Greenland

[WoodsmanVol]

My question is why do the Europeans care now? They were completely fine with how this works before.

Afghanistan
Iraq
Iran
Syria
Libya
Venezuela
Vietnam
Panama
Nigeria
Somalia
Yemen
Uganda
Grenada
Russia
Ukraine
etc

This excludes everyone the U.S. and Europe has been putting sanctions -- too many to name at this point.

They don't care, it's all politics, prestige, and perceived economic B.S.
Now,Mr. MAGA Man, the funny thing is, I;m not opposed to Agent Orange acquiring Greenland. It's a rock coated in ice. If you melt the ice, not much land i
to show for it. For me, Mr. MAGA Man, its not what Trumpon is doing, it's how he is doing it. Same thing, far as I'm concerned with deporting illegal immigrants, base on what I was eyewitness to when I lived out west.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I don't know why you said it. If I thought I did I might well be wrong.

I missed my alprazolam dose that day.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Hey, I didn't like some aspects of this and have started being openly critical of some of the stuff he does, but could the problem be that Trump shows how the sausage is made openly? We ALL, I mean everyone, complains about shady dealings and backroom bargains made with members of Congress getting rich and we have zero insight into it.

And here comes Trump, brash Queens businessman, openly doing business and a significant portion of the public hates him for it. Would we rather all this have taken place behind the scenes? Some book comes out later about how it went down?

Would we rather have polite crooks or open to the public assholes? Just asking. Is some self-reflection in order?

On the bolded I think that’s absolutely a huge problem that we have with all of DC now. Nobody knows how to keep their damn mouth shut anymore. Especially the loud mouth occupying the office of president. Am I naive enough to think we never flexed our military or economic muscle before behind closed doors? No. But that’s the point it was behind closed doors and didn’t push anybody into a corner.

Shady back room deals describes international diplomacy perfectly. To me at least.

 

[LSU-SIU]

They don't care, it's all politics, prestige, and perceived economic B.S.
Now,Mr. MAGA Man, the funny thing is, I;m not opposed to Agent Orange acquiring Greenland. It's a rock coated in ice. If you melt the ice, not much land i
to show for it. For me, Mr. MAGA Man, its not what Trumpon is doing, it's how he is doing it. Same thing, far as I'm concerned with deporting illegal immigrants, base on what I was eyewitness to when I lived out west.

Yeah. I think I understand the logic (the "why") that is being used to control certain areas of the world, not sure I agree on the "how" at the moment. Right now he technically hasn't done anything to Greenland, Venezuela is a whole other ballgame.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Ok agree to disagree. I think he was a bit more disciplined in his first term. This time he seems to be continually going off the rails in highly unproductive fashion. Again it’s my stance that nothing in the provided data on this deal related to defense is prohibited by the existing treaty. Thus to me it’s just another resource grab. Which he used the threat of military action to elicit.

Older fuggers tend to go off the rails. I have seen this occur many times with seniors in my family. Keep yourself reined in Mr. ND40.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Older fuggers tend to go off the rails. I have seen this occur many times with seniors in my family. Keep yourself reined in Mr. ND40.

Oh no. I’m going to threaten you all with the entirety of my military might

 

[volfan4evr]

Definitely the country that basically threatened to take you if they couldn't buy you. Definitely.

Trump definitely knows how to "deal".

 

[volfan4evr]

So Greenland then.

America has it's faults, but the threat of communism is much worse.

 

[GroverCleveland]

On the bolded I think that’s absolutely a huge problem that we have with all of DC now. Nobody knows how to keep their damn mouth shut anymore. Especially the loud mouth occupying the office of president. Am I naive enough to think we never flexed our military or economic muscle before behind closed doors? No. But that’s the point it was behind closed doors and didn’t push anybody into a corner.

Shady back room deals describes international diplomacy perfectly. To me at least.

And because it was behind closed doors, we don't know if the bolded part is true or not. We don't know. I suspect, and not to be argumentative with you, it has happened in the past possibly more often than we think and probably not enough at times.

I think the majority of people don't like how the sausage is made. Let's say all this had been done behind closed doors and then an announcement was made that we've struck a deal with Denmark to exploit the resources on Greenland to everyone's benefit. We don't know about the machinations behind the scenes. I suspect those on here railing against Trump all the time would find something to rail about. Those like me that did not really care for the circus it seemed to be would be happy with the deal.

 

[Orangeburst]

And because it was behind closed doors, we don't know if the bolded part is true or not. We don't know. I suspect, and not to be argumentative with you, it has happened in the past possibly more often than we think and probably not enough at times.

I think the majority of people don't like how the sausage is made. Let's say all this had been done behind closed doors and then an announcement was made that we've struck a deal with Denmark to exploit the resources on Greenland to everyone's benefit. We don't know about the machinations behind the scenes. I suspect those on here railing against Trump all the time would find something to rail about. Those like me that did not really care for the circus it seemed to be would be happy with the deal.

No matter how idealistic things may be presented, it is always Realpolitik.

 

[NorthDallas40]

And because it was behind closed doors, we don't know if the bolded part is true or not. We don't know. I suspect, and not to be argumentative with you, it has happened in the past possibly more often than we think and probably not enough at times.

