Good hire bad timing .

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MAD said:
How would y’all gage the current overall approval rating of Caldwell compared with Warlick and Harper near the end of their tenures?
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It’s near impossible to gauge the overall rating, as a single fanboard or a collection of rabid social media sites represent …well, they represent themselves, and are in no way a useful statistical sample, randomly selected. I can only answer for myself.

Holly- Her last two seasons were painful to watch. The predictable press conference answer, “I don’t know…” summed it up. Sadness. Sadness for Holly, for the program, the legacy. Disapproval? Yes, but mostly sadness.

Kellie- It quickly became clear that she was, and I might add, continues to be, a
very good coach. Not great. Not excellent. Not outstanding. Very good.
A very good coach with enough ability to get the team to the top 5 or 6% of D1, the Sweet Sixteen. Not higher. Rating? More resignation than sadness. The invocations of Pat's era just highlighted the gulf between history and present.

Kim- Frustration. Watching the team, then listening to her remarks, formed in a theoretical world untethered to reality…frustration starts changing to annoyance, to anger, to despair. All the stages of grief except acceptance. Because to accept that _______ would be to embrace mediocrity.
 
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About the same as Warlick and much lower than Harper. Harper was still in fairly good shape was somewhat of a surprise that she got fired. Warlick got two more years than most wanted her to have. Kim is about 50/50 one more year or let her go now.
 
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MAD said:
How would y’all gage the current overall approval rating of Caldwell compared with Warlick and Harper near the end of their tenures?
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Coming from only my own small circle of Lady Vol devotees, something even worse then disapproval has happened with Caldwell. People aren't shocked at the decline by now and really don't care that much anymore. You can only have your heart broken so many times before it gets callous.

In my circle, with Holly of course there was great affection, but that turned to hoping for mercy killing by the end. It just seemed to go on endlessly. Felt like she twisted in the wind forever and people just wanted it over with for her and for us.

With Kellie I believe there was much more sympathy. People felt awful for her because if it weren't for bad luck she'd have none at all. And truthfully we always knew she would have to go above any of her previous coaching ceilings to win championships and for lots of reasons that didn't happen. But she was impossible to dislike personally, both bc of her history here and bc of her obvious love of her players. She got huge credit for restoring the culture. However most were ready to move on, especially if there was a quality replacement available Unfortunately there wasn't..

Almost everyone I know is mixed on replacing Kim now, Painfully aware she's unqualified but conscious of the disaster of hiring without a suitable replacement and not wanting to repeat the mistake. So theres almost nonchalance. Not exactly shocking news that the decline has hit rock bottom especially with a CEO with zero qualification. Most saw this coming. I don't hear any personal animosity toward Caldwell, more sympathy for someone in a highly public job who is so clearly over their head.

Saddest thing is there will be no mattress burning on campus for the Lady Vols. The decline has gone on for so long that while everyone of course wants vaguely see things restored to the golden days. no one really expects or even thinks about it that much anymore Lack of caring and lack of lofty expectations is the worst possible outcome. But here we are.
 
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1reVOLver said:
It’s near impossible to gauge the overall rating, as a single fanboard or a collection of rabid social media sites represent …well, they represent themselves, and are in no way a useful statistical sample, randomly selected. I can only answer for myself.

Holly- Her last two seasons were painful to watch. The predictable press conference answer, “I don’t know…” summed it up. Sadness. Sadness for Holly, for the program, the legacy. Disapproval? Yes, but mostly sadness.

Kellie- It quickly became clear that she was, and I might add, continues to be, a
very good coach. Not great. Not excellent. Not outstanding. Very good.
A very good coach with enough ability to get the team to the top 5 or 6% of D1, the Sweet Sixteen. Not higher. Rating? More resignation than sadness. The invocations of Pat's era just highlighted the gulf between history and present.

Kim- Frustration. Watching the team, then listening to her remarks, formed in a theoretical world untethered to reality…frustration starts changing to annoyance, to anger, to despair. All the stages of grief except acceptance. Because to accept that _______ would be to embrace mediocrity.
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Coming from only my own small circle of Lady Vol devotees, something even worse then disapproval has happened with Caldwell. People aren't shocked at the decline by now and really don't care that much anymore. You can only have your heart broken so many times before it gets callous.

In my circle, with Holly of course there was great affection, but that turned to hoping for mercy killing by the end. It just seemed to go on endlessly. Felt like she twisted in the wind forever and people just wanted it over with for her and for us.

With Kellie I believe there was much more sympathy. People felt awful for her because if it weren't for bad luck she'd have none at all. And truthfully we always knew she would have to go above any of her previous coaching ceilings to win championships and for lots of reasons that didn't happen. But she was impossible to dislike personally, both bc of her history here and bc of her obvious love of her players. She got huge credit for restoring the culture. However most were ready to move on, especially if there was a quality replacement available Unfortunately there wasn't..

Almost everyone I know is mixed on replacing Kim now, Painfully aware she's unqualified but conscious of the disaster of hiring without a suitable replacement and not wanting to repeat the mistake. So theres almost nonchalance. Not exactly shocking news that the decline has hit rock bottom especially with a CEO with zero qualification. Most saw this coming. I don't hear any personal animosity toward Caldwell, more sympathy for someone in a highly public job who is so clearly over their head.

Saddest thing is there will be no mattress burning on campus for the Lady Vols. The decline has gone on for so long that while everyone of course wants vaguely see things restored to the golden days. no one really expects or even thinks about it that much anymore Lack of caring and lack of lofty expectations is the worst possible outcome. But here we are.
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We have some really great posters, enjoyed reading both of these responses.
 
