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MHS Rebel said:
Taking away the cash, would a referendum settle it? My guess is 3/4 AND passing in the Danish parliament. Similar to Oregon people wanting to join with Idaho.

Plus a % of any money made on resources for some number of years - like The UK/Hong Kong lease.
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They can already do your last point as they are owners of the island, they actually stopped most exploration for a reason.

I would have to seriously consider the mental state of anyone trusting the U.S. as suspect at best.
 
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TVOLS said:
Right now, but what about in the future? We see how much influence they have in South America or trying to.
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acting hostile, or against Greenlands wishes now seems like it makes it more likely that they would end up looking for outside assurances. the type of assurances they would get from China or Russia.

when you are negotiating with someone its best to not piss them off before the negotiations begin.
 
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BeardedVol said:
There's zero threat of China or Russia invading any South American country either.

You're grasping at smoke trying to manufacturer justification for the US invading Greenland 'before anyone else', when it's actually Trump that has become fixated on imperialist expansion.
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I'm not advocating the use of force; I'm just pointing out Trump this time around means what he says and China and Russia will not be allowed is this hemisphere under his presidency. It's weird you think that countries are not trying to expand their influence. They are doing it in the arctics and South America why would it not happen in Greenland?
 
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TVOLS said:
I'm not advocating the use of force; I'm just pointing out Trump this time around means what he says and China and Russia will not be allowed is this hemisphere under his presidency. It's weird you think that countries are not trying to expand their influence. They are doing it in the arctics and South America why would it not happen in Greenland?
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They're already in the hemisphere. Russia is appears to me to be 3rd or 4th closest country to a U.S. State. 😂
 
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TVOLS said:
I'm not advocating the use of force; I'm just pointing out Trump this time around means what he says and China and Russia will not be allowed is this hemisphere under his presidency. It's weird you think that countries are not trying to expand their influence. They are doing it in the arctics and South America why would it not happen in Greenland?
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Neither China nor Russia are trying to take over Greenland.

You're argument boils down to "we have to take over Greenland before China or Russia do", when there's zero threat of China or Russia invading Greenland.

You might as well say we have to take over Greenland before Zimbabwe does.

As for South America, sovereign nations don't relinquish their sovereignty because they share the same hemisphere with the US.

If you won't want South American countries turning to China, then the first step would probably be "stop being an imperialist dick to South American countries."
 
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BeardedVol said:
Neither China nor Russia are trying to take over Greenland.

You're argument boils down to "we have to take over Greenland before China or Russia do", when there's zero threat of China or Russia invading Greenland.

You might as well say we have to take over Greenland before Zimbabwe does.

As for South America, sovereign nations don't relinquish their sovereignty because they share the same hemisphere with the US.

If you won't want South American countries turning to China, then the first step would probably be "stop being an imperialist dick to South American countries."
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Why shouldn't they (Russia or China) be able to buy Greenland? Literally, the U.S. could say this to every country as justification for bombing, invasions, and threats.

Russia is already basically the U.S.'s closest none border neighbor.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Neither China nor Russia are trying to take over Greenland.

You're argument boils down to "we have to take over Greenland before China or Russia do", when there's zero threat of China or Russia invading Greenland.

You might as well say we have to take over Greenland before Zimbabwe does.

As for South America, sovereign nations don't relinquish their sovereignty because they share the same hemisphere with the US.

If you won't want South American countries turning to China, then the first step would probably be "stop being an imperialist dick to South American countries."
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Most Latin American countries are moving in very conservative directions and applauding our interaction in Venezuela.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Why shouldn't they (Russia or China) be able to buy Greenland? Literally, the U.S. could say this to every country as justification for bombing, invasions, and threats.

Russia is already basically the U.S.'s closest none border neighbor.
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Because it belongs to Denmark and Denmark has said it's not for sale?
 
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hog88 said:
Shouldn't the decision to sell be up to the people of Greenland and not Denmark?
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Isn't that up to them to figure out? Shouldn't Venezuela be sovereign? Or how about Texas?

So, if they sell Greenland to the Chinese that would be okay right?
 
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jmacvols1 said:



more info:
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From the mid-1960s to the early 1990s, Danish authorities ran a systematic campaign to reduce Greenland's birth rate by inserting intrauterine devices (IUDs) into thousands of Inuit women and girls, many without their full knowledge or consent.

