Guarantano--The Future

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AboveAllNations said:
Laugh all you want, Kelly Washington turned into one of the greatest special team gunners / preseason TD celebrators in NFL history.

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When I think about "The Future" K.W. always comes to mind.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Somebody should tell Butch not to recruit players that obviously don't fit this "system", even if apparently many of us don't know what that is.

He'd save a lot of scholarships if he'd be more careful.
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Yea, I see what you are saying. As well as the others who are saying "he hasn't played a snap." That's legitimate. But from what I've seen the past 3 years though, it seems we need a more mobile QB. Whether that be the system or the poor oline play. I do think Dobbs covered a lot of the weaknesses we had on the oline. Maybe due to broken plays we haven't been able to see CBJ's full system, IDK. Just going off what I've seen.

No question QD can sling it. But a spread, zone read offense typically requires a running QB. I don't think it's a stretch to say that JG has a more powerful arm and clearly he is more mobile. Seems to be what this offense needs. I honestly am worried for QD's safety of we can't block anyone.

I do think that JG has a higher ceiling just based on his physical traits--Running, arm power, etc for this offense. But that's my opinion. But time will tell if he is an idiot with the football or something. Sure the thread title maybe a bit pre-mature. I'll admit that. My point is that he seems to fit the system more and his upside is undeniable. I think he can be great here.
 
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#55
im excited to see how the competition plays out and how each QB reacts to the coaches decision on who the Starter will be.
 
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livefaith said:
I understand. But if your question above was serious, then refer to the 2016 season. People jumping out of windows because of 9-4 and losing their dignity calling our head coach unimaginable things. Some fans on here can't have a discussion without whining about it to this very day.

The "hype train" is what creates such massive disappointments. The smart $$$ went on the 9-3 or 10-2 season. Then as the months and the hype train rolled on, it became 10-2 or 11-1. Then "what the heck", if were good enough for 11-1, then Bama and their new QB better bring their A game or get ran out of Neyland. choo choo choooooooo. Then conventional hype train wisdom made winning the East a foregone conclusion with a Bama rematch for the playoff. Then, hey, we probably split with Bama anyway, so we may make the playoff even if we don't win the SEC. choo chooooooo choo

Then 1/2 our defensive 2 deep is injured and we lay two eggs against weaker rivals ... and BAM ... just like that the snowflakes are protesting in the streets, weeping like babies, and demanding somebody / anybody be fired. That's why.

But, hey, if your like me, just expect 15-0 and when 10-3 or 9-4 comes, just try to handle it like a stable human. :thumbsup:
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That would be awesome....if it where true.

What actually happens is the supposed "hype train" is lead by people saying nonsense like 16-0, plan d all the way to tampa after a loss to usc, Big Game Butch after a MCB win.
But when people have a more realistic view such as predicitng 8-4 next season, they are called troll, stupid, fans of other teams, why are you picking them to lose games before NSD, snowflakes, jumping out of windows.

Your time line is also all out of sorts. Most of the injuries happened before the Bama game, not after as your post says. If you will remember the narratvie was " get healthy during the bye week." We were favored to win against USC and Vandy. We also rolled Nebraska pretty good despite not getting anyone back from injury. So continue fooling yourself with the whole injuries to blame for losing to bottom feeders narrative. It most certainly played a role in TAM and Bama, along with turnovers, but not bottom feeders.
 
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VolRoger said:
College football at it's average best. Who knows, maybe BJ catches lightin in a bottle next year. It is Rocky Top after all. :popcorn:
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It could happen, but predicitng it to happen based on nothing more than "it could happen" seems a bit silly.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Somebody should tell Butch not to recruit players that obviously don't fit this "system", even if apparently many of us don't know what that is.

He'd save a lot of scholarships if he'd be more careful.
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Yea, I see what you're saying. I still think that Dobbs covered up a lot of the poor oline play with his feet. QD can sling it, but unless he can run, I stand by what I said. Maybe he is a fit for this offense. I don't know. Maybe we haven't seen CBJ's full offense because of breakdowns in the oline. I am just going off what I've seen the past three years, and what I've seen other spread running teams doing. A spread, zone read O typically requires a running quarterback, and I honestly worry about QD's health next year if this oline doesn't improve big time.

I don't think it's a stretch to say JG has a stronger arm, more mobility, and a higher upside for this particular offense than Dormady does. That doesn't take anything away from Dormady's ability. Guarantano is just a next level athlete at QB from everything I have seen.

Sure, the thread title is pre-mature. I'll admit that. Those who say it's too fast to anoint someone the future without playing a snap are right. I'll rescind that. My point though was that this kid has an upside like we haven't seen in years.
 