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Living in SC…Interesting to me that SC just bit the bullet and fired their baseball coach after 0-4 start in the SEC. It’s late March! Been there 80 games less than two seasons! And they fired Kingston who replaced Tanner previously.

SC won back to back Natties in 2009 and 2010 and they still consider themselves a baseball school and should-be contender even though are like our Lady Vols, basically irrelevant at this stage. No one in SC is concerned that no one will want to come coach because he was fired so soon! I cheered for them back then during the World Series when Matt Price was pitching as he was a friend and high school teammate of my son who is all Vol.

Bottom line. If, as rumored and insinuated by some, many proven coaches feel Kim was hired without the credentials to get the job, they are probably just saying told you so. The two years is not a deterrent when you are a big time program. Why take a chance on hitting rock bottom?
 
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DonDiego said:
I don't agree. I like her--I appreciate the fact she came on after the final loss and said she blew it by leaving her system for a Plan B she didn't really want. I'm all in to see what year 3 can bring. There was just something in her pissed off eyes in her presser that makes me want to see next year. I'm thinking she felt pressured into doing something she didn't want to do
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Man that was a cop out. When she abandoned the her "system" they played better. When her system fails she blames the players.

Now she says she changed it but how when we watched it the last half of the season. The ranked games you won was because you changed.
 
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Chipperbones said:
Bottom line. If, as rumored and insinuated by some, many proven coaches feel Kim was hired without the credentials to get the job, they are probably just saying told you so. The two years is not a deterrent when you are a big time program. Why take a chance on hitting rock bottom?
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I like the way you think.

… maybe because that is what I have thought all along.
 
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And I don't want to hear about she needs her types of players. All coaches adapt to the talent they have. You wouldn't not recruit Caitlin Clark because she doesn't fit a system. You change the system and get Clark. She is just obtuse.


Two man game with Coop and Baker would have got her 5 more wins
 
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dognusty said:
And I don't want to hear about she needs her types of players. All coaches adapt to the talent they have. You wouldn't not recruit Caitlin Clark because she doesn't fit a system. You change the system and get Clark. She is just obtuse.


Two man game with Coop and Baker would have got her 5 more wins
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Sure but you regularly rotate them out for Mya and Lauren. They may have been our two elite players but the system demands a Chairman Mao level of uniformity.
 
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AllVols3 said:
She's not stupid. Why go away from what got you the job in the first place? Do I think she can win a championship at UT, no. I also respect the fact that she's adamant about doing it her way, if she going to be successful or fired at least she's doing it her way. I'm glad I'm not DW. He has a tough decision to make .
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So do the fans. Do they buy tickets or not?
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
She keeps saying plan B didn't work but what she is not saying is she had to go to plan B because players didn't like playing under plan A. So what's the real problem here, Plan A or B??
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Would not be the first time "Plan B" was ineffective for her...


That's a terrible joke, someone should probably ban me
 
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BigBadVol said:
This isn’t all on CKC. The players have to take some of the blame. They did quit at times during games. It was obvious there was little or no effort when falling behind against good teams. CKC is going to have to make adjustments but so are the players.
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I agree with this, but I also believe it's the job of the coach to make sure she's bringing in the type of players who will buy in, bust their tails, and have a team-first mindset. And, once your roster is set, the players that don't meet those criteria don't play. Without naming names, the on-court leadership and body language of this team was simply atrocious. I could literally see that in game 1. It was my hope that the coach would correct that, but it actually got progressively worse as the season wore on. I'm guessing that Coach Kim didn't have to deal with that sort of thing much in her previous jobs and had no idea how to deal with it.
 
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Can you imagine if Knecht, Bernard King , Ziegler , Holdsclaw, Candace, Catchings, etc .would have been pulled every 3-4 minutes ???
Her system surprised some teams the first year, but her scheme is not going to work.
I know she had 5 star recruits last year, but I just can't see that happening again ..
Im afraid there will be more players and even coaches leaving .. go Vols
 
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Woodworker said:
The problem with her plan A is it works with players who aren't as talented and have something to fight for. Enter year two, hey Kim we can get you this many Mc All Americans and a handful of top portal players. These players want the ball and be on the floor all the time that is how they have been groomed. Yes they knew her system but LV brand and $ and they said yes. Most likely most thought but when she sees me in the lineup she won't take me out. So do you go after more 3 stars and hope this system will work at this level after it's now on tape how to beat.
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She had a lot of players who aren't very talented on this year's team and they showed it. Enough said.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
She had a lot of players who aren't very talented on this year's team and they showed it. Enough said.
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I don't know if we can judge who is talented on this team. I do think this team had some culture problems. So some of the girls games may have not been up to par for just not wanting to be here. Mya is the only one I saw that shouldn't have played as much as she did or even been on roster. I would also guess Kim never had 4 Mc All Americans at Glenville State , its a different type game with them.
 
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Woodworker said:
I don't know if we can judge who is talented on this team. I do think this team had some culture problems. So some of the girls games may have not been up to par for just not wanting to be here. Mya is the only one I saw that shouldn't have played as much as she did or even been on roster. I would also guess Kim never had 4 Mc All Americans at Glenville State , its a different type game with them.
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If some of the bigs on the team had talent, they refused to show it during the playing time. They didn’t rebound, play defense, hit layups, or play defense in the paint. They jogged down the court and would let player drive past them for wide open layups.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
If some of the bigs on the team had talent, they refused to show it during the playing time. They didn’t rebound, play defense, hit layups, or play defense in the paint. They jogged down the court and would let player drive past them for wide open layups.
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I agree I thought Spearman coming off the end of previous season would have been a force.
She seemed lazy and not focused most of the time.
 
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