Gun control debate (merged)

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Pepe_Silvia said:
Walgreens owns Rite Aide now.
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I didn’t know that . It’s interesting that they only said Walgreens instead of all their stores . Makes me wonder if they are pulling something like Walmart did with specific ammo for PR .
That would be a brilliant idea , take one store do the grandstanding with it and pull one group in , then if some customers go to the others you own you boost your sales there .
 
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0nelilreb said:
I don’t have an issue with it . If I go into Walgreens carrying and they ask me to leave I’ll go to rite aide . I am curious why they didn’t include CVS aren’t they ran by the same people ?
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Open carry appeals only to the show-offs and the wannabe cowboys. Life is not a 1960s Western. Get over yourselves.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Open carry appeals only to the show-offs and the wannabe cowboys. Life is not a 1960s Western. Get over yourselves.
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That's your opinion.

Other people feel differently.

Get over yourself......who the f*** are you?

Glad to see typical lib smart ass comments that contribute nothing to the debate.

For the record, I own one shotgun.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Open carry appeals only to the show-offs and the wannabe cowboys. Life is not a 1960s Western. Get over yourselves.
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I don’t open carry , but the great thing about an open carry state is the ones who want to can . I got over myself years ago . That comes with age for most . I don’t ask people why they open carry ( it’s non of my business ) so I can’t say who it only appeals to . Do you ask them or are you just one of those eye-rollers that mutter under your breath at others ?
 
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0nelilreb said:
I don’t open carry , but the great thing about an open carry state is the ones who want to can . I got over myself years ago . That comes with age for most . I don’t ask people why they open carry ( it’s non of my business ) so I can’t say who it only appeals to . Do you ask them or are you just one of those eye-rollers that mutter under your breath at others ?
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I have never encountered a person open-carrying. My understanding in Florida is that the right to do so is extremely limited to particular situations.

If it were legal, and I did see someone doing so, my assumption is that they are either 1) a person with an ego problem who is not to be trusted; or 2) a backwards moron who is itching for a reason to use the gun to show what a tough guy he is. Likely some combination thereof.

I would roll my eyes at them, yes, and avoid any interaction with them. If at a restaurant or something similar, I would ask they they be removed, or else I would leave.

You may view that as elitist or whatever. And that's okay, I get that and do not disagree I would consider such a person far beneath me. But its also in that sense a question of safety. Given that such a person seems far more likely to me to cause problems and be dangerous, I'll rely on wanting to stay away from their foolishness as ample reason to avoid them.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I have never encountered a person open-carrying. My understanding in Florida is that the right to do so is extremely limited to particular situations.

If it were legal, and I did see someone doing so, my assumption is that they are either 1) a person with an ego problem who is not to be trusted; or 2) a backwards moron who is itching for a reason to use the gun to show what a tough guy he is. Likely some combination thereof.

I would roll my eyes at them, yes, and avoid any interaction with them. If at a restaurant or something similar, I would ask they they be removed, or else I would leave.

You may view that as elitist or whatever. And that's okay, I get that and do not disagree I would consider such a person far beneath me. But its also in that sense a question of safety. Given that such a person seems far more likely to me to cause problems and be dangerous, I'll rely on wanting to stay away from their foolishness as ample reason to avoid them.
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At least you are honest . I prefer that in a person that way i know where you stand . The only problem I have with your assumptions are that they are out of fear and based on your perception of that person being backwards or untrustworthy . example ... you come in sit down at a restaurant and notice that you are sitting next to a table with a guy having a holstered firearm . You then assume the worst and ask the waiter to have the manager ask the man to leave only to find out he’s an off duty cop /detective . I do understand that doesn’t mean anything as far as being trustworthy they are like anybody and have good days and bad but it does go to your assumption that he far beneath you as I would assume he has had far more training than you have .
 
