Gun control debate (merged)

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CNCVol88 said:
Big scary rifle that libs don't understand
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It'll get overturned by the SCOTUS since Heller covers specifically what she did. (and it was wrong on many levels)

But it's the principle that a judge thinks they can get away with it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It'll get overturned by the SCOTUS since Heller covers specifically what she did. (and it was wrong on many levels)

But it's the principle that a judge thinks they can get away with it.
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Shh we don't mention heller around here. LG still hasn't looked at it I'm pretty sure
 
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#805
I wish Bloomberg would just go away...

Pro-gun rights Milwaukee sheriff: 'Bloomberg made a huge miscalculation' | Fox News

Bloomberg's Independence USA super PAC spent $150,000 to air a series of television ads targeting Clarke's conservative pro-gun policies. But according to Clarke, Bloomberg's efforts to influence the election backfired.

"He came in and thought he could spread a few hundred thousand dollars around to take a prized catch away that he could march around the country with in his failed crusade -- his anti-gun crusade -- and he could hold me up as an example of what might happen to others if they don't get on board with him," Clarke said. "But that didn't work here. The public was actually turned off by it."
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#806
#806
Another school year is upon us, and the stupid teachers without any common sense are already out in force!!

High school student arrested for killing dinosaur with an imaginary gun in class assignment

High school student says he was arrested for killing dinosaur in class assignment

SUMMERVILLE, SC (WCSC) -

A 16-year-old Summerville High School student says he was arrested Tuesday morning and suspended after writing about killing a dinosaur using a gun.

Alex Stone said he and his classmates were told in class to write a few sentences about themselves, and a "status" as if it was a Facebook page.

Stone said in his "status" he wrote a fictional story that involved the words "gun" and "take care of business."

"I killed my neighbor's pet dinosaur, and, then, in the next status I said I bought the gun to take care of the business," Stone said.

Stone says his statements were taken completely out of context.

"I could understand if they made him re-write it because he did have "gun" in it. But a pet dinosaur?" said Alex's mother Karen Gray."I mean first of all, we don't have dinosaurs anymore. Second of all, he's not even old enough to buy a gun."

Investigators say the teacher contacted school officials after seeing the message containing the words "gun" and "take care of business," and police were then notified on Tuesday.

Summerville police officials say Stone's bookbag and locker were searched on Tuesday, and a gun was not found.

According to Gray, Stone was suspended for the rest of the week. Gray says she is furious that the school did not contact her before her son was arrested.

She says her son followed directions and completed an assignment.

"If the school would have called me and told me about the paper and asked me to come down and discussed everything and, at least, get his point-of-view on the way he meant it. I never heard from the school, never. They never called me," said Gray.

Stone and his mother say they understand the sensitive nature of what he wrote, but they say it was a rash reaction to an innocent situation.

"I regret it because they put it on my record, but I don't see the harm in it," Stone said."I think there might have been a better way of putting it, but I think me writing like that, it shouldn't matter unless I put it out towards a person."

According to police, when Stone was asked by school officials about the comment written on the assignment, he said it was a joke.

Summerville police officials say Stone was disruptive and was told that he was being detained for disturbing schools.

Stone was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct. District officials say the student has been suspended.
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#807
#807
One of the lesser known Pro-2A groups making some waves:

Gun-rights group persuading dozens of towns to repeal firearms regs in legal blitz | Fox News

The organization, the Second Amendment Foundation, is working to invalidate city ordinances by arguing that they're in conflict with looser state regulations. So far, it seems to be working. The group says it's been able to overturn more than 100 gun-related ordinances this way, most recently in Utah.

“We’re going state by state, going through every single ordinance of every city and county in every state and finding where the cities and counties have ordinances enacted that are in conflict with state law,” Alan Gottlieb, founder and executive vice president of the SAF, told FoxNews.com.
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Orange_Crush said:
Wonder what precedent this may create for a federal ban?
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It won't. Basically the entire premise of her decision rests on the "common use for lawful purposes" idea. The judge is basically saying AR15s, AKs and other magazine fed auto-loading rifles are not "in common use for lawful purposes." And that the estimated 8+ million ARs, AKs, etc are an extremely small portion of the overall firearms numbers (which cannot be accurately determined anyway) that they fail the "common lawful use" principle set forth in Heller. The exact text from Heller:

We must also ask whether the prohibited weapons are typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes; if not, then they are not the sorts of ‘Arms’ protected by the Second Amendment.
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So when this case goes to appeal, all the plaintiffs have to do is prove that such weapons are in fact in common use for lawful purposes. And that the mass shootings being conducted are an extremely minor fraction of a percent of the overall numbers of so called "assault weapons" out there.

