Gun control debate (merged)

[lawgator1]

And exactly what is the militia?

It was so that individual states would not be subject to tyranny.

 

[Grand Vol]

It was so that individual states would not be subject to tyranny.

I didn't ask why, I asked what.

Historical context please.

 

[lawgator1]

I didn't ask why, I asked what.

Historical context please.

Back then a loosely organized but in some respext trained group of men prepared to jointly defend their communities. It was not individuals. If you are reading that, read Hamilton in the Federalist Papers.

 

[Grand Vol]

Back then a loosely organized but in some respext trained group of men prepared to jointly defend their communities. It was not individuals. If you are reading that, read Hamilton in the Federalist Papers.

lol

It wasn't organized at all except for in times of need.

You should read the rest of the Federalist Papers.

 

[C-south]

I understand that the VERY FIRST RULE of statutory construction is that it is assumed that each part of a statute has meaning, ie is there for a reason. The gun nut position on this is utterly ridiculous because the phrase about a well regulated militia as the reason for the right to keep and bear arms just completely evaporates. The phrase is entirely read out of any significance which makes no sense, at all.

Each part has meaning and the statement “shall not be infringed” embodies all parts.

 

[C-south]

Back then a loosely organized but in some respext trained group of men prepared to jointly defend their communities. It was not individuals. If you are reading that, read Hamilton in the Federalist Papers.

You’re hanging your hat on the militia part when that’s only part of it. “,the right of the people to keep and bear arms,”.

 

[0nelilreb]

I understand that the VERY FIRST RULE of statutory construction is that it is assumed that each part of a statute has meaning, ie is there for a reason. The gun nut position on this is utterly ridiculous because the phrase about a well regulated militia as the reason for the right to keep and bear arms just completely evaporates. The phrase is entirely read out of any significance which makes no sense, at all.

what does that COMMA mean in the English language as it pertains to our 2a .. hint : if it meant anything other than how we pro 2a supports read it , you gun grabbers would have already confiscated our firearms .

 

[0nelilreb]

lol

It wasn't organized at all except for in times of need.

You should read the rest of the Federalist Papers.

Why did you specifically pick Hamilton and avoid giving Jefferson as an example ?

 

[0nelilreb]

Why did you specifically pick Hamilton and avoid giving Jefferson as an example ?

Woops sorry Grand .. you know that was meant for the lawyer that can’t read documents lol

 

[CagleMtnVol]

 

[CagleMtnVol]

Any Republican that supports this should be immediately recalled and/or voted out of office.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

this ought to go over big

So 4 people decide what the federal governments new lawful stance on gun control is? God help us all.

 

[85SugarVol]

Why did you specifically pick Hamilton and avoid giving Jefferson as an example ?

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

 

[MG1968]

Just the well-regulated militia that the founders intended. 'Murica!

Since you and the idiots you vote for want only the police to be armed, stop defunding the ****ing police.

 

[distrovol]

WTH is the boyfriend loophole?

 

[0nelilreb]

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

We know why he stayed away from Jefferson , why they all do , and why they love to quote the FF that believed and fought for a large central government that had unlimited power over the states .

 

[0nelilreb]

WTH is the boyfriend loophole?

That’s exactly what I asked

 

[85SugarVol]

We know why he stayed away from Jefferson , why they all do , and why they love to quote the FF that believed and fought for a large central government that had unlimited power over the states .

Yea, Hamilton was a Federalist to the core.

Also a big fan of the standing army…

 

[0nelilreb]

Yea, Hamilton was a Federalist to the core.

Also a big fan of the standing army…

He also was an elitist that craved money and power marrying into one of the area’s wealthiest families and holding Washington’s nut sack until he finally gave him a command . Power , Money , manipulated Washington for personal political gain , , Big central government , leaves his family in huge debt that his friends had to pay off , all because he couldn’t stop running his mouth about somebody else and gets himself shot in firearm duel ( irony ) . What a tremendous person to chose to quote on what should or shouldn’t be our individual rights.

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

Any Republican that supports this should be immediately recalled and/or voted out of office.

Look at the $ getting ready to be handed out. It’s pathetic.

• Allots more than $100 million to states and tribal authorities in the form of grants to “expand” mental health services, including mental health services delivered on school campuses
• Expands Byrne JAG grant program to cover implementation of “extreme risk protection orders,” a/k/a red flag laws, with zero framework for that except a cursory, “don’t violate their due process rights” warning
• As prohibiting factors, include juvenile criminal convictions (after 16 years) and admission to a mental hospital.
• Enhances sentencing for “straw purchasers” under federal law
• (Laughably), goes after drug dealers/cartels to stop gun-running (more in the additional piece).
• Allocates $100,000,000 to the FBI for “salaries and expenses…to meet additional resource needs of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System”
• Awards $1,400,000,000 (yes, that’s $1.4 billion) to the FBI for “State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance,” $750 million of which is earmarked for Byrne JAG grants
• $100,000,000 to the FBI to be used “for competitive grants to be administered by the Community Oriented Policing Services Office for purposes authorized under the STOP School Violence Act of 2018”

Pluralist - Text of Senate Gun Bill Released, and Your Rights Are Dangling by a Thread – Opinion

 

[0nelilreb]

Look at the $ getting ready to be handed out. It’s pathetic.

