Gun control debate (merged)

[MG1968]

Take away "assault rifles" and you create a precedent for taking away guns. Where does it stop after that?

The only way to solve the problem is to identify the people that do these things before they do them. No amount of "banning" serves as a solution.

But that would undo decades of the left’s efforts to normalize and medicate mental illness.

 

[Vol8188]

That's the rest of the problem. If high capacity rifles are banned, the mass murders will continue. Police should be more willing to go forward against handguns, but the murders won't stop.

Why would we want to ban assault rifles and handguns given there's no correlation between gun ownership and homicide?

 

[LouderVol]

Yep. There has to be a way.

I asked this question and got no response. What if a state had a “gun buyer” license? With it, one could buy as many guns as they like. It’s requirements could be directed at weeding out those who have no business buying a gun. Even have a license capability to purchase an MP5 should one want to. Have different classes of licensing.

Of course, this is fraught with problems as well. Not going to stop those who took guns from their parents or idiot parents who gave their sociopathic son one to start with. Gun dealers are certainly not going to like it.

While typing this, had another thought: places like Chicago are going about this wrong. Require concealed weapons permits, make them more reasonable and rational to get, then bust the absolute hell out of anyone with a gun and no permit.

That gun buying license doesnt help his situation. Or 90% of these shooters incidents. You already have to pass a back ground check.

All you are doing is making it more difficult for the normal, law abiding, citizen.

 

[Vol Main]

Why would we want to ban assault rifles and handguns given there's no correlation between gun ownership and homicide?

You say that expecting me to accept it as accurate, when I do not think that it is.

"The indisputable fact is that where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths."
States with the most gun violence share one trait - CNNPolitics

 

[Caculator]

Commies pretend not to know things

 

[evillawyer]

Looks like there was a 2nd amendment party in Chattanooga

Chattanooga shooting: 6 people shot in downtown on Saturday night - CNN

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Kamala Harris calls for 'assault weapons ban' in wake of Uvalde, Buffalo mass shootings

 

[C-south]

Looks like there was a 2nd amendment party in Chattanooga

Chattanooga shooting: 6 people shot in downtown on Saturday night - CNN

Na that was a typical daily democratic convention.

 

[Vol Main]

Commies pretend not to know things

You think he's a red, or just a lousy fellow traveling useful idiot pinko?

 

[Vol Main]

Your missing the point. The neo-marxist need labels. It makes the fools feel better

Talk about needing labels and making fools feel better, look at your own post.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Kamala Harris calls for 'assault weapons ban' in wake of Uvalde, Buffalo mass shootings

Ohio man shoots intruder assaulting homeowner during attempted break-in, police say

 

[Vol8188]

You say that expecting me to accept it as accurate, when I do not think that it is.

"The indisputable fact is that where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths."
States with the most gun violence share one trait - CNNPolitics

You’re looking at gun deaths instead of homicides. Are you saying homicides are okay as long as they’re not done with a gun?

Maryland is 3rd in homicides yet extremely low in gun ownership. Missouri low in guns, high in homicide.

South Dakota high in guns, the lowest homicide.

I could keep going. There’s 0 correlation between gun ownership and homicide. So why are you wanting to restrict guns?

 

[Vol Main]

You’re looking at gun deaths instead of homicides. Are you saying homicides are okay as long as they’re not done with a gun?

Maryland is 3rd in homicides yet extremely low in gun ownership. Missouri low in guns, high in homicide.

South Dakota high in guns, the lowest homicide.

I could keep going. There’s 0 correlation between gun ownership and homicide. So why are you wanting to restrict guns?

Whar'd ye git yer numbers, Walmart?(maniacal laughter)

 

[MG1968]

Whar'd ye git yer numbers, Walmart?(maniacal laughter)

Maybe he paid some message board rando $10K for his expert research.

 

[Vol8188]

Whar'd ye git yer numbers, Walmart?(maniacal laughter)

The same data you’ve been ignoring for days. Maryland 3rd in homicide yet 40th in gun ownership. South Dakota 50th in homicide and yet 2nd in gun ownership.

Plenty of other examples like that. There’s 0 correlation. If there was correlation the state with the least homicides wouldn’t have the 2nd most guns

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/tools/TL300/TL354/RAND_TL354.pdf

Wyoming Murder/Homicide Rate 1979-2018

 

[Vol Main]

Interesting point, but yeah. I am saying that the rate of gun deaths goes up as the rate of gun ownership goes up. Around half of them are suicides. The reality is that teenagers these days who find themselves going to school with a severely alienated individual wonder if or when that person is going to shoot up the school. It's a tragically common concern, and it does happen. Students or former students who are known head cases walk out of gun stores with high capacity guns, and the AR models seem to be favored.