This program, known as the "spiral case" (Danish for IUD case), was a state-sponsored population control measure aimed at curbing the high birth rate in Greenland at the time, which Danish officials linked to the costs of modernizing the territory.
Key details of the campaign include:
  • Scale: An estimated 4,500 women and girls—roughly half the fertile female population in Greenland at the time—received IUDs between 1966 and 1970 alone.
  • Lack of Consent: In many cases, the women were not informed about the procedure or its long-term effects, and parental consent was often not obtained for minors. Girls as young as 12 were affected.
  • Health Consequences: The IUDs used were often too large for young, never-pregnant girls and women, leading to severe pain, infections, heavy bleeding, and in some cases, permanent infertility or the need for a hysterectomy.
  • Impact: The campaign drastically halved the birth rate in Greenland within a few years.
  • Aftermath: The practice officially ended in 1991 when Greenland took over its healthcare system, but some women have reported non-consensual incidents occurring after that date.
The Danish government and the government of Greenland formally apologized for the actions in 2025 following public pressure and an official investigation. Many of the affected women have filed lawsuits against the Danish state for compensation.

A group of nearly 150 women have filed a lawsuit against the Danish state over the forced birth control program (known as the "spiral case" or "loop campaign"). The Danish government has recently agreed to compensate the victims, settling the legal fight.

Key Details of the Lawsuit and Compensation
  • Number of Plaintiffs: A group of 143 women initially filed the lawsuit, seeking justice and acknowledgment for the human rights violations they experienced.
  • Compensation Amount: The women each demanded 300,000 Danish kroner (approximately $46,000 USD) in compensation.
  • Outcome: In December 2025, the Danish parliament and government agreed to a compensation system that will provide 300,000 DKK to all eligible women who were forcibly fitted with IUDs without their consent between 1960 and 1991. An estimated 4,500 women may be eligible to apply for payouts starting in April of the following year.
  • Apologies: Both the Danish and Greenlandic governments have issued formal apologies for the program.
  • Ongoing Investigation: An independent, impartial investigation into the scope and decision-making behind the birth control campaign was launched in 2023, with its final report expected in early 2026.
The lawsuit was a significant step, leading to a legal victory for the victims and official acknowledgment of the widespread abuse by Danish health authorities.
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Yeah, join us, we'd never do anything like that to any of our minorities.
 
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hog88 said:
Shouldn't the decision to sell be up to the people of Greenland and not Denmark?
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Nope, not unless Denmark relinquishes their claim to the territory.

They haven't, and it's none of our business.

For someone who regularly rails about the US being involved in Europe's affairs, you've certainly changed your tune now that Trump wants to involve himself in the internal affairs of a European country.
 
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TVOLS said:
I'm not advocating the use of force; I'm just pointing out Trump this time around means what he says and China and Russia will not be allowed is this hemisphere under his presidency. It's weird you think that countries are not trying to expand their influence. They are doing it in the arctics and South America why would it not happen in Greenland?
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What inside information do you have that makes you think that, and what do you mean they won't be allowed in this hemisphere? Is that Northern or Western?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Nope, not unless Denmark relinquishes their claim to the territory.

They haven't, and it's none of our business.

For someone who regularly rails about the US being involved in Europe's affairs, you've certainly changed your tune now that Trump wants to involve himself in the internal affairs of a European country.
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The funny part is Denmark is almost certainly going to grant independence. All Trump is doing is screwing up the timeline.
 
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tvolsfan said:
The funny part is Denmark is almost certainly going to grant independence. All Trump is doing is screwing up the timeline.
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Most likely, though Trump threatening invasion or coerced annexation will probably put it on hold from the Greenlanders themselves.

They aren't going to risk gaining independence from Denmark, only to allow themselves to be subsumed by Trump's ego and forced into becoming a Puerto Rico.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Most likely, though Trump threatening invasion or coerced annexation will probably put it on hold from the Greenlanders themselves.

They aren't going to risk gaining independence from Denmark, only to allow themselves to be subsumed by Trump's ego and forced into becoming a Puerto Rico.
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Exactly.

It’s also why there is never going to be a sale. Denmark doesn’t think it has any right to sell the territory.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Nope, not unless Denmark relinquishes their claim to the territory.

They haven't, and it's none of our business.

For someone who regularly rails about the US being involved in Europe's affairs, you've certainly changed your tune now that Trump wants to involve himself in the internal affairs of a European country.
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I haven't changed my tune in the least. I've repeatedly stated my objection to taking Greenland by force either militarily or economic sanctions. My question to you was simple, who should hold the ultimate decision on a Greenland purchase. IMO the people of Greenland should have the ultimate say in their destiny, it's the same way I feel about any of our territories.
 
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hog88 said:
I haven't changed my tune in the least. I've repeatedly stated my objection to taking Greenland by force either militarily or economic sanctions. My question to you was simple, who should hold the ultimate decision on a Greenland purchase. IMO the people of Greenland should have the ultimate say in their destiny, it's the same way I feel about any of our territories.
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It's a moot point, the Greenlanders themselves have already said that they don't want to be part of America.
 
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