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0nelilreb said:
At least you are honest . I prefer that in a person that way i know where you stand . The only problem I have with your assumptions are that they are out of fear and based on your perception of that person being backwards or untrustworthy . example ... you come in sit down at a restaurant and notice that you are sitting next to a table with a guy having a holstered firearm . You then assume the worst and ask the waiter to have the manager ask the man to leave only to find out he’s an off duty cop /detective . I do understand that doesn’t mean anything as far as being trustworthy they are like anybody and have good days and bad but it does go to your assumption that he far beneath you as I would assume he has had far more training than you have .
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I am sure he does. God, I hope so!

(BTW, I cannot think of any law enforcement agency that would allow its members to open carry without uniform, badge, or other obvious insignia of their law enforcement status.)


But on to the bigger picture. What kind of person open carries for a reason other than to make some sort of public statement?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I have never encountered a person open-carrying. My understanding in Florida is that the right to do so is extremely limited to particular situations.

If it were legal, and I did see someone doing so, my assumption is that they are either 1) a person with an ego problem who is not to be trusted; or 2) a backwards moron who is itching for a reason to use the gun to show what a tough guy he is. Likely some combination thereof.

I would roll my eyes at them, yes, and avoid any interaction with them. If at a restaurant or something similar, I would ask they they be removed, or else I would leave.

You may view that as elitist or whatever. And that's okay, I get that and do not disagree I would consider such a person far beneath me. But its also in that sense a question of safety. Given that such a person seems far more likely to me to cause problems and be dangerous, I'll rely on wanting to stay away from their foolishness as ample reason to avoid them.
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I would suggest that you just pick up your purse and leave the same way you came in, not saying anything to anybody thereby brightening up everyone else's day.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I have never encountered a person open-carrying. My understanding in Florida is that the right to do so is extremely limited to particular situations.

If it were legal, and I did see someone doing so, my assumption is that they are either 1) a person with an ego problem who is not to be trusted; or 2) a backwards moron who is itching for a reason to use the gun to show what a tough guy he is. Likely some combination thereof.

I would roll my eyes at them, yes, and avoid any interaction with them. If at a restaurant or something similar, I would ask they they be removed, or else I would leave.

You may view that as elitist or whatever. And that's okay, I get that and do not disagree I would consider such a person far beneath me. But its also in that sense a question of safety. Given that such a person seems far more likely to me to cause problems and be dangerous, I'll rely on wanting to stay away from their foolishness as ample reason to avoid them.
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If they had a rifle slung I'd be more sympathetic to your point. I'm still for the right to do it mind you but, even as a staunch 2A guy, sorting through the avacados with a rifle/shotgun over your shoulder just looks kinda silly and for those at the sheeple end of the fortitude spectrum makes them a bit jittery and, well...I just don't think there's much upside.

Now as for holstered sidearms it really is a different animal. Take my recent sighting of a middle aged gentleman packing some sort of revolver on his hip. Now, for your edification, consider there are 2 primary ways to carry a sidearm, (I say primary because there are other ways, like shoulder holsters, but let's stick with the "primary" examples) inside the waistband and outside the waistband. (IWB vs OWB). OWB is much more convenient and comfortable. One literally only need situate the holster on the belt, insert sidearm and go. As far as simply carrying is concerned there's pretty much never a reason not to carry OWB. This is where you are doing poorly in assessing the mindset of anyone open carrying. It's the path of least resistance for comfortably carrying a sidearm. It's very much 100% literally you having a problem with someone not going out of their way ease your insecurities.

So now for IWB. As opposed to OWB the only reason to IWB is to address issues that have nothing to do with actually carrying...namely intentional concealment. One has to, basically by definition, dress around any type of concealed carry. It's pretty much in every facet giving up one thing (comfort) for another. (concealment) Why conceal in the first place? There are two primary reasons here as well; to prevent the poor hoplophobes of the world from shizzing kittens at the sight of a weapon and the idea that, tactically speaking, there's an advantage in someone with ill intent not knowing you're one of the biggest threats to fight back. Personally I think the latter is more than sufficient that in general carry conditions I recommend concealed.
 
