Gun control debate (merged)

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evillawyer said:
Correct me if I'm wrong (I avoid all things gun), but doesn't the NRA advocate for open carry rights for all firearms and no limits on ammunition? Seems like this kid was just testing the limits of the absurd world the NRA is fighting to put us in.
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Indeed they do. And as we’ve already discussed in this very thread on the topic of open carry (you even made a post asking me a question on it) having the RIGHT to do something doesn’t equate to having the common sense to know when and when not to do it.

There is a time and a place for open carry. In my opinion a Walmart run for ciggies and some ripple for the weekend doesn’t meet that criteria. That’s just my opinion.

What’s going to be interesting is to see if they charge him and if they do what the charges are. Sadly being a dumbass is not currently against the law.
 
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evillawyer said:
Stats my brother. You got em? I got a boatload saying the presence of guns in the home make women less safe. Boyfriend's have a tendency to shoot em when things go downhill.
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And you continually ignore opposing stats showing they are effective, even stats from the CDC that were posted earlier today, and continue to bra thump that you’re right.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
And you continually ignore opposing stats showing they are effective, even stats from the CDC that were posted earlier today, and continue to bra thump that you’re right.
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Sorry, ducking in and out, but hadn't the CDC been effectively barred from gun research since the 1990s?
 
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evillawyer said:
Having a Gun in the House Doesn't Make a Woman Safer
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No the CDC study which @DEFENDTHISHOUSE posted refuted another of your spam posts which you appear to have ignored. It was @DynaLo whom rebutted your post showing female gun ownership on the rise which you appear to have ignored also. Which is your standard method, drop a drive by turd in the punch bowl as passing by and not bothering to read any replies so totally understandable how you missed both.

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Uh huh...

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/cdc-gun-violence-study-goes-against-media-narrative/
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DynaLo said:
Well it seems some are making themselves safer.

There are an estimated 20 million female gun owners in the U.S., according to The Well Armed Woman, a membership and training organization for women gun owners.

When it comes to purchasing firearms and gear, women don’t hold back. 60% of women polled bought at least one handgun in 2018. 26% purchased more than two. The Well Armed Woman survey of 2017 showed women, on average, personally own 5.6 guns. Women aren’t just buying handguns, 26.39% of women polled purchased a long gun in 2018.
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NorthDallas40 said:
No the CDC study which @DEFENDTHISHOUSE posted refuted another of your spam posts which you appear to have ignored. It was @DynaLo whom rebutted your post showing female gun ownership on the rise which you appear to have ignored also. Which is your standard method, drop a drive by turd in the punch bowl as passing by and not bothering to read any replies so totally understandable how you missed both.
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So the question was are females with access to guns safer and I was quoted stats showing an increase in female gun ownership. Explain to me Captain Obtuse how that shows women who have access to guns are safer. The only way it would is if you beg the question by assuming the very thing (mo guns, mo safe) that needs to be established.
 
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evillawyer said:
So the question was are females with access to guns safer and I was quoted stats showing an increase in female gun ownership. Explain to me Captain Obtuse how that shows women who have access to guns are safer. The only way it would is if you beg the question by assuming the very thing (mo guns, mo safe) that needs to be established.
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You’re absolutely right Ms Genius. All females should immediately have all 2a and self defense rights removed with only male citizens retaining access to firearms. Pardon me for not properly cataloging the entirety of your spam. In the future look it up your own lazy ass self. What a dumbass statement bolded above and what a dumbass article title.

And as I replied to your female argument earlier we need to study this more. Let’s break out the gender and race of the attacking guns so as the isolate the specific gun issue. I read your article. It’s cherry picked tripe. But hey if you want to remove female access to firearms feel free to press that girl.
 
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evillawyer said:
Correct me if I'm wrong (I avoid all things gun), but doesn't the NRA advocate for open carry rights for all firearms and no limits on ammunition? Seems like this kid was just testing the limits of the absurd world the NRA is fighting to put us in.
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Can't answer as I'm not an NRA person. They've yet to satisfactory prove to me that they support 2A in its original unadulterated form or have the best interests of firearms owners truly at heart.
 
