Gun control debate (merged)

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0nelilreb said:
No they didn’t . Our farmers , fur traders , and city people , didn’t have the exact army issued rifles . They most certainly didn’t have the experience or training for war . We took on and defeated the greatest and most well funded army the world had ever seen , with what we could make due with . Like it or not it is very relatable and small countries around the world have proven it to be true since then.
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Yes, but it was cannons and muskets vs cannons and muskets. Stop avoiding the question, could American citizens stand up to the US military in 2020?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No the 2nd amendment and God given right to defense is why the citizens have the right to arm themselves. Which is perfectly normal and nothing will EVER change that, no matter how hard anti gun nuts wish it to be so
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I’m not an anti-gun nut. I’m a practice person posing real-world questions.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
It’s clear you don’t understand constitutional law. Better stick to mediocre healthcare
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We aren’t talking about constitutional law, we are talking about practicality. Please do t make me explain the difference. If you don’t want to have that discussion then just fade away in bewilderment and anger...
 
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OHvol40 said:
So we basically just rely on your judgement rather than the law? Because I guarantee not everyone has the same principles, especially when money is involved.
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And you instead rely on the law? Because I guarantee you the ones passing them have just as poor of judgement, especially when money is involved.

Far harder for atrocities to be performed by a weak government vs a strong population. Then the other way around.

And if you look at historical trends government backed genocides are growing vs violent crimes descending.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Yes, but it was cannons and muskets vs cannons and muskets. Stop avoiding the question, could American citizens stand up to the US military in 2020?
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I’ve already answered it . Yes . How is it possible that Afghanistan can defeat the Russians and hold off the greatest most well funded army on the planet for 20 years , but don’t think the country with the most firearms on the planet couldn’t if things went to sh!t ? That is not logical .
 
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0nelilreb said:
No organization now , that would change just like it did with the FF. No armor, that would change just like it did with the FF , you underestimate the will of American citizens when their government turns to tyranny just like the British did . How long before you start to see a correlation between what happened in our past and what could happen again ?
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You consistently avoid my simple question with a simple explanation. Do citizens of the US armed with small arms stand a chance against an invasion of the US military?
 
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OHvol40 said:
So do you believe armed American citizens could defend themselves against the US military? (Not being snarky, genuinely interested)
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Why do you believe the US military would raise arms against the citizens? Why do you assume they would work to prop up a government which the citizens have risen up en masse to overthrow?
 
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OHvol40 said:
You consistently avoid my simple question with a simple explanation. Do citizens of the US armed with small arms stand a chance against an invasion of the US military?
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Just explained that in that post . It is only small arms now . If sh!t hit the fan that would change .
 
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LouderVol said:
also trade goods, and because they were in the way of the rail roads. I dont see those as issues now.

What underlying problem do you see to blame?

Habitat destruction? Cant blame guns, so it wont be that.
Migration limitation and change of grazing patterns? Again hard to blame guns.

Species getting killed off is not a uniquely gun problem. We were doing that long before we figured out the wheel.
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Thank you for pointing out habitat destruction and migration interruption as reasons for furthering conservation. I’ve never, once, said guns have anything to do with animal conservation. Not sure what you’re getting at?
 
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LouderVol said:
And you instead rely on the law? Because I guarantee you the ones passing them have just as poor of judgement, especially when money is involved.

Far harder for atrocities to be performed by a weak government vs a strong population. Then the other way around.

And if you look at historical trends government backed genocides are growing vs violent crimes descending.
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Check out how much our government spends on “defense”. I’m sure you’re furious.
 
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OHvol40 said:
If you can’t count on that, and the military follows their orders against US citizens... what does that ultimately mean? Because that’s the excuse I hear consistently for keeping citizens armed.
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I would expect the officer corps of the military to execute the last lawful order they were given as they are required to do so by the UCMJ. Note the bolded word.
 
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Mick said:
This thread is the place where you'll find quite a few single issue voters., most have the government hatred from constitutional times.
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As opposed to the unconstitutional times we are in?

Thanks for validating our stance.
 
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0nelilreb said:
I’ve already answered it . Yes . How is it possible that Afghanistan can defeat the Russians and hold off the greatest most well funded army on the planet for 20 years , but don’t think the country with the most firearms on the planet couldn’t if things went to sh!t ? That is not logical .
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I disagree. I think you’d be plinking an Abrams with your AR and get blown up, or get strafed by an Apache just like everyone else.
 
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OHvol40 said:
The contention is that people arm themselves against tyranny from within... I’m asking if that’s practical.
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With an attitude like that it damn sure will allow tyranny to remain in place that’s for sure.

I would bet all my VN bucks that no General Officer would order troops under his command to fire on US citizens. And if it got so bad that citizens were raising arms against the government I’d bet the rest of my VN bucks that many if not most would cross over.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I disagree. I think you’d be plinking an Abrams with your AR and get blown up, or get strafed by an Apache just like everyone else.
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How long do you think killing their fellow countrymen like that would last before they stopped , the first time ? Second maybe ?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Why do you believe the US military would raise arms against the citizens? Why do you assume they would work to prop up a government which the citizens have risen up en masse to overthrow?
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I don’t assume that, but many 2A advocates claim that’s exactly why we should have blanket laws to arm every citizen, I’m just acquiring as to the legitimacy of that claim.
 
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