And the numbers that are used are completely screwed. They cite the Aurora shooting as the perp had fired 100 rounds without stopping. However, it's widely known that his weapon malfunctioned and he was unable to fire everything out of that magazine. Even the numbers of LEOs killed in the line of duty directly contradicts other numbers she bases the case on. Supposedly in 1994, the number of LEOs killed by weapons with large capacity magazines (that's anything over 10 rounds) was sitting around 40%. And earlier testimony said the average shooting was only 2.1 rounds. (not sure where that 0.1 comes into play, but anyway) So the number of rounds used in a shooting being 2.1 means it doesn't matter if large capacity mags are being used or not. Fuzzy logic and rash stupidity.

Long story short? She's a gun hater that used half facts and her own personal opinions to render a decision. And I have this feeling it will be overturned.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It won't. Basically the entire premise of her decision rests on the "common use for lawful purposes" idea. The judge is basically saying AR15s, AKs and other magazine fed auto-loading rifles are not "in common use for lawful purposes." And that the estimated 8+ million ARs, AKs, etc are an extremely small portion of the overall firearms numbers (which cannot be accurately determined anyway) that they fail the "common lawful use" principle set forth in Heller. The exact text from Heller:



So when this case goes to appeal, all the plaintiffs have to do is prove that such weapons are in fact in common use for lawful purposes. And that the mass shootings being conducted are an extremely minor fraction of a percent of the overall numbers of so called "assault weapons" out there.

And the numbers that are used are completely screwed. They cite the Aurora shooting as the perp had fired 100 rounds without stopping. However, it's widely known that his weapon malfunctioned and he was unable to fire everything out of that magazine. Even the numbers of LEOs killed in the line of duty directly contradicts other numbers she bases the case on. Supposedly in 1994, the number of LEOs killed by weapons with large capacity magazines (that's anything over 10 rounds) was sitting around 40%. And earlier testimony said the average shooting was only 2.1 rounds. (not sure where that 0.1 comes into play, but anyway) So the number of rounds used in a shooting being 2.1 means it doesn't matter if large capacity mags are being used or not. Fuzzy logic and rash stupidity.

Long story short? She's a gun hater that used half facts and her own personal opinions to render a decision. And I have this feeling it will be overturned.
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Thanks. Sounds like she needs to be relieved of her position.
 
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#820
The point in which your news agency goes from being a farce to being absurdly retard has been reached...

How the NRA is making the Ebola crisis worse | MSNBC

So thanks to NRA power and Senate cowardice, we are left with no surgeon general during a time when, we not only have Ebola arriving on our shores, but are also dealing with the mysterious Enterovirus, which is infecting and contributing to the deaths of children in the U.S.
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Now the NRA has made the Ebola virus that much worse?
 
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CNCVol88 said:
Imagine that. Law abiding citizens get guns and crime goes down. The cost to carry is still way too high though. Meanwhile you don't have to even show ID to vote.
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That's odd. Where I go to vote each time I have to show my id to the same guy that has known me for as long as 45 years. You'd think I would have a pass by now. Don't know what's it like in other states.
 
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#822
Poor kid!

Crayon "Gun" Subjects 5-year-old to Suicide/Homicide Screening!


Crayon "Gun" Subjects 5-year-old to Suicide/Homicide Screening and Non-Violence "Contract"

E.R. Dickson Elementary School in Mobile, Ala., has introduced two new vocabulary words into their kindergarten curriculum: homicide and suicide. Local media outlets report that a 5-year-old was forced to fill out a bizarre safety agreement and risk assessment questionnaire containing those words after making an innocent gesture with a crayon.

The kindergartner's mother told Mobile NBC affiliate WPMI that her daughter initially came to the attention of school officials after she drew an object resembling a firearm and "pointed a crayon at another student and said, 'pew pew.'" After the crayon incident, the child was made to fill out a "suicide/homicide assessment scoresheet" that included questions about how often she felt depressed, "past thoughts of hurting self" and "frequency of suicidal ideas." The 5-year-old was then made to sign a "contract" vowing not to kill others or commit suicide, all without a parent present. School officials also recommended that the kindergartner see a psychiatrist.