Gun Deaths by State 2022
States with the Most Gun Deaths
The five states with the highest gun death rates, in deaths per 100,000, are: Alaska (24.4), Mississippi (24.2), Wyoming (22.3), New Mexico (22.3), and Alabama (22.2). Of these states, Wyoming has the highest gun ownership rate of 64.5%, followed by Alaska with 64.5%. Mississippi's gun ownership rate is 55.8%, New Mexico's is 46.2%, and Alabama's is 55.5%. Texas had the highest number of gun deaths, with 3,683. California followed with 2,945 and Florida with 2,872.
States with the Fewest Gun Deaths
The five states with the lowest gun death rates, in deaths per 100,000, are:

1. Massachusetts (3.4)
2. New York (3.9)
3. New Jersey (4.1)
4. Hawaii (4.4)
5. Rhode Island (4.6).

These five states also have the lowest gun ownership rates in the U.S. Massachusetts and New Jersey have the lowest at 14.7% each, followed by Rhode Island with 14.8%. Hawaii's gun ownership rate is 14.9%, and New York's is 19.9%. These are the only states with gun ownership rates below 20%. Rhode Island had the lowest number of gun deaths, with 48. Hawaii followed 62 and Vermont with 67. Both Delaware and North Dakota had 93 gun deaths. These are the only five states that had fewer than 100 gun deaths in 2019.
Here are the 10 states with the highest rates of gun death:

1. Alaska (23 per 100,000 people)
2. Wyoming?
3. Alabama (21.4 per 100,000 people)
4. Louisiana (21.2 per 100,000 people)
5. Mississippi (19.8 per 100,000 people)
6. Oklahoma (19.6 per 100,000 people)
7. Montana (19 per 100,000 people)
8. Missouri (18.8 per 100,000 people)
9. New Mexico (18.2 per 100,000 people)
10. Arkansas (17.7 per 100,000 people)
11. South Carolina (17.7 per 100,000 people)

 

[Vol8188]

Interesting point, but yeah. I am saying that the rate of gun deaths goes up as the rate of gun ownership goes up. Around half of them are suicides. The reality is that teenagers these days who find themselves going to school with a severely alienated individual wonder if or when that person is going to shoot up the school. It's a tragically common concern, and it does happen. Students or former students who are known head cases walk out of gun stores with high capacity guns, and the AR models seem to be favored.

So we agree gun ownership is not correlated with homicides?

 

[Vol Main]

So we agree gun ownership is not correlated with homicides?

No. Look-it, for some reason you want to divert attention away from the reality that gun deaths go up as the rate of gun ownership goes up. Maybe there is value in what you're doing. Perhaps it adds valuable perspective, or maybe it doesn't. But it does not change the fact that increasing numbers of guns increases the numbers of gun deaths.

 

[Vol8188]

No. Look-it, for some reason you want to divert attention away from the reality that gun deaths go up as the rate of gun ownership goes up. Maybe there is value in what you're doing. Perhaps it adds perspective. But it does not change the fact that increasing numbers of guns increases the numbers of gun deaths.

But not homicides. Aren’t homicides the reason this thread even exists?

It seems you’re the one trying to divert. Why do you refuse to admit that gun ownership and suicide are not correlated?

Lol surely you’re not trying to ban ARs because of suicide? That’s obviously not a thing, right?

 

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[Vol Main]

But not homicides. Aren’t homicides the reason this thread even exists?

It seems you’re the one trying to divert. Why do you refuse to admit that gun ownership and suicide are not correlated?

Lol surely you’re not trying to ban ARs because of suicide? That’s obviously not a thing, right?

This thread is not about arsenic and old lace. It was prompted from another school shooting by an eighteen year old former student who bought two AR-15 style rifles the day after he turned eighteen and a few days later murdered 21 people in an elementary school.

 

[Vol8188]

This thread is not about arsenic and old lace. It was prompted from another school shooting by an eighteen year old former student who bought two AR-15 style rifles the day after he turned eighteen and a few days later murdered 21 people in an elementary school.

So it’s about homicide? So why do you want to talk about suicide rather than homicide?

The kids didn’t kill themselves

 

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[Vol Main]

But not homicides. Aren’t homicides the reason this thread even exists?

It seems you’re the one trying to divert. Why do you refuse to admit that gun ownership and suicide are not correlated?

Lol surely you’re not trying to ban ARs because of suicide? That’s obviously not a thing, right?

I created the original post, and I just answered that question. If you do not like my purpose for creating the post, I think it is because you do not like my answer to your question. Blowing up this discussion into a cloud of facts about tangential issues does not change the facts I've stated or the purpose I stated them.

 

[allvol123]

When can I stop taking my shoes off at the airport?

Why you can afford private planes.