Greatest athlete of all time from each state - Tennessee

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volfannbama said:
Bullcrap, athlete period, why try to diminish her accomplishments just because she is a women?
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Why would saying "for a woman" be considered diminishing her accomplishments? She is one of the best female athletes of all time. Which would put her about level with a varsity high school male. The sexes are nowhere close to being equal in terms of athleticism. To say otherwise is blatant trolling. This is exactly why we split the sexes in sports, in order to let ANY women compete, because the best female would literally not even make a professional men's team in any sport.

I'll never forget a Top 10 nationally ranked women's college basketball team playing myself and a few buddies in a pickup game. We got up by about 40 pretty quickly before feelings were hurt. Here's the thing, we were NEVER even close to the best pickup teams playing at the rec. I'm 6'4, can dunk and move pretty well, and I get absolutely shown up by any true D1 male athlete, so I'm not trying to toot my own horn here.

In the words of one honest professional regarding Serena :
"McEnroe: Well because if she was in, if she played the men's circuit she'd be like 700 in the world. "
 
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VolDaddy61 said:
That's just asinine.
as·i·nine
ˈasəˌnīn/
adjective
  1. extremely stupid or foolish.
    "Lydia ignored his asinine remark"
    synonyms:stupid, foolish, brainless, mindless, senseless, idiotic, imbecilic, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, nonsensical, fatuous, silly, inane, witless, empty-headed
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Nice profile pic lol. I think that says alllllll we need to know in terms of which "reality" you choose to accept.
 
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volfannbama said:
Bullcrap, athlete period, why try to diminish her accomplishments just because she is a women?
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Nobody is diminishing her accomplishments by pointing out her gender. ...just highlighting them....

are you people really just too stupid to realize that neither Serena nor Wilma Rudolph would even be mentioned if there were not gender divisions in the sports in which they excelled! Please use you brains for more than just being a lump 3 feet above your azz.....
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Nobody is diminishing her accomplishments by pointing out her gender. ...just highlighting them....

are you people really just too stupid to realize that neither Serena nor Wilma Rudolph would even be mentioned if there were not gender divisions in the sports in which they excelled! Please use you brains for more than just being a lump 3 feet above your azz.....
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SJWs , sports style.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Nobody is diminishing her accomplishments by pointing out her gender. ...just highlighting them....

are you people really just too stupid to realize that neither Serena nor Wilma Rudolph would even be mentioned if there were not gender divisions in the sports in which they excelled! Please use you brains for more than just being a lump 3 feet above your azz.....
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Not sure why you need to call someone stupid, guess it's your insecurity in the subject.

My point is, there is no need to point out she is a women. Its the same argument used for people of different sports to diminish the accomplishment and build up the other. Much the same as katie ledecky. Would she beat Micheal Phelps? No. Does she deserve to be listed on the greatest athletes of all time without an asterisk beside her name trying to make her less than what she is.
 
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SalVolinus said:
Why would saying "for a woman" be considered diminishing her accomplishments? She is one of the best female athletes of all time. Which would put her about level with a varsity high school male. The sexes are nowhere close to being equal in terms of athleticism. To say otherwise is blatant trolling. This is exactly why we split the sexes in sports, in order to let ANY women compete, because the best female would literally not even make a professional men's team in any sport.

I'll never forget a Top 10 nationally ranked women's college basketball team playing myself and a few buddies in a pickup game. We got up by about 40 pretty quickly before feelings were hurt. Here's the thing, we were NEVER even close to the best pickup teams playing at the rec. I'm 6'4, can dunk and move pretty well, and I get absolutely shown up by any true D1 male athlete, so I'm not trying to toot my own horn here.

In the words of one honest professional regarding Serena :
"McEnroe: Well because if she was in, if she played the men's circuit she'd be like 700 in the world. "
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Without going too far down this rabbit hole I'll argue this. Being an athlete and arguing levels of athleticism are two different things. Being an athlete encompass more than just athleticism. There is not one male in high school that is a better athlete than Serena Williams. Could you find one with more athleticism ?! Probably. I'm sure there are D-1 ladies basketball players who could beat you 1:1 even though you may have a higher level of athleticism, I would say they are a better athlete than you are. And as far as McEnroe is concerned 😏......
 
