Greenland

[LSU-SIU]

Apparently, it will give the US more/permanent access, sovereign control over portions of the island "effectively making it a US territory", give Greenland status as part of the US Golden Dome, create a NATO initiative to counter Russian/Chinese influence in the area, prevent Russian/Chinese military influence in the area, and give the US access to its rare earth materials.

That's my understanding of everything we wanted, without the trillion-dollar bill and adopting a new welfare state--ideas that you guys criticized.

I want a half Pegasus, half Unicorn mix. There isn't anything wrong with spending $1T of phony money on this, the problem is there isn't a seller.

And I have no idea what Jawtator was spiking the football about.

 

[GAVol]

He and his supporters keeps saying that, don't they?

I personally do not believe that. I think he hears advice from incompetent people and if he thinks it gives him a chance to be a big shot, he follows it. It then takes time for him to get turned around and pointed in the right, or at least a better, direction.

If you or anyone else believes that its all master strategy, you are entitled to your opinion, and let's leave it at that.

Either way, I think the world will be better off when he's out of power and stability and incremental change is back to being the norm.

I don’t think it’s all master strategy by any means. He’s incredibly undisciplined. I’m just willing to give a little credit vs assuming he’s just a complete buffoon every time.

 

[MercyPercy]

Can you clarify, please? It seems each of those are an addition to the current (soon to the former) framework. So, you're saying that affecting a change to the current framework could have been accomplished with a change to the current framework?

Seems to be a circular, nonsensical statement.

There is really nothing of substance that makes a significant difference between this supposed new framework and the reality we operated on beforehand. If we wanted to start mining Greenland for minerals, did we actually think Denmark/Greenland would stop us? Or was it highly likely we'd make deals that allowed us to do that without needing to threaten their sovereignty?

What part about us being able to already set up as many bases as we wanted aren't you getting? Instead we shut them all down but one. We were not worried about Russia and China then. And if we are now (which I find dubious), we already had the ability to set the old bases back up, build more, fill them with the golden dome or a golden toilet.

You're trying to steel man Trump's every absurd move but this water is too heavy for your arms I'm afraid.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I want a half Pegasus, half Unicorn mix. There isn't anything wrong with spending $1T of phony money on this, the problem is there isn't a seller.

And I have no idea what Jawtator was spiking the football about.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Your post. You're the one acting like everyone has a problem spending money on buying this, the problem isn't buying it -- its not for sale.

This is all at step one.

 

[Orange_Crush]

There is really nothing of substance that makes a significant difference between this supposed new framework and the reality we operated on beforehand. If we wanted to start mining Greenland for minerals, did we actually think Denmark/Greenland would stop us? Or was it highly likely we'd make deals that allowed us to do that without needing to threaten their sovereignty?

What part about us being able to already set up as many bases as we wanted aren't you getting? Instead we shut them all down but one. We were not worried about Russia and China then. And if we are now (which I find dubious), we already had the ability to set the old bases back up, build more, fill them with the golden dome or a golden toilet.

You're trying to steel man Trump's every absurd move but this water is too heavy for your arms I'm afraid.

Again...It sounds like there are added provisions that we wanted--per amount, duration, control, Golden Dome, blocking Russia/China presence and access--all concerns previously stated.

If these are all additional concessions to the former arrangement, and they are all legally codified as a lasting legal agreement, I'm not sure how you can claim that nothing was added or gained. It sounds like you're claiming that belief and trust that requests would be granted in the future are just as good as signed agreements wit legal rights.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Your post. You're the one acting like everyone has a problem spending money on buying this, the problem isn't buying it -- its not for sale.

This is all at step one.

I'm the one restating that people complained about the idea. Do you know why I restated it? Because they did. I never said anything about "everyone".

And I never claimed it was for sell. I made the point that it sounds like trump got what he wanted without the need for a sale. Nothing more or less.

WTH is wrong with you? You're so eager to say something that you really don't care what it is.

 

[NashVol11]

Again...It sounds like there are added provisions that we wanted--per amount, duration, control, Golden Dome, blocking Russia/China presence and access--all concerns previously stated.

It sounds like there are "added provisions" to save face. We could already do whatever we wanted there militarily. The Golden Dome is a proposed network of weapons in space, not sure why vaguely attaching Greenland's name to it makes a difference for the United States

 

[LSU-SIU]

I'm the one restating that people complained about the idea. Do you know why I restated it? Because they did.