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This is gonna turn out very disappointing.
Every time the masses say we are gonna be "GREAT" here... great there... blah, blah...
Come the season... that unit ends up sucking ass.
Almost every year. It's crazy. Our OL was supposed to be awesome. Not really. Our DL was gonna be fantastic... average. DB's were gonna tear it up! Riiight.
It would be nice if one year we actually OVER achieve.
 
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Personally, I feel Dormady deserves a shot at the staring QB position but I'd be a bit more comfortable if JG started for us. He's got all the tools to be successful in Butch's offense.
 
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jeff1vol said:
This is gonna turn out very disappointing.
Every time the masses say we are gonna be "GREAT" here... great there... blah, blah...
Come the season... that unit ends up sucking ass.
Almost every year. It's crazy. Our OL was supposed to be awesome. Not really. Our DL was gonna be fantastic... average. DB's were gonna tear it up! Riiight.
It would be nice if one year we actually OVER achieve.
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It will come. Injuries tend to do that. We had like 1 true DT at the end of the year. That is asking to have 400+ rushing yards racked up on you. Just shows we need to recruit more top notch players.

All areas decimated by injuries. But there is no excuse for the oline getting whipped by App St and our DB's not being able to turn their heads...
 
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gunner said:
Do you really think Butch will name a starter after spring practice?

I don't regardless if someone separates himself from the other in fear that the QB not named the starter will leave the program.
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They can transfer after Fall camp too. JG wins the job and we lose both Dormady and Jones IMO.
 
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VOLFan65 said:
It will come. Injuries tend to do that. We had like 1 true DT at the end of the year. That is asking to have 400+ rushing yards racked up on you. Just shows we need to recruit more top notch players.

All areas decimated by injuries. But there is no excuse for the oline getting whipped by App St and our DB's not being able to turn their heads...
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App St. 184
VT 186
Ohio 88
Florida 106
UGA 181
TAM 353 (DOB played until 4th quater)
UA 409 (KM hurt during this game)
USC 158 (ST hurt)
TT 60
UK 443
MS 420
VU 192
UN 61

Our rushing defense wasnt that good before the injuries. But glad to know that injuries to 3 DT will result in historically bad rushing defense and we can expect the talent to be developed to keep bottom tier teams from putting up historic numbers.
 
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volfannbama said:
App St. 184
VT 186
Ohio 88
Florida 106
UGA 181
TAM 353 (DOB played until 4th quater)
UA 409 (KM hurt during this game)
USC 158 (ST hurt)
TT 60
UK 443
MS 420
VU 192
UN 61

Our rushing defense wasnt that good before the injuries. But glad to know that injuries to 3 DT will result in historically bad rushing defense and we can expect the talent to be developed to keep bottom tier teams from putting up historic numbers.
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Rushing D shouldn't look this bad in year 4. I don't care how many injuries we had. Guys stepping in had been in the system a couple years at least.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
Not to take anything away from the kid but if I've learned anything from being a Vol fan 30+ years it's I will believe it when I see it.
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Bingo. Just have to look at the preseason when quite a few posters on here were declaring Kongbo would be Reggie White. Still not saying he won't be great, but slow the heck down.
 
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volfannbama said:
App St. 184
VT 186
Ohio 88
Florida 106
UGA 181
TAM 353 (DOB played until 4th quater)
UA 409 (KM hurt during this game)
USC 158 (ST hurt)
TT 60
UK 443
MS 420
VU 192
UN 61

Our rushing defense wasnt that good before the injuries. But glad to know that injuries to 3 DT will result in historically bad rushing defense and we can expect the talent to be developed to keep bottom tier teams from putting up historic numbers.
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Agree. We need to recruit/sign more studs. Bama doesn't have that issue. Still, it is what it is. Injuries at key positions can kill a season. Not every team has Bama luxury. 95% of teams that have the injuries that we sustained wouldn't be bowl eligible in a major conference.
 
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I remember when Riley Ferguson was the future as well as Nathan Peterman, Jonathon Crompton, Brent Schaeffer...the list could go on and on. We as fans get so hyped over players before we ever see them take the field and see live game action.

I have high hopes for JG but ya never know how someone is gonna react until the lights come on.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
I remember when Riley Ferguson was the future as well as Nathan Peterman, Jonathon Crompton, Brent Schaeffer...the list could go on and on. We as fans get so hyped over players before we ever see them take the field and see live game action.

I have high hopes for JG but ya never know how someone is gonna react until the lights come on.
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And we get called crazy for bringing stuff like this up.
 
#72
#72
If Guarantano's not the future, the Vols could be in the deep end of the pool without a life preserver, trying to learn how to swim:no:
 
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photovol said:
If Guarantano's not the future, the Vols could be in the deep end of the pool without a life preserver, trying to learn how to swim:no:
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Why can't it be Dormandy? or this new kid that just got on campus?? Hell maybe we get a transfer...a lot can happen. The kid may be the next Vince Young or Marcus Mariotta, we won't know till the fall
 
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