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evillawyer said:
Stats my brother. You got em? I got a boatload saying the presence of guns in the home make women less safe. Boyfriend's have a tendency to shoot em when things go downhill.
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Context matters...

Those stats are completely worthless unless we know if the women are trained on firearms usage.

They become even more worthless unless we also know if the women are firearms owners.

Were the women terrified of guns, shot after a physical assault, shot in their sleep?

As I stated once before in this forum, my Ex threatened, until he was reminded I was always armed as well. He knew me well enough to realize I wouldn't hesitate for even a blink to permanently drop him if he came at me and he'd only have one split second chance to make it count..
 
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DynaLo said:
Context matters...

Those stats are completely worthless unless we know if the women are trained on firearms usage.

They become even more worthless unless we also know if the women are firearms owners.

Were the women terrified of guns, shot after a physical assault, shot in their sleep?

As I stated once before in this forum, my Ex threatened, until he was reminded I was always armed as well. He knew me well enough to realize I wouldn't hesitate for even a blink to permanently drop him if he came at me and he'd only have one split second chance to make it count..
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Context also matters in @evillawyer ’s article usage of the data. The summary from the report, not the tripe article that she listed, is shown below. The article used the study but attached their own conclusions. In the study female homicide by gun was below that of completed suicide. Their conclusion? “Restrict” access to firearms. And I’m not sure the underlined section is even lawful since .gov cannot legally maintain a citizens firearm registry database. And in The Atlantic and lady evils mind restrict clearly means removal, their own conclusion. More cherry picked tripe attaching their own conclusions.

In summary, we found the association between firearm availability and homicide to be more modest than that between firearm availability and completed suicide. Future studies of firearm access and homicide risk should focus on the role that social factors and surrounding living conditions play in homicide victimization. Furthermore, the National Research Council has acknowledged the difficulty in establishing firearm ownership in studies because of privacy and questionable legality concerns (28). As such, it recommended that researchers receive adequate access to data to trace firearms (28). Future studies of the effect of firearms used in violent injuries may, as a result, have a lower risk for misclassification of firearm ownership and yield more methodologically robust results. Nonetheless, the evidence that we synthesize here helps to elucidate the risks of having a firearm in the home; restricting that access may effectively prevent injury (29).
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DynaLo said:
I read your article and here's the problem.

"primarily just to scare the attacking male partner away."

How many of those women have had proper firearms training? If they had, then they would understand the first rule of drawing a weapon.

Don't draw it unless you're going to pull the trigger.
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The article twisted the study results and attached their own conclusions
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Context also matters in @evillawyer ’s article usage of the data. The summary from the report, not the tripe article that she listed, is shown below. The article used the study but attached their own conclusions. In the study female homicide by gun was below that of completed suicide. Their conclusion? “Restrict” access to firearms. And I’m not sure the underlined section is even lawful since .gov cannot legally maintain a citizens firearm registry database. And in The Atlantic and lady evils mind restrict clearly means removal, their own conclusion. More cherry picked tripe attaching their own conclusions.
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Restricted..lol..I'm pretty much of the opinion they can kma and try to get them.

2A has no gender, not even any of the left's fairly tale made up genders.
 
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DynaLo said:
Are you intentionally obtuse or just completely clueless about firearms.

A trained and armed female has the ability to defend herself with lethal force if deemed necessary.
Being trained and armed boosts self confidence and removes victim mentality mannerisms that criminals have stated they look for.

Ask some single women that live alone if owning and being trained in firearms makes them feel safer?
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My daughter's were taught, my oldest is ex navy constantly carried in Norfolk. For good reason.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Ban the government from possessing guns.
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Then maybe they can come up with a plausible explanation as to why non military federal agencies are stocking up on guns, ammo, explosives, body armor and other tactical equipment.

And yet they want everyone to trust them and hand over their weaponso_O
 
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