Gun control debate (merged)

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#7,976
hndog609 said:
Took a .500 to the range. After one cylinder I turned around and everyone in the place was behind my stall.
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supposedly the indoor range I am at allows .500, haven't heard anyone using one yet. range guys are telling me its not a fun experience, I believe them.
 
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LouderVol said:
supposedly the indoor range I am at allows .500, haven't heard anyone using one yet. range guys are telling me its not a fun experience, I believe them.
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It's quite the experience indoors with full loads*. After touching off a few and looking around there's usually a few (or more than a few occasionally) that ask if they can give it a whirl. It's a pretty "Wow!" experience for most so it's actually rather fun to let them shoot. Sometimes it's the opposite though and offering somebody a shot has them react like I was offering to let them hold my pet black mamba.

*I say full loads because as a reloader one doesn't have to always be launching 400gr at 1600+fps. A 350gr at a leisurely (for a .500 anyway) 1500fps is still heap big medicine but noticeably more manageable. Still loud as hell though.
 
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hog88 said:
I know a guy that was busted for being an "unlicensed dealer" he was buying guns at yard/estate sales and had a shady pawn shop outside of KC he purchased from, sold 200-300 guns a year doing that. So the law works and no need to change it.
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Also had one of those cases here and the guy went to jail. THE LAW DOESN'T WORK lol.
 
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37L1 said:
luther do you own, or have you ever owned a firearm?
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I do not nor have I ever. I was tops in my trap and skeet shooting class in college however. Aim, is one of my super powers.....that and peripheral vision.
 
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#7,980
hog88 said:
I know a guy that was busted for being an "unlicensed dealer" he was buying guns at yard/estate sales and had a shady pawn shop outside of KC he purchased from, sold 200-300 guns a year doing that. So the law works and no need to change it.
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That is one example of when the law eventually worked. How long was he able to purchase 200-300 guns a year?
For every one of him being caught, there are 1000 laughing at him that are not being caught.
You just admitted he could buy 200-300 guns a year with criminal intent. If he would have just driven to Chicago and sold them out of his trunk, he would have never been caught.
The law is a joke and everyone knows it.
 
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luthervol said:
That is one example of when the law eventually worked. How long was he able to purchase 200-300 guns a year?
For every one of him being caught, there are 1000 laughing at him that are not being caught.
You just admitted he could buy 200-300 guns a year with criminal intent. If he would have just driven to Chicago and sold them out of his trunk, he would have never been caught.
The law is a joke and everyone knows it.
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That's not the only joke in this thread.
 
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hndog609 said:
It's quite the experience indoors with full loads*. After touching off a few and looking around there's usually a few (or more than a few occasionally) that ask if they can give it a whirl. It's a pretty "Wow!" experience for most so it's actually rather fun to let them shoot. Sometimes it's the opposite though and offering somebody a shot has them react like I was offering to let them hold my pet black mamba.

*I say full loads because as a reloader one doesn't have to always be launching 400gr at 1600+fps. A 350gr at a leisurely (for a .500 anyway) 1500fps is still heap big medicine but noticeably more manageable. Still loud as hell though.
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It's a fire breather. Shoot one at night.
 
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37L1 said:
Too bad you can't see what's plainly in front of you.
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I'm good. It's just that I don't suffer from tunnel vision. I have a keen awareness of how the things around me interact with the things directly in front of me. Superhuman like.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Also had one of those cases here and the guy went to jail. THE LAW DOESN'T WORK lol.
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My associate got probation and a small fine. He's a 70 something retired Master Chief with a Navy Cross so he might have gotten a little extra leniency.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm good. It's just that I don't suffer from tunnel vision. I have a keen awareness of how the things around me interact with the things directly in front of me. Superhuman like.
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luther out for a walk:

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luthervol said:
That is one example of when the law eventually worked. How long was he able to purchase 200-300 guns a year?
For every one of him being caught, there are 1000 laughing at him that are not being caught.
You just admitted he could buy 200-300 guns a year with criminal intent. If he would have just driven to Chicago and sold them out of his trunk, he would have never been caught.
The law is a joke and everyone knows it.
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Seems to work just fine. The same example you just used is the case with almost every law on the books so what do you propose?
 
