Gun control debate (merged)

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#9,976
ClearwaterVol said:
so not a responsible gun owner you want to hang out with?
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He might be??? dont know?
Just saying its weird to carry on your back. Harder to get to if you need it. Easier to get to if somebody other than you wants to draw it.
I dont get it
 
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evillawyer said:
Vacationing in a red state. 11:00 PM tonight I had to fill up the rental car before returning it earlytomorrow morning. Go to a gas station. No other cars there. Pull up to the pump and put the car in park, but before I kill the engine another car drives in and parks in a shaded area. Dude (moderately sketchy looking) gets out and puts something in the back of his pants. As he walks by, staring at me, I notice it's a gun. Once he walks by, I get the hell out of Dodge.

Query: Does living in a place where that's allowed make you feel safer? Would you go into the gas station in that situation? Would you bring your family in with you? Do you think that's good for business?
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Lol. Me seeing him with a gun would.do nothing to change my opinion of the matter. And no I am not armed in said situation.

Have you spent anytime in the inner city of your choosing or the countryside? This just sounds so white flight ish it's amazing. I bet someone smoking a whole marijuana gives you PTSD too.
 
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evillawyer said:
One other detail. Don't know if it makes a difference for folks. When he tucked it in to his back waistband, he also tucked in that portion of the shirt. Thus, the handle of the gun was visible and the gun was much easier for him to access, as he would not need to pull up the back of his shirt to get to the gun.
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Sounds like a typical cop to me. Especially an off duty or plain clothes

You are such a puss.
 
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luthervol said:
Wrong on both counts.
People are limited in the free practice of their religion in many work environments.
Typhoid Mary's right to trade and roam freely were correctly trumped by the rights of the many to not be exposed to typhoid.
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Looks like you do live under a rock.
 
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evillawyer said:
Afew other questions for you. Suppose the cashier had seen what I had seen and was armed himself. Does he have the right to take a defensive position and aim the gun at the guy as he walks in? Or at least to have his hand on the guy already? He doesn't have to wait until the guy draws first does he? And the guy walking in, if he sees that the cashier had his hand on his gun, can he likewise draw his?

One thing that the episode impressed upon me is how the presence of firearms can quickly escalate what was likely just an innocuous instance of guy going to get a bag of Doritos at a gas station convenience store at 11:00 at night.
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Absolutely no right to point a gun at someone first. Only aim at what you are ready to shoot. And honestly I doubt the attendant reacts much at all unless he has been hit before. He is used to seeing worse than a guy with a gun tucked somewhere.

I thought I grew up sheltered but jesus christ man.
 
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luthervol said:
Wrong on both counts.
People are limited in the free practice of their religion in many work environments.
Typhoid Mary's right to trade and roam freely were correctly trumped by the rights of the many to not be exposed to typhoid.
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So a gun does damage just by being there? Active damage?

A better comparison would be to lock up everyone. They might sneeze and spread those same diseases.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm 100% consistent and have never once in my life said the answer is to stop having guns.

You guys and your false assumptions and accusations.
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So you dont want to take away guns from anyone you considered deranged/unstable etc?

I am pretty sure you have called every trump supporter worse than that.
 
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luthervol said:
Wrong on both counts.
People are limited in the free practice of their religion in many work environments.
Typhoid Mary's right to trade and roam freely were correctly trumped by the rights of the many to not be exposed to typhoid.
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Typhoid Mary is probably a bad example if you read the whole story , they released her after she promised not to cook again knowing she was a carrier of typhoid . It’s actially a prime example of why you shouldn’t trust the prominent people and government . We won’t even get into the fact they chased her down , injected something into her body to knock her out against her wishes , just to get a stool sample so they could test their theory .
 
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hog88 said:
My rights cannot hurt others, only I can hurt others which I have no right to do.
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When exercising certain individual rights presents to much of a danger to others, those rights may need to be regulated, curtailed, or restricted. (think speed limits or think Typhoid Mary)
 
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LouderVol said:
So you dont want to take away guns from anyone you considered deranged/unstable etc?