And I never claimed it was for sell. I made the point that it sounds like trump got what he wanted without the need for a sell. Nothing more or less.

WTH is wrong with you?

Not really, most people aren't going to have a problem with the purchase unless they have extreme TDS. Its clearly not for sale, now can he force them to sell, maybe, but I have serious doubts they'll give him anything along those lines absent extreme pressure.

I have no idea why countries would be working with the U.S. at this point on large transactions, and let's be honest -- they know it. Its pretty clear he wants them to give up sovereignty, the U.S. can already basically build what they want. And its pretty clear Denmark really isn't involved.

If he wants the U.S. out of NATO, lift the sanctions on Russia, give them their money back -- next step sanctions on the Ukraine.

 

[Orange_Crush]

It sounds like there are "added provisions" to save face. We could already do whatever we wanted there militarily. The Golden Dome is a proposed network of weapons in space, not sure why vaguely attaching Greenland's name to it makes a difference for the United States

We had a treaty guaranteeing that "we could already do whatever we wanted militarily"? Serious question. I don't know if that's true or not. If you have a link that the US had unfettered rights to do whatever we want militarily, in perpetuity? That sounds like the new agreement, if I read it right, and AI wasn't full of ****.

I'll bet if you wait a bit, details may just come out that would help both of our understanding of what Golden Dome inclusion would be pertinent. But... Maybe not. Until then, it's probably best to leave it as a non-point in the discussion.

And US access to their resources. I don't think we had that.

And the authority of the US to police Russian/Chinese presence/access/investments/purchases seemed like a pretty important part of the ask. I didn't get the impression we had that, nor NATO's promise to partner with us in policing and enforcing that. At least that how I read it. And at least, if it's even a thing.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Not really, most people aren't going to have a problem with the purchase unless they have extreme TDS. Its clearly not for sale, now can he force them to sell, maybe, but I have serious doubts they'll give him anything along those lines absent extreme pressure.

I have no idea why countries would be working with the U.S. at this point on large transactions, and let's be honest -- they know it. Its pretty clear he wants them to give up sovereignty, the U.S. can already basically build what they want. And its pretty clear Denmark really isn't involved.

If he wants the U.S. out of NATO, lift the sanctions on Russia, give them their money back -- next step sanctions on the Ukraine.

I didn't care what you thought before you jumped in to start a completely different discussion by misrepresenting what I said.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Again...It sounds like there are added provisions that we wanted--per amount, duration, control, Golden Dome, blocking Russia/China presence and access--all concerns previously stated.

If these are all additional concessions to the former arrangement, and they are all legally codified as a lasting legal agreement, I'm not sure how you can claim that nothing was added or gained. It sounds like you're claiming that belief and trust that requests would be granted in the future are just as good as signed agreements wit legal rights.

That’s what Trump claims however absent any mineral deals nothing he claims can’t be accomplished within the existing treaty framework. I’ve read the treaty. I posted a link to it if you want to search my posts. And I agree with the statement. You seem to be inclined to give Trump the benefit of the doubt and that’s your prerogative. I happen to think he’s FOS on his claims.

 

[Orange_Crush]

That’s what Trump claims however absent any mineral deals nothing he claims can’t be accomplished within the existing treaty framework. I’ve read the treaty. I posted a link to it if you want to search my posts. And I agree with the statement. You seem to be inclined to give Trump the benefit of the doubt and that’s your prerogative. I happen to think he’s FOS on his claims.

I'm not sure I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as much as reserving judgment, speaking in hypotheticals, and asking for clarity from some of the folks that are posting as if they know. I did an AI query and posted "if the claims are true". It sounds like there are claims that we get added provisions, sureties, rights and partnership. if that turns out to be true, it sounds like it'll be basically what the administration wanted and allay their concerns about Russia/China. If it turns out to be false, you'll have been correct.

We had a treaty guaranteeing that "we could already do whatever we wanted militarily"? Serious question. I don't know if that's true or not. If you have a link that the US had unfettered rights to do whatever we want militarily, in perpetuity? That sounds like the new agreement, if I read it right, and AI wasn't full of ****.

I'll bet if you wait a bit, details may just come out that would help both of our understanding of what Golden Dome inclusion would be pertinent. But... Maybe not. Until then, it's probably best to leave it as a non-point in the discussion.

And US access to their resources. I don't think we had that.