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hndog609 said:
It's quite the experience indoors with full loads*. After touching off a few and looking around there's usually a few (or more than a few occasionally) that ask if they can give it a whirl. It's a pretty "Wow!" experience for most so it's actually rather fun to let them shoot. Sometimes it's the opposite though and offering somebody a shot has them react like I was offering to let them hold my pet black mamba.

*I say full loads because as a reloader one doesn't have to always be launching 400gr at 1600+fps. A 350gr at a leisurely (for a .500 anyway) 1500fps is still heap big medicine but noticeably more manageable. Still loud as hell though.
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I wouldn't want to do it with some hand cannon, DE, type. A rifle I could get behind.

I always thought I would be fine giving people a chance to shoot my gun. but I have seen too many newbies do stupid stuff at ranges to fully trust them. Seen a couple women shoot a couple shots on a pistol, have fun, and then pull it behind the line and wave it at her BF/husband with her finger on the trigger smiling, while the rest of us all try to stay out of the way. So no way I would give an inexperienced person a full mag, maybe just the one in the chamber.
 
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LouderVol said:
I wouldn't want to do it with some hand cannon, DE, type. A rifle I could get behind.

I always thought I would be fine giving people a chance to shoot my gun. but I have seen too many newbies do stupid stuff at ranges to fully trust them. Seen a couple women shoot a couple shots on a pistol, have fun, and then pull it behind the line and wave it at her BF/husband with her finger on the trigger smiling, while the rest of us all try to stay out of the way. So no way I would give an inexperienced person a full mag, maybe just the one in the chamber.
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Actually I don't even take the full power stuff to the indoor range so the really serious stuff only gets shot by me and people I can vouch for. On top of that it's only one at a time. (even reloading a .500 isn't that cheap so I'm not giving away cylinder full)
 
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hog88 said:
Seems to work just fine. The same example you just used is the case with almost every law on the books so what do you propose?
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I don't know. Background check on all sells. Maximum allowable purchases in a given time frame.
 
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LouderVol said:
how would either be enforceable?
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They're not completely enforceable. What law is?
This guy Hogg knew bought 200-300 a year at yard/estate sales. If the sellers knew that they could not sell the guns without a background check, many of the sellers would have complied (but obviously not all) This friend of Hogg's would have shown up as someone attempting to buy more than the allowable limit. OR he would have refused to buy from a law abiding seller and his efforts to purchase and resale guns would have become much more difficult. A person should not be able to legally buy hundreds of guns per year and then turn around and sell them illegally.
 
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luthervol said:
They're not completely enforceable. What law is?
This guy Hogg knew bought 200-300 a year at yard/estate sales. If the sellers knew that they could not sell the guns without a background check, many of the sellers would have complied (but obviously not all) This friend of Hogg's would have shown up as someone attempting to buy more than the allowable limit. OR he would have refused to buy from a law abiding seller and his efforts to purchase and resale guns would have become much more difficult. A person should not be able to legally buy hundreds of guns per year and then turn around and sell them illegally.
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hahahahahaha

yeah, that's why it is illegal.
 
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#7,998
luthervol said:
They're not completely enforceable. What law is?
This guy Hogg knew bought 200-300 a year at yard/estate sales. If the sellers knew that they could not sell the guns without a background check, many of the sellers would have complied (but obviously not all) This friend of Hogg's would have shown up as someone attempting to buy more than the allowable limit. OR he would have refused to buy from a law abiding seller and his efforts to purchase and resale guns would have become much more difficult. A person should not be able to legally buy hundreds of guns per year and then turn around and sell them illegally.
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Yeah he could have. Hell he got most of his guns from a damn pawn shop, they were breaking the law selling them to him.

More laws does not equal compliance.
 
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