, defund the Police, and they want to take the weapons of citizens? That is what you call buying in a bubble market
 
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DonjoVol said:
Subset of what? Mass shooters or mass shooters who smoked pot? There have been statements that the Crimo guy was an isolated stoner. Cruz admitted to smoking pot. And I believe there was reporting the Uvalde shooter did as well.
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Apparently all three of them used toilet paper as well. Definitely worth a deeper look…
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
I wish it was legal to own an actual SAW!🤣😂

Once again the left is just making 💩 up.

"The bill would make it a crime to "import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess a semiautomatic assault weapon (SAW) or large capacity ammunition feeding device," according to the bill’s summary. A few exceptions would be made."

"It would not include any "firearm that is (1) manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action; (2) permanently inoperable; (3) an antique; or (4) a rifle or shotgun specifically identified by make and model."
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Can’t imaging what belt fed 5.56 would cost.
 
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utvolpj said:
Anti-psychotic drugs are much more of a common theme. Blaming pot is weak
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More of a problem than hallucinogens/psychotropics? Interesting.

Well known in the medical field that habitual, and especially early-age use of MJ increases risk of psychosis.

Debate for another thread, so carry on.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
I wish it was legal to own an actual SAW!🤣😂

Once again the left is just making 💩 up.

"The bill would make it a crime to "import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess a semiautomatic assault weapon (SAW) or large capacity ammunition feeding device," according to the bill’s summary. A few exceptions would be made."

"It would not include any "firearm that is (1) manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action; (2) permanently inoperable; (3) an antique; or (4) a rifle or shotgun specifically identified by make and model."
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It's going to be great, when due to their ignorance they end up approving something they really dont like.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
More of a problem than hallucinogens/psychotropics? Interesting.

Well known in the medical field that habitual, and especially early-age use of MJ increases risk of psychosis.

Debate for another thread, so carry on.
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Yes there was a study in these kids a couple years ago and they were all on high amounts of these prescribed drugs (antidepressants, antipsychotics, etc). More likely to be the cause than they "smoked some weed"

If we want to be a free society where a person like this had access to guns and ammo then I should also have access to weed without a Drs note.
 
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utvolpj said:
Yes there was a study in these kids a couple years ago and they were all on high amounts of these prescribed drugs (antidepressants, antipsychotics, etc). More likely to be the cause than they "smoked some weed"

If we want to be a free society where a person like this had access to guns and ammo then I should also have access to weed without a Drs note.
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And alcohol at any age? LSD, mushrooms, coke, meth, heroin, and fentanyl?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
And alcohol at any age? LSD, mushrooms, coke, meth, heroin, and fentanyl?
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I don't think a study demonizing alcohol will get very far. The others are much harder to obtain but it's been a while since I've read it. These drugs were prescribed to all of them. Keeping them away from firearms while being treated would seem like a good first step
 
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utvolpj said:
Yes there was a study in these kids a couple years ago and they were all on high amounts of these prescribed drugs (antidepressants, antipsychotics, etc). More likely to be the cause than they "smoked some weed"

If we want to be a free society where a person like this had access to guns and ammo then I should also have access to weed without a Drs note.
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There’s a reason it’s all on the background check. Maybe they should throw in a drug test since the “honor system” doesn’t work.
 
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Governor signs gun bill modeled after abortion law

This guy is the poster boy for psychosis. He taunts Governors of other states. He's despicable (to borrow from Luth).

I do have some serious questions though. How does a person from Cali sue another person or maker for $10K damages if the perp crossed state lines to purchase said banned weapon in a state it is not banned. Now, if buying a weapon out of state is not legal, except long arms, due to state residencies, that may be another story all together. (Same question for abortion with Texas using this loop hole law. How do you prosecute a woman crossing state lines, or a provider in another state performing hte abortion).

I am definitely pro-2A. However, I am not against background checks, waiting periods, etc., if properly applied. I am against new laws emerging that allows a person to slander another person and cause them not to be able to legally obtain a firearm. I've never had any citation beyond a speeding ticket. No misdemeanors at all. No diagnosis of any mental illness. I'd be highly pissed if someone could mis-report me for anything and ruins my ability to legally purchase a firearm, and the onus is on me to probably unsuccesfully regain my right.

But, at the end of the day, Gov Newsom, nor any other lawmaker, will ever design a law to prevent gun violence. The overwhelming majority of shootings are with illegally obtained firearms. And they side step remedies for that. No different than the war on drugs. You won't impact mass shootings in any measurable metric by preventing law abiding citizens the right to bear arms. In any of these mass shootings, just as many lives could have been taken with a lever action rifleor a couple six-shooters against unarmed and un-suspecting victims.
 
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GVF said:
Governor signs gun bill modeled after abortion law

This guy is the poster boy for psychosis. He taunts Governors of other states. He's despicable (to borrow from Luth).

I do have some serious questions though. How does a person from Cali sue another person or maker for $10K damages if the perp crossed state lines to purchase said banned weapon in a state it is not banned. Now, if buying a weapon out of state is not legal, except long arms, due to state residencies, that may be another story all together. (Same question for abortion with Texas using this loop hole law. How do you prosecute a woman crossing state lines, or a provider in another state performing hte abortion).

I am definitely pro-2A. However, I am not against background checks, waiting periods, etc., if properly applied. I am against new laws emerging that allows a person to slander another person and cause them not to be able to legally obtain a firearm. I've never had any citation beyond a speeding ticket. No misdemeanors at all. No diagnosis of any mental illness. I'd be highly pissed if someone could mis-report me for anything and ruins my ability to legally purchase a firearm, and the onus is on me to probably unsuccesfully regain my right.