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SalVolinus said:
SJWs , sports style.
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I don't know what SJWs means--sports style.....

But just a very quick check of the FACTS for the 1960 Olympics in the 100m sprints will let you know that Rudolph's BEST time of 11.0--which was her best time ever in that event--would NOT have even been good enough to get her into the quarterfinals in the men's competition.

Was she a great lady, excellent athlete, and person of character? ABSOLUTELY!

Would she even be known if there were not gender divisions in her sport? ABSOLUTELY NOT!

So once again--and I'll TYPE SLOW-- her gender HIGHLIGHTS her accomplishments which would not otherwise exist if she had competed against the best male athletes of her day in Track and Field.... SMDH....
 
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volfannbama said:
Well I guess you answered your own question.
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The word you were looking for was "facts" or "reality".

World Record for Women's 100m: 10.49s
United States Male High School Record 100m: 10.15s

World Record for Women's 400m: 47.60s
United States Male High School Record 400m: 44.69s

World Record For Women's High Jump: 6ft. 10-1/4"
United States Male High School Record High Jump: 7ft. 7"

World Record For Women's Long Jump: 24ft. 8"
United States Male High School Record Long Jump: 26ft. 10"

World Record For Women's Shot Put: 22.4 ft.
United States Male High School Record Shot Put: 24.7 ft.

I could go on and on across a myriad of sports, but it's silly to debate 2+2=4 for too long.
 
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volfannbama said:
Lol, awww is someone threating our wittle manhood?
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I've personally never had any problem with female athletes in high school or college intramural competing with men when they want to. They've all be extremely humble and realistic in my experiences. Heck, I think Serena would admit she probably wouldn't cut the Top 500 list of male tennis players in her prime. It's mostly just those with an agenda that are trying to re-write biological truths that have any problem with such statements made in this thread. And for the record, there are a million things that women are much better at than men. Athleticism (as a general population rule) is not one of them.
 
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VolDaddy61 said:
Without going too far down this rabbit hole I'll argue this. Being an athlete and arguing levels of athleticism are two different things. Being an athlete encompass more than just athleticism. There is not one male in high school that is a better athlete than Serena Williams. Could you find one with more athleticism ?! Probably. I'm sure there are D-1 ladies basketball players who could beat you 1:1 even though you may have a higher level of athleticism, I would say they are a better athlete than you are. And as far as McEnroe is concerned 😏......
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100%. I think we differ on the definition of athlete, much how many in the NASCAR circle would argue that their drivers are athletes. For me:

ath·lete
ˈaTHˌlēt/
noun

  1. a person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical exercise.
I stand by my statement, I think Serena is one of the best female athletes of all time. And I'm glad women are allowed their own leagues to showcase their talents and inspire other women.
 
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volfannbama said:
Not sure why you need to call someone stupid, guess it's your insecurity in the subject.

My point is, there is no need to point out she is a women. Its the same argument used for people of different sports to diminish the accomplishment and build up the other. Much the same as katie ledecky. Would she beat Micheal Phelps? No. Does she deserve to be listed on the greatest athletes of all time without an asterisk beside her name trying to make her less than what she is.
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Being a woman is NOT an asterisk!!!

But it is a necessary qualifier when evaluating the ACCOMPLISHMENTS for which one is recognized for GREATNESS...because their accomplishments were earned on the field/in the pool/on the court of competition against other women--NOT MEN!

Wilma excelled above all women in her sport....
Serena excels above all women in her sport...
Ledecky excels in her sport above all women in her sport...

However....NONE of these folks would have ANY NOTEWORTHY accomplishments for which to RECOGNIZE their greatness if they were competing against the best men in those same sports....It's just a FACT....and all of your PC rhetoric will not change that fact. Wilma's fastest day on the track in any of her events would have not have even gotten her out of the qualifying heats in Rome in 1960. Therefore--if she was UNFAIRLY compared to the best MEN in those events--her greatness would have NEVER been recognized.

And nothing I have said diminishes those the accomplishments of those great ladies--which were duly earned in fair competition against other women.
 
