Gun control debate (merged)

[Matt2496]

Have fun being a criminal then if it comes to them coming to take your guns.

Weak response.

I'd expect no less from you however.

 

[Mick]

Why is it the government's decision, without any due process, to decide who or doesn't get to own a gun? Also, in order to buy a gun, there is already a mandatory FBI background check required by law (with mental health records). Do you realize these red flag laws only penalize the law abiding citizens?

There are more guns than there are people in the US. Good luck confiscating guns.

Another thing, mental health records are not made available to the background check system because of health privacy laws.

I would expect you to know that if that is your position.

 

[FLVOL69]

Another thing, mental health records are not made available to the background check system because of health privacy laws.

Well aren’t you the lucky one

 

[Matt2496]

Another thing, mental health records are not made available to the background check system because of health privacy laws.

I would expect you to know that if that is your position.

There are mental health records available to the NICS database.

 

[Mick]

There are mental health records available to the NICS database.

only a small subset of HIPAA covered entities to disclose to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System the identities of individuals who are already prohibited by federal law from having a firearm.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Despite Mass Shootings, We Must Not Demonize Legal Gun Owners

Just want to make sure @evillawyer sees this quote and gets her panties all bunched up.

As the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention noted in a 2013 report, almost all national studies of defensive gun uses have found that firearms are used in self-defense between 500,000 and 3 million times every year in the United States.

Even the center’s own internal data indicates that firearms are used defensively about 1 million times a year.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The Supreme Court agrees with it and it's not your right to own an Assault style weapon.

There is no need test on weapon features. Stop trolling.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Well aren’t you the lucky one

Lol.......so true.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

only a small subset of HIPAA covered entities to disclose to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System the identities of individuals who are already prohibited by federal law from having a firearm.

The APA says mentally ill people aren’t doing this and we need to stop demonizing them.

 

[Mick]

The APA says mentally ill people aren’t doing this and we need to stop demonizing them.

They did not.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/defensive-ar-15-uses/

 

[DancingOutlaw]

They did not.

Psychological association warns against blaming mass shootings on mental illness

 

[Mick]

Psychological association warns against blaming mass shootings on mental illness

In a statement, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) said gun violence is a public health crisis, and noted that “the overwhelming majority of people with mental illness are not violent and far more likely to be victims of violent crime than perpetrators of violence.”

The APA said that people with mental illness are being stigmatized.

"Rhetoric that argues otherwise will further stigmatize and interfere with people accessing needed treatment. Individuals can also be emboldened to act violently by the public discourse and divisive rhetoric,” the organization said.

“4 out of 5 mass shooters have no mental illness diagnosis, and half showed no signs on a prior, undiagnosed illness,” Murphy tweeted. “Framing this as just a mental illness problem is a gun industry trope. Period. Stop.”

Now do you agree with them?

 

[DynaLo]

The Supreme Court agrees with it and it's not your right to own an Assault style weapon.

Not all of them agree.

Once again I will ask..define the actual mechanics that make a firearm an assault weapon. Scary looking doesn't count.

 

[37L1]

In a statement, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) said gun violence is a public health crisis, and noted that “the overwhelming majority of people with mental illness are not violent and far more likely to be victims of violent crime than perpetrators of violence.”

The APA said that people with mental illness are being stigmatized.

"Rhetoric that argues otherwise will further stigmatize and interfere with people accessing needed treatment. Individuals can also be emboldened to act violently by the public discourse and divisive rhetoric,” the organization said.

“4 out of 5 mass shooters have no mental illness diagnosis, and half showed no signs on a prior, undiagnosed illness,” Murphy tweeted. “Framing this as just a mental illness problem is a gun industry trope. Period. Stop.”

Now do you agree with them?

So you are saying those who are committing mass murders are sane?

Is that right?

 

[Mick]

Not all of them agree.

Once again I will ask..define the actual mechanics that make a firearm an assault weapon. Scary looking doesn't count.

I think the prevailing take on assault style rifles is the ability to accomodate large capacity magazines. Some would like to limit the definition to an SBR with full auto. What do you consider an assault rifle?

 

[DynaLo]

Have fun being a criminal then if it comes to them coming to take your guns.

Over 130 million legal gun owners with an estimated 393 million guns and around a trillion plus rounds of ammo.

If there was a gun problem in this country, you'd know it with a quickness.

 

[37L1]

I think the prevailing take on assault style rifles is the ability to accomodate large capacity magazines. Some would like to limit the definition to an SBR with full auto. What do you consider an assault rifle?

So a pistol with over 10 round mag capability is an "assault weapon"? Is that what you are saying?

 

[Mick]

Over 130 million legal gun owners with an estimated 393 million guns and around a trillion plus rounds of ammo.

If there was a gun problem in this country, you'd know it with a quickness.

The quickness of what exactly?

 

[Mick]

Over 130 million legal gun owners with an estimated 393 million guns and around a trillion plus rounds of ammo.

If there was a gun problem in this country, you'd know it with a quickness.

Don't let it escape you, people that are democrats or independents are half of them.

 

[37L1]

Don't let it escape you, people that vote democrat are half of them.

Half? How do you know this?

 

[Mick]

Half? How do you know this?

Misspoke:
The demographics and politics of gun-owning households

 

[DynaLo]

I think the prevailing take on assault style rifles is the ability to accomodate large capacity magazines. Some would like to limit the definition to an SBR with full auto. What do you consider an assault rifle?

Define large capacity, is it 10 rounds, 17 rounds, 30 rounds or drum mags?

Assault rifles are by very definition those used solely by the military which have the capability to fire single shot, 3 round bursts and full auto via switching mechanisms.

 

[37L1]

Misspoke:
The demographics and politics of gun-owning households

Kudos for owning up to it @Mick

 

[DynaLo]

The quickness of what exactly?

If even 1% of legal gun owners were out shooting the living Hades out of the countryside you'd don't think with social media and 24/7 news cycles that everyone would know with a quickness?