Greenland

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hog88 said:
I haven't changed my tune in the least. I've repeatedly stated my objection to taking Greenland by force either militarily or economic sanctions. My question to you was simple, who should hold the ultimate decision on a Greenland purchase. IMO the people of Greenland should have the ultimate say in their destiny, it's the same way I feel about any of our territories.
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I've seen some man-on-the-street interviews of native Greenlanders, and it sounds like they pretty much universally hate Denmark, know they can't really make it on their own, and would likely welcome the United States as a replacement. They seem split on whether it would be a good thing to become a part of the united states, or just welcome us in as some type of protector that also oversees the mining and sales of their resources while giving them a fair percentage.

Basically, what I heard was that they are smart enough to know that they are sitting ducks trying to make it alone, and they pretty much despise Denmark.
 
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hog88 said:
Again I ask, should the people of Greenland be allowed to chose?
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When and if they are no longer part of Denmark, they can do whatever they want.

Until then, they are part of Denmark, and we have no business trying involve ourselves in Danish internal politics, or attempting to take Danish territory.
 
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BeardedVol said:
When and if they are no longer part of Denmark, they can do whatever they want.

Until then, they are part of Denmark, and we have no business trying involve ourselves in Danish internal politics, or attempting to take Danish territory.
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My goodness, what about the question is so hard for you to answer? Should Greenlanders be free to chose if they want to be part of Denmark or not?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Would that approach mean we’d have to let US member states choose to secede if they want?
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Don't get him started.

He's still seething from Lincoln holding the union together, and the Supreme Court ruling the Union to be permanent in White v. Texas.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Would that approach mean we’d have to let US member states choose to secede if they want?
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It's a bit different since Greenland is essentially an autonomous territory of Denmark, so for an apples to apples. If PR, Samoa or other US territory wanted to hold a referendum to decide on leaving the US I'd support that.

Also, yes states should be able to peacefully secede. What is voluntarily joined should be allowed to separate.
 
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I've seen on the street interviews. I'd have to say it's close to 50/50 about being an American territory. Most want independence to have there own country. A huge percentage want Denmark to get the ef out.
 
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hog88 said:
It's a bit different since Greenland is essentially an autonomous territory of Denmark, so for an apples to apples. If PR, Samoa or other US territory wanted to hold a referendum to decide on leaving the US I'd support that.

Also, yes states should be able to peacefully secede. What is voluntarily joined should be allowed to separate.
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Free association in the Constitution should be pretty easy to comprehend.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I've seen on the street interviews. I'd have to say it's close to 50/50 about being an American territory. Most want independence to have there own country. A huge percentage want Denmark to get the ef out.
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Yep. There seem to be three categories:

Greenland isn't for sale; I am too proud of my hheritage. (A LOT of that resolve, which I respect greatly.)
Greenland isn't for sale. (After the theoretical figure per person gets large enough...) Now wait a minute, I didn't say NOT not...
Do we get McDonalds?


There seem to be WAY more people that want Denmark to kick rocks and never text them again. The US involvement with self-determination seems to be the largest segment that I have seen.
 
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hog88 said:
My goodness, what about the question is so hard for you to answer? Should Greenlanders be free to chose if they want to be part of Denmark or not?
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They do have a say, and it's been an ongoing process since 2009. Greenlanders can hold a referendum and declare full independence from Denmark with a majority vote, but they haven't because 60+% do not want independence if it means a lower standard of living, which it will when the Danish subsidies end.

Greenland

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So again, it's Danish territory until it's not, and we have no business there.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Yep. There seem to be three categories:

Greenland isn't for sale; I am too proud of my hheritage. (A LOT of that resolve, which I respect greatly.)
Greenland isn't for sale. (After the theoretical figure per person gets large enough...) Now wait a minute, I didn't say NOT not...
Do we get McDonalds?


There seem to be WAY more people that want Denmark to kick rocks and never text them again. The US involvement with self-determination seems to be the largest segment that I have seen.
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I saw the one one about McDonalds. The guy said "Hell yeah, give me my McDonals!" 😅
 
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Look at the big brain on Trump. Russia at their back door didn’t move the needle, BUT mention Greenland and…..

 
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BeardedVol said:
They do have a say, and it's been an ongoing process since 2009. Greenlanders can hold a referendum and declare full independence from Denmark with a majority vote, but they haven't because 60+% do not want independence if it means a lower standard of living, which it will when the Danish subsidies end.

Greenland

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So again, it's Danish territory until it's not, and we have no business there.
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Kind of meaningless if they have US subsidies as an option.

What point against giving them that option are you actually making?
 
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BeardedVol said:
They do have a say, and it's been an ongoing process since 2009. Greenlanders can hold a referendum and declare full independence from Denmark with a majority vote, but they haven't because 60+% do not want independence if it means a lower standard of living, which it will when the Danish subsidies end.

Greenland

english.stm.dk english.stm.dk

So again, it's Danish territory until it's not, and we have no business there.
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The Danish parliament still has the authority to block independence regardless of a referendum of independence.
 
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hog88 said:
It's a bit different since Greenland is essentially an autonomous territory of Denmark, so for an apples to apples. If PR, Samoa or other US territory wanted to hold a referendum to decide on leaving the US I'd support that.

Also, yes states should be able to peacefully secede. What is voluntarily joined should be allowed to separate.
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Wasn’t sure about the legal status of Greenland.

Not sure I disagree with the last part, but a hypothetical where the West Coast, New York, and New England (sans Maine, probably) were allowed to secede (Minnesota might leave too if a vote were held today) is kind of interesting.
 
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