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SalVolinus said:
I've personally never had any problem with female athletes in high school or college intramural competing with men when they want to. They've all be extremely humble and realistic in my experiences. Heck, I think Serena would admit she probably wouldn't cut the Top 500 list of male tennis players in her prime. It's mostly just those with an agenda that are trying to re-write biological truths that have any problem with such statements made in this thread. And for the record, there are a million things that women are much better at than men. Athleticism (as a general population rule) is not one of them.
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Its all irrelevant. Serena is one of the best athletes of all time. There are plenty of women and men tennis players that would never make the list, she does.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Being a woman is NOT an asterisk!!!

But it is a necessary qualifier when evaluating the ACCOMPLISHMENTS for which one is recognized for GREATNESS...because their accomplishments were earned on the field/in the pool/on the court of competition against other women--NOT MEN!

Wilma excelled above all women in her sport....
Serena excels above all women in her sport...
Ledecky excels in her sport above all women in her sport...

However....NONE of these folks would have ANY NOTEWORTHY accomplishments for which to RECOGNIZE their greatness if they were competing against the best men in those same sports....It's just a FACT....and all of your PC rhetoric will not change that fact. Wilma's fastest day on the track in any of her events would have not have even gotten her out of the qualifying heats in Rome in 1960. Therefore--if she was UNFAIRLY compared to the best MEN in those events--her greatness would have NEVER been recognized.

And nothing I have said diminishes those the accomplishments of those great ladies--which were duly earned in fair competition against other women.
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It absolutely was an asterisk...I said serena was one of the best althletes of all time and the first reply was "for a women."
Its not pc rhetoric bud, im.as conservative as they come. Its about.recognizing an accomplishment. It's much the same when people say a basketball players isnt great cause they couldn't play football.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
You have to be a flaming democrat....just ignore all relevant facts and hang onto your own precious and irrelevant opinion.
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Not.a democrat all bud.
I'll ask you two simple questions..

Is serena williams one of the greatest athletes of all time?

If the answer is yes, why does it need to be pointed out that she is a women?

If the answer is no, then why not?
 
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SalVolinus said:
100%. I think we differ on the definition of athlete, much how many in the NASCAR circle would argue that their drivers are athletes. For me:

ath·lete
ˈaTHˌlēt/
noun

  1. a person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical exercise.
I stand by my statement, I think Serena is one of the best female athletes of all time. And I'm glad women are allowed their own leagues to showcase their talents and inspire other women.
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Fair enough.
 
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volfannbama said:
It absolutely was an asterisk...I said serena was one of the best althletes of all time and the first reply was "for a women."
Its not pc rhetoric bud, im.as conservative as they come. Its about.recognizing an accomplishment. It's much the same when people say a basketball players isnt great cause they couldn't play football.
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I'm not your bud, son.

And No! It's NOT the same as saying a basketball player isn't great because he couldn't play football....that's an absurd and illogical comparison.
I've NEVER heard anyone say that Dr. J, Jordan, Byrd, Magic, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Lebron, or Carl Malone were less of an athlete, or had less athletic ability or athleticism than football players like Manning, Brady, Jim Brown, Walter Payton, JJ Watt, etc...etc...

Is there any question that Michael Jordan's athleticism or athletic ability is greater than Peyton Manning's? Both are recognized as great athletes for their accomplishments when competing against other men in their own respective sport.

That's one level of comparison of athleticism....

However--NO ONE in their right mind would ever dare say that Taurasi, Moore, Parker, or Griner were anywhere near as good as Jordan, Byrd, Magic, or Lebron in the sport of Basketball--that would be an unfair comparison because it would DIMINISH the accomplishments of those great female athletes.

And no one would ever compare the greatest women's BB teams against the greatest NBA teams of all time--it would also be unfair.

And if you really do BELIEVE what you are saying is correct--then go lead the charge to abolish antiquated and paternal divisions in all sports--from elementary school all the way to professional leagues. And just see how many females make it to college on athletic scholarships or into professional leagues.
 
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volfannbama said:
Not.a democrat all bud.
I'll ask you two simple questions..

Is serena williams one of the greatest athletes of all time?

If the answer is yes, why does it need to be pointed out that she is a women?

If the answer is no, then why not?
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NO--she is NOT one of the greatest athletes of all time....nor is she in the top 10 of the greatest tennis players of all time...not even close....

WHY? Her athletic ability has NEVER been measured in competition against the BEST tennis players in the world.

Look here, sir--I'm done trying to talk to you about this subject--and will call it a night!

GO VOLS!
 
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