I am pretty sure you have called every trump supporter worse than that.
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I certainly want to take guns from people who are crazy and a danger to themselves and others.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Typhoid Mary is probably a bad example if you read the whole story , they released her after she promised not to cook again knowing she was a carrier of typhoid . It’s actially a prime example of why you shouldn’t trust the prominent people and government . We won’t even get into the fact they chased her down , injected something into her body to knock her out against her wishes , just to get a stool sample so they could test their theory .
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I don't know that you aren't supporting my argument more than your own. They released her, big mistake. They didn't release her the second time.
Her individual rights were certainly outweighed by society's rights.
 
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luthervol said:
When exercising certain individual rights presents to much of a danger to others, those rights may need to be regulated, curtailed, or restricted. (think speed limits or think Typhoid Mary)
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No Luther you have it backwards. You only punish those that hurt others, you don’t punish the innocent.
 
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luthervol said:
I don't know that you aren't supporting my argument more than your own. They released her, big mistake. They didn't release her the second time.
Her individual rights were certainly outweighed by society's rights.
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Same with the way they “ caught her “ on a hunch , taking samples by force , just to test their theories . This is the government you want to see ? That’s my point we have rights for a reason , they keep powerful individuals and governments from doing as they please , when they please , and to whom . Like i said Typhoid Mary probably isn’t a good case for you to point out . Read about how many they didn’t do that too , but knew they also carried the disease. You are making the case that the ends in this case justified the means while overlooking everything they did to violate almost every right she had . The question is ..what if they were wrong ? Do you support the government chasing you down and injecting you with unknown substances to knock you out and take sample from you based on a theory ?
 
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0nelilreb said:
Same with the way they “ caught her “ on a hunch , taking samples by force , just to test their theories . This is the government you want to see ? That’s my point we have rights for a reason , they keep powerful individuals and governments from doing as they please , when they please , and to whom . Like i said Typhoid Mary probably isn’t a good case for you to point out . Read about how many they didn’t do that too , but knew they also carried the disease. You are making the case that the ends in this case justified the means while overlooking everything they did to violate almost every right she had . The question is ..what if they were wrong ? Do you support the government chasing you down and injecting you with unknown substances to knock you out and take sample from you based on a theory ?
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She was asked multiple times to provide samples but refused. She was ultimately arrested. I support the government 100% in this situation. Had she complied or had they arrested her earlier, a few lives would have been saved and multiple people would have avoided being unnecessarily infected with typhoid fever.
 
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luthervol said:
She was asked multiple times to provide samples but refused. She was ultimately arrested. I support the government 100% in this situation. Had she complied or had they arrested her earlier, a few lives would have been saved and multiple people would have avoided being unnecessarily infected with typhoid fever.
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I’m not surprised in the least.
 
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luthervol said:
She was asked multiple times to provide samples but refused. She was ultimately arrested. I support the government 100% in this situation. Had she complied or had they arrested her earlier, a few lives would have been saved and multiple people would have avoided being unnecessarily infected with typhoid fever.
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You knowing all the facts and how they went about it , seeing you say that “you support the government 100% “ is what scares the hell out most of us about a progressive liberal mind and how it processes things , justifying the means to accomplish the end goal .
 
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0nelilreb said:
You knowing all the facts and how they went about it , seeing you say that “you support the government 100% “ is what scares the hell out most of us about a progressive liberal mind and how it processes things , justifying the means to accomplish the end goal .
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The government didn't even get involved until they had to. (to late IMO) She had ample opportunity to comply with doctors and then the health department and she refused....more people died and even more were infected. She more or less killed people. Is that her right? Give me a break. If it were a suspected rapist, you would be all for the arrest and testing. (at least I think you would be)
 
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luthervol said:
The government didn't even get involved until they had to. (to late IMO) She had ample opportunity to comply with doctors and then the health department and she refused....more people died and even more were infected. She more or less killed people. Is that her right? Give me a break. If it were a suspected rapist, you would be all for the arrest and testing. (at least I think you would be)
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https://listverse.com/2018/07/10/10-things-few-people-know-about-typhoid-mary/

Read what they did , how they did it , who did it and apply that to modern times let’s use the aids epidemic Oprah was talking about . Then tell me if you are still for kidnapping people against their will , injecting them against their will , taking sample from them , using experimental drugs on them and telling them if they let them do a surgery on them they can go free otherwise we will ship you off to an island with no contact with the outside world except for what we decide you can have .
 
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