• Allots more than $100 million to states and tribal authorities in the form of grants to “expand” mental health services, including mental health services delivered on school campuses
• Expands Byrne JAG grant program to cover implementation of “extreme risk protection orders,” a/k/a red flag laws, with zero framework for that except a cursory, “don’t violate their due process rights” warning
• As prohibiting factors, include juvenile criminal convictions (after 16 years) and admission to a mental hospital.
• Enhances sentencing for “straw purchasers” under federal law
• (Laughably), goes after drug dealers/cartels to stop gun-running (more in the additional piece).
• Allocates $100,000,000 to the FBI for “salaries and expenses…to meet additional resource needs of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System”
• Awards $1,400,000,000 (yes, that’s $1.4 billion) to the FBI for “State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance,” $750 million of which is earmarked for Byrne JAG grants
• $100,000,000 to the FBI to be used “for competitive grants to be administered by the Community Oriented Policing Services Office for purposes authorized under the STOP School Violence Act of 2018”

Pluralist - Text of Senate Gun Bill Released, and Your Rights Are Dangling by a Thread – Opinion

That’s why I hate government.. pork pork pork pork pork pork . Most of this money will never even see the intended target .

 

[hog88]

Look at the $ getting ready to be handed out. It’s pathetic.

• Allots more than $100 million to states and tribal authorities in the form of grants to “expand” mental health services, including mental health services delivered on school campuses
• Expands Byrne JAG grant program to cover implementation of “extreme risk protection orders,” a/k/a red flag laws, with zero framework for that except a cursory, “don’t violate their due process rights” warning
• As prohibiting factors, include juvenile criminal convictions (after 16 years) and admission to a mental hospital.
• Enhances sentencing for “straw purchasers” under federal law
• (Laughably), goes after drug dealers/cartels to stop gun-running (more in the additional piece).
• Allocates $100,000,000 to the FBI for “salaries and expenses…to meet additional resource needs of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System”
• Awards $1,400,000,000 (yes, that’s $1.4 billion) to the FBI for “State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance,” $750 million of which is earmarked for Byrne JAG grants
• $100,000,000 to the FBI to be used “for competitive grants to be administered by the Community Oriented Policing Services Office for purposes authorized under the STOP School Violence Act of 2018”

Pluralist - Text of Senate Gun Bill Released, and Your Rights Are Dangling by a Thread – Opinion

When they should be dismantling the FBI they use tragedy to give it more money and power.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Look at the $ getting ready to be handed out. It’s pathetic.

• Allots more than $100 million to states and tribal authorities in the form of grants to “expand” mental health services, including mental health services delivered on school campuses
• Expands Byrne JAG grant program to cover implementation of “extreme risk protection orders,” a/k/a red flag laws, with zero framework for that except a cursory, “don’t violate their due process rights” warning
• As prohibiting factors, include juvenile criminal convictions (after 16 years) and admission to a mental hospital.
• Enhances sentencing for “straw purchasers” under federal law
• (Laughably), goes after drug dealers/cartels to stop gun-running (more in the additional piece).
• Allocates $100,000,000 to the FBI for “salaries and expenses…to meet additional resource needs of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System”
• Awards $1,400,000,000 (yes, that’s $1.4 billion) to the FBI for “State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance,” $750 million of which is earmarked for Byrne JAG grants
• $100,000,000 to the FBI to be used “for competitive grants to be administered by the Community Oriented Policing Services Office for purposes authorized under the STOP School Violence Act of 2018”

Pluralist - Text of Senate Gun Bill Released, and Your Rights Are Dangling by a Thread – Opinion

The whole bill is a joke, watered down, and won't do a thing to stop the killings, and access to guns by people who shouldn't have access. It should simply be called The ******** Bill.

 

[LouderVol]

The whole bill is a joke, watered down, and won't do a thing to stop the killings, and access to guns by people who shouldn't have access. It should simply be called The ******** Bill.

That's the intent.

They avoid fixing the real issue. Then when it fails they continue to blame the guns they didnt get this last time. And now they need to take away a few more guns, a few more red flag laws.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Still, the fact remains that his logic is flawed as evidenced by the counterpoint created by these facts, which are just a few of the many of such examples that point out that the “right to defend myself” is defended much more vigorously than other rights regardless of consequence… and that normally people prefer to address real problems in lieu of indulging in unfettered hobbies.

So, who’s coming to get mine, you or luther?