I think the majority of people don't like how the sausage is made. Let's say all this had been done behind closed doors and then an announcement was made that we've struck a deal with Denmark to exploit the resources on Greenland to everyone's benefit. We don't know about the machinations behind the scenes. I suspect those on here railing against Trump all the time would find something to rail about. Those like me that did not really care for the circus it seemed to be would be happy with the deal.

Oh we agree. I think not so thinly veiled threats were made all the time behind closed doors. My point was they weren’t back into a corner in public so they didn’t have to act to save face and could be more pragmatic in finding the final solution. Doing it in public in my opinion impacts that pragmatism flexibility.

 

[BeardedVol]

America has it's faults, but the threat of communism is much worse.

Remind me, under communism, who owns the means of production?

MAGA’s March Toward a Command Economy

The Trump approach to the economy is anything but conservative, write Yale SOM’s Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, former Procter & Gamble CEO John Pepper, former Xerox CEO Anne Mulcahy, former Medtronic CEO Bill George, and Laura Tyson, former chairman of the White House Counsel of Economic Advisers.

insights.som.yale.edu

 

[utvolpj]

Remind me, under communism, who owns the means of production?

MAGA’s March Toward a Command Economy

The Trump approach to the economy is anything but conservative, write Yale SOM’s Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, former Procter & Gamble CEO John Pepper, former Xerox CEO Anne Mulcahy, former Medtronic CEO Bill George, and Laura Tyson, former chairman of the White House Counsel of Economic Advisers.

insights.som.yale.edu

 

[hog88]

Oh no. I’m going to threaten you all with the entirety of my military might

You’re missing a digit, I ain’t skeered of a 9 fingered man

 

[tvolsfan]

I guess people are still trying to convince themselves the emperor is wearing the finest clothes in the land.

 

[jmacvols1]

America has it's faults....

.....called Democrats

 

[volfan4evr]

Remind me, under communism, who owns the means of production?

MAGA’s March Toward a Command Economy

The Trump approach to the economy is anything but conservative, write Yale SOM’s Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, former Procter & Gamble CEO John Pepper, former Xerox CEO Anne Mulcahy, former Medtronic CEO Bill George, and Laura Tyson, former chairman of the White House Counsel of Economic Advisers.

insights.som.yale.edu

I would suggest you move.

 

[BeardedVol]

I would suggest you move.

Lol, what happened to your "fear of communism"?

 

[MercyPercy]

We could already build all the bases we wanted on Greenland and stock them with missiles and troops to our heart's content. Instead we closed them all down except for one. I guess we haven't been all that worried about China and Russia until now. I am curious when Greenland remains a Denmark territory how Trump will spin this deal as if it was needed for national security.

 

[volbound1700]

Give europe 5 years to build up and organize their militaries, and they'll be fine. Russia cant even win in ukraine at the moment, so they wont be challenging for anything until they can get that figured out (with elon's robot legions).

Europe could probably beat Russia solo without the USA. Only issue would be USA weaponry, Europe is dependent on USA for equipment.

 

[Orange_Crush]

We could already build all the bases we wanted on Greenland and stock them with missiles and troops to our heart's content. Instead we closed them all down except for one. I guess we haven't been all that worried about China and Russia until now. I am curious when Greenland remains a Denmark territory how Trump will spin this deal as if it was needed for national security.

Apparently, it will give the US more/permanent access, sovereign control over portions of the island "effectively making it a US territory", give Greenland status as part of the US Golden Dome, create a NATO initiative to counter Russian/Chinese influence in the area, prevent Russian/Chinese military influence in the area, and give the US access to its rare earth materials.

That's my understanding of everything we wanted, without the trillion-dollar bill and adopting a new welfare state--ideas that you guys criticized.

 

[lawgator1]

There may be some of that going on, but isn’t this right out of the Trump negotiation playbook? Set up an extreme outcome as a bargaining chip so that he can negotiate back from it as if he’s giving something up.

He and his supporters keeps saying that, don't they?

I personally do not believe that. I think he hears advice from incompetent people and if he thinks it gives him a chance to be a big shot, he follows it. It then takes time for him to get turned around and pointed in the right, or at least a better, direction.

If you or anyone else believes that its all master strategy, you are entitled to your opinion, and let's leave it at that.

Either way, I think the world will be better off when he's out of power and stability and incremental change is back to being the norm.

 

[NEO]

Europe could probably beat Russia solo without the USA. Only issue would be USA weaponry, Europe is dependent on USA for equipment.

Europe could contain Russia but they could not beat them. The country is too vast and they don’t have the oil or man power to invade the entire country and maintain it.

It would literally require the US help and countries that depend on Russia for energy in Europe would fall apart quickly. Germany, Belarus, Turkey, Italy will be crippled.

 

[MercyPercy]

Apparently, it will give the US more/permanent access, sovereign control over portions of the island "effectively making it a US territory", give Greenland status as part of the US Golden Dome, create a NATO initiative to counter Russian/Chinese influence in the area, prevent Russian/Chinese military influence in the area, and give the US access to its rare earth materials.

That's my understanding of everything we wanted, without the trillion-dollar bill and adopting a new welfare state--ideas that you guys criticized.




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Nothing that couldn't have already been accomplished within the existing framework.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Nothing that couldn't have already been accomplished within the existing framework.

Can you clarify, please? It seems each of those are an addition to the current (soon to the former) framework. So, you're saying that affecting a change to the current framework could have been accomplished with a change to the current framework?

Seems to be a circular, nonsensical statement.