And the authority of the US to police Russian/Chinese presence/access/investments/purchases seemed like a pretty important part of the ask. I didn't get the impression we had that, nor NATO's promise to partner with us in policing and enforcing that. At least that how I read it. And at least, if it's even a thing.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I didn't care what you thought before you jumped in to start a completely different discussion by misrepresenting what I said.

I'm not, you're spiking a ball on deal that clearly doesn't exist nor has it been discussed, and Jawtator is spiking a ball on something he thinks someone caved on which clearly isn't the case from what we can tell. There is no deal, doesn't look like there were even talks. This is still at step 1 i.e. a willing seller.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I'm not, you're spiking a ball on deal that clearly doesn't exist nor has it been discussed, and Jawtator is spiking a ball on something he thinks someone caved on which clearly isn't the case from what we can tell. There is no deal, doesn't look like there were even talks. This is still at step 1 i.e. a willing seller.

There you go again. I spoke in "apparently" hypotheticals and questioned the claim that it wouldn't give anything we didn't already have.

You'd do much better to slow down, read, think, and ask questions before jumping in with both feet merely to be a smart***.

 

[NorthDallas40]

There you go again. I spoke in "apparently" hypotheticals and questioned the claim that it wouldn't give anything we didn't already have.

You'd do much better to slow down, read, think, and ask questions before jumping in with both feet merely to be a smart***.

That kid is not equipped for thinking.

 

[LSU-SIU]

There you go again. I spoke in "apparently" hypotheticals and questioned the claim that it wouldn't give anything we didn't already have.

You'd do much better to slow down, read, think, and ask questions before jumping in with both feet merely to be a smart***.

Hey man, I'm not the one blowing a orange off every day.

As to the topic at hand, Da Pootin doing some class A trolling.

 

[Delmar]

Leavitt is shameless

She’s paid to try to clean up his messes. That’s an all day, everyday job. She can’t possibly believe half the she says.

 

[NEO]

I don’t think it’s all master strategy by any means. He’s incredibly undisciplined. I’m just willing to give a little credit vs assuming he’s just a complete buffoon every time.

He is an agent of chaos and has built a career on it.

Anyone who doesn’t do business who has never dealt with one doesn’t understand how difficult it can be. His tactics are understood. The issue is he will take you so far into the weeds that you get lost on the main objective but to him it’s just a straight line.


Him taking Maduro is a prime example. No warning. Just done. This kind of acting with him scares many opponents.

 

[Delmar]

I don’t think it’s all master strategy by any means. He’s incredibly undisciplined. I’m just willing to give a little credit vs assuming he’s just a complete buffoon every time.

My only question is shouldn’t the President of the United States have just a touch of decorum and not stoop to revenge tactics and petty bullying like a schoolyard punk?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Him taking Maduro is a prime example. No warning. Just done. This kind of acting with him scares many opponents.

There were lots of warnings on Maduro, they were actually saying they were in active discussions with him leaving the country.

 

[NEO]

There were lots of warnings on Maduro, they were actually saying they were in active discussions with him leaving the country.

Just taking him over night was not on the radar.

The point I am making is he throws darts at a board and some he purposely decides to land and the people who deal with him never know which dart he will intend to actually land.

Sun Tzu tackles this strategy and anyone who wants to understand Trump should read his teachings.

He also hates war and says it repeatedly which is a major philosophical stance with Sun Tzu.

 

[General Jack]

This is NOT what is happening. What's happening is, as Aretha Franklin would say, R E S P E C T is what the world has now for Trump and the US. Something the world did not have for Biden and limp-wristed effeminate liberals who hate the US and have destructive policies.

That's hilarious.

Have you watched trump speak at Davos? And the reaction? About as far from respect as one could get.

That really was funny, thanks for the laugh.

 

[lawgator1]

That's hilarious.

Have you watched trump speak at Davos? And the reaction? About as far from respect as one could get.

That really was funny, thanks for the laugh.

As I said, I was embarrassed for him (and of course for the USA). For over an hour he just insulted the audience members over and over, and bragged about himself, often lying in painfully obvious ways.

He meandered from topic to topic, many with no connection to one another, much less even tangentially to the event. Had that been Biden the MAGA cult would have demanded he be placed in a straight jacket.

 

[Orange_Crush]

That's hilarious.

Have you watched trump speak at Davos? And the reaction? About as far from respect as one could get.

That really was funny, thanks for the laugh.