Understandably upset, the mother told WPMI, "My child interrupted us and said, 'What is suicide mommy? Daddy what is suicide?'... As a parent that's not right. I'm the one should be able to talk to my child and not have someone else mention words like this in front of her at all."

According to AL.com, the questionnaire and contract are part of a "one size fits all" policy for dealing with threats of violence. The story goes on to note that following the incident receiving national media exposure, Mobile County Superintendent Martha Peek has promised to "rework" current policy. Good idea. While any response other than perhaps verbal correction and removal of the crayons was unnecessary in the present case, the district's policy reflects the same sort of naïve, uninformed, and magical thinking that underlies most forms of gun control. Putting aside the farcical notion that signing a "contract" could actually deter homicidal or suicidal behavior in the first place, five-year-olds are legally ineligible to form binding contracts.

Unfortunately, the type of zero-tolerance abuse at E.R. Dickson is all-too familiar, with other students across the country facing punishment for squirt guns, pointing fingers in the shape of a gun, and even a creatively eaten breakfast pastry. Incidents like these have led NRA to support legislation in states like Florida and Oklahoma to help stop zero-tolerance abuse. Legislation enacted in Florida makes clear that "imulating a firearm or weapon while playing or wearing clothing or accessories that depict a firearm or weapon or express an opinion regarding a right guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution is not grounds for disciplinary action or referral to the criminal justice or juvenile justice system."

The Mobile County Public Schools' outrageous behavior in this instance should prompt Alabama lawmakers to consider this important zero-tolerance reform. In the meantime, the Mobile County Public School officials responsible for needlessly subjecting a 5-year-old to decidedly mature subject matter might want to consider their own advice regarding psychiatric help.
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tumscalcium said:
Stupidity.
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Now the schools are suspending kids for being around guns at home! :the_finger:

Mass. students holding replica guns suspended after Facebook post

Mass. students holding replica guns suspended after Facebook post

Bristol-Plymouth High suspends students after gun picture posted

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MIDDLEBOROUGH, Mass. —Two high school students in Middleborough, Massachusetts, have been suspended from Bristol-Plymouth Regional Technical School in Taunton after posting a picture on Facebook.

It shows the two holding Airsoft guns and dressed for the school’s homecoming dance which was held last Friday.

Airsoft guns are replicas, which can fire plastic pellets, and are intended to be non-lethal.

Tito Velez, 16, said it was his idea, "We wanted something unique and different instead of using flowers like everyone else. We were like, 'let’s use something we like to do on the weekend as a prop.'"

School officials said students were talking about the photo in school on Monday and it caused a “disruption,” which according to the superintendent is why they were suspended.

"It has nothing to do with free speech. Their behavior caused a significant disruption in the school," said Superintendent Richard Gross. "We had our homecoming event on Friday and following that the students were looking at Facebook and, of course, it caused a tumult in the building.”

The students said they were pulled out of line on Monday when headed to a track meet. They are both long-distance runners.

Jamie Peirera, the female in the photo said, “When I asked if I could call my mom they said, 'No,' and they were doing it for me and then they had a police officer come talk with me."

Her father said it’s not right for the teens to be questioned without a parent.

“I think it’s ridiculous, basically it’s a toy gun," said Jailes Pereira.

"It wasn’t done on school property, it was done in the house. It’s nothing to do with school or scaring or whatever it is. This is like making a molehill out of an anthill. I don’t think it’s right at all. Getting a day off or a warning is more than sufficient than going to this extent. That’s my bottom line," he said.

Gross said it’s not about free speech or the right to have arms. He calls it a disruption, but then he mentioned school shootings, “They are juniors, they should have known better. You have Newtown, you have what just recently happened. This happened right on the heels of what happened in the Pacific Northwest."

The students are suspended for up to 10 days. The superintendent said there will be a hearing about when or if they will be allowed to return.

"Here we are, one photo is getting us almost expelled," said Velez.

"It wasn’t even like at school or on school grounds it was on private time at a private house," said Jamie Peirera.
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