But, at the end of the day, Gov Newsom, nor any other lawmaker, will ever design a law to prevent gun violence. The overwhelming majority of shootings are with illegally obtained firearms. And they side step remedies for that. No different than the war on drugs. You won't impact mass shootings in any measurable metric by preventing law abiding citizens the right to bear arms. In any of these mass shootings, just as many lives could have been taken with a lever action rifleor a couple six-shooters against unarmed and un-suspecting victims.
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****ing Texas azzholes opened the door.
 
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GVF said:
Governor signs gun bill modeled after abortion law

This guy is the poster boy for psychosis. He taunts Governors of other states. He's despicable (to borrow from Luth).

I do have some serious questions though. How does a person from Cali sue another person or maker for $10K damages if the perp crossed state lines to purchase said banned weapon in a state it is not banned. Now, if buying a weapon out of state is not legal, except long arms, due to state residencies, that may be another story all together. (Same question for abortion with Texas using this loop hole law. How do you prosecute a woman crossing state lines, or a provider in another state performing hte abortion).

I am definitely pro-2A. However, I am not against background checks, waiting periods, etc., if properly applied. I am against new laws emerging that allows a person to slander another person and cause them not to be able to legally obtain a firearm. I've never had any citation beyond a speeding ticket. No misdemeanors at all. No diagnosis of any mental illness. I'd be highly pissed if someone could mis-report me for anything and ruins my ability to legally purchase a firearm, and the onus is on me to probably unsuccesfully regain my right.

But, at the end of the day, Gov Newsom, nor any other lawmaker, will ever design a law to prevent gun violence. The overwhelming majority of shootings are with illegally obtained firearms. And they side step remedies for that. No different than the war on drugs. You won't impact mass shootings in any measurable metric by preventing law abiding citizens the right to bear arms. In any of these mass shootings, just as many lives could have been taken with a lever action rifleor a couple six-shooters against unarmed and un-suspecting victims.
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Lol at "abortion care".

Dumb laws are dumb. I am so glad, instead of anyone acting like an adult, everyone continues to get more and more childish.

The issue I see here is the 2A. Beyond the dumbness of both Texas and California laws. I dont see how you are going to enforce punishment across state lines for something that is legal within those state lines, especially when it comes to a guarenteed right. The civil loophole is just bs.
 
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hog88 said:
****ing Texas azzholes opened the door.
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Abortion is a gray area for me. I'm against it personally, and religiously, due to my upbringing and my own beliefs. But, within those same beliefs, how do I tell someone their choices have to be like my beliefs when they don't believe the same. If a woman makes that decision, I'd much rather her do it safely than endanger herself on the black market. What she did is a different story. So is telling them they have to conform to "my standards." I am against publically funded tax dollar abortions. The personal decisions you make, and the consequences, are yours to bear. And that's just the tip of the iceberg on how our tax dollars are excessive and abused.

If you are a separation of church and state die hard and are going to argue we are a rich country and should help others, then you are violating separation of church and state as benevolence has roots in christiandom. But that's a can of worms all to its own. Cause your taking my money in one hand and offering help to others as God says to do. Then you tell me you can't offer public prayer in schools.
 
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LouderVol said:
Lol at "abortion care".

Dumb laws are dumb. I am so glad, instead of anyone acting like an adult, everyone continues to get more and more childish.

The issue I see here is the 2A. Beyond the dumbness of both Texas and California laws. I dont see how you are going to enforce punishment across state lines for something that is legal within those state lines, especially when it comes to a guarenteed right. The civil loophole is just bs.
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My point. I don't get how either state is going to enforce either situation, and they both are ridiculous. Especially since we are a country of free inter-state travel.

Heck, a skilled bowman can inflict multiple killings before he is stopped. And using break down models he can conceal them until used rather decently.
 
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I don't know the legalese of what idiot Newsom has signed but the 2nd Amendment is a part of the Constitution of the United States. Roe v. Wade when comes to abortions is not nor has ever been a part of the United States Constitution despite what some purple headed liberals want to believe.
 
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GVF said:
Governor signs gun bill modeled after abortion law

This guy is the poster boy for psychosis. He taunts Governors of other states. He's despicable (to borrow from Luth).

I do have some serious questions though. How does a person from Cali sue another person or maker for $10K damages if the perp crossed state lines to purchase said banned weapon in a state it is not banned. Now, if buying a weapon out of state is not legal, except long arms, due to state residencies, that may be another story all together. (Same question for abortion with Texas using this loop hole law. How do you prosecute a woman crossing state lines, or a provider in another state performing hte abortion).

I am definitely pro-2A. However, I am not against background checks, waiting periods, etc., if properly applied. I am against new laws emerging that allows a person to slander another person and cause them not to be able to legally obtain a firearm. I've never had any citation beyond a speeding ticket. No misdemeanors at all. No diagnosis of any mental illness. I'd be highly pissed if someone could mis-report me for anything and ruins my ability to legally purchase a firearm, and the onus is on me to probably unsuccesfully regain my right.

But, at the end of the day, Gov Newsom, nor any other lawmaker, will ever design a law to prevent gun violence. The overwhelming majority of shootings are with illegally obtained firearms. And they side step remedies for that. No different than the war on drugs. You won't impact mass shootings in any measurable metric by preventing law abiding citizens the right to bear arms. In any of these mass shootings, just as many lives could have been taken with a lever action rifleor a couple six-shooters against unarmed and un-suspecting victims.
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And when an illegal invader or career criminal shoots someone the state should be held liable.
 
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