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0nelilreb said:
I don’t open carry , but the great thing about an open carry state is the ones who want to can . I got over myself years ago . That comes with age for most . I don’t ask people why they open carry ( it’s non of my business ) so I can’t say who it only appeals to . Do you ask them or are you just one of those eye-rollers that mutter under your breath at others ?
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I immediately think something is wrong with them.
It reminds me of the time years ago when I was at a McDonald's playground with my daughters and there was this boy who looked to be about 9 or 10 running around the playground with a sheriff's badge and gun and holster. I was thinking, that would be cute if he was 3 or 4, but at his age it just looks like something is wrong with him.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am sure he does. God, I hope so!

(BTW, I cannot think of any law enforcement agency that would allow its members to open carry without uniform, badge, or other obvious insignia of their law enforcement status.)


But on to the bigger picture. What kind of person open carries for a reason other than to make some sort of public statement?
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To the first part I would imagine that depends on your state , here in Virginia it’s an open carry state so what the detective does in his off time would be up to him , he would be no different than anyone else . The second I think would also be what you are use to , some people see a firearm and immediately think negative as you pointed out . I have been around them all my life being around city, county and state cops with family and very close friends in all three and the fact that I grew up around guns , hunting , target shooting , collecting makes me think the other way . In my mind if I see a holstered firearm I assume the person wearing it is a firearm safety conscious person or he wouldn’t have it holstered . I will say that if I see one tucked into a waistline or hanging out of a jacket pocket I will assume negative things about that person like you do . I’ve seen those and they make me nervous not gonna lie .
 
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luthervol said:
I immediately think something is wrong with them.
It reminds me of the time years ago when I was at a McDonald's playground with my daughters and there was this boy who looked to be about 9 or 10 running around the playground with a sheriff's badge and gun and holster. I was thinking, that would be cute if he was 3 or 4, but at his age it just looks like something is wrong with him.
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I explained why I feel the way I do in my post to LG but a question for you . Did you grow up with guns ( hunting and shooting ) in your family and just choose not to have them or did you not grow up with them . I ask because my ex in laws in the mid west had guns but wouldn’t keep them in the house they keep them in a corner in the meat house where they processed their meat . They ( father in law and brother in laws ) would hunt but kept them away from the house . So I’ve talked to all kinds of people with different views on guns .
 
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luthervol said:
I immediately think something is wrong with them.
It reminds me of the time years ago when I was at a McDonald's playground with my daughters and there was this boy who looked to be about 9 or 10 running around the playground with a sheriff's badge and gun and holster. I was thinking, that would be cute if he was 3 or 4, but at his age it just looks like something is wrong with him.
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so a 9 or 10 year old that wants to pretend to be an old west sheriff is a retard in your opinion?
 
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0nelilreb said:
I explained why I feel the way I do in my post to LG but a question for you . Did you grow up with guns ( hunting and shooting ) in your family and just choose not to have them or did you not grow up with them . I ask because my ex in laws in the mid west had guns but wouldn’t keep them in the house they keep them in a corner in the meat house where they processed their meat . They ( father in law and brother in laws ) would hunt but kept them away from the house . So I’ve talked to all kinds of people with different views on guns .
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There was never a gun in my house growing up nor in my wife's house. Never really knew anyone with a gun(s). Never had any friends who were into hunting. Not a big thing in east Nashville.
I did take trap and skeet shooting in college..........tops in my class. I'm an excellent aim. I'm the ax throwing champ among the group.
My wife is from a big military family.
 
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MG1968 said:
so a 9 or 10 year old that wants to pretend to be an old west sheriff is a retard in your opinion?
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Your word, not mine.
It's kind of like finding peek-a-boo hysterical. Okay for a 8 month old.....a warning sign in a four year old.
 
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