Going back for Mel Tucker??

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The comments on him as an NFL coach make zero sense to me. Sure, his defense sucked in Chicago. But this isn't the NFL. This is college. Saban sucked in Miami and Spurrier sucked in Washington. Monte Kiffin is a defensive genius for his work with the Bucs, but wasn't very good in college.

It's a totally different game that utilizes different schemes, and you are dealing with grown men, not young men needing direction. Just because a guy didn't win big in the NFL doesn't mean he can't be successful in college ball. He is up for the Broyles award and that means something.

I'd still rather have Venerbles, but the "Mel Tucker is a bad hire because of his NFL track record" doesn't make sense to me.
 
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laparka said:
I'll say this much:

I'd much rather Mel Tucker than Kevin Steele
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Why?

Steele at least played here and his resume is deeper than Tucker's.

I won't hold that he has HC experience against him in comparison with Tucker's near 0 experience. It was a long time ago and a learning experience. Even if it was bad at Baylor. No one was winning at Baylor then. He took over a team on an 8-25 stretch. He was just another brink in a 15 year wall of losing seasons there.

Outside of that he's been a part of multiple national titles and has been hired by 3 of the 10 greatest coaches in CFB history in Tom Osborne, Nick Saban and Bobby Bowden. He's also worked for Majors, Dabo and Les Miles. That's a lot of experience working for national championship coaches.

Now am I saying I want Steele? Not at all. But I'd take him over Tucker based on resume and VFL status.
 
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k-town_king said:
Ok Mrs Schiano calm down. No one is hiring that that barf bag Schiano.

Rutgers historically is better than the Schiano years.

In the worst conference he had one season he finished ranked.

28-48 in the worst major conference.
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44% of his wins were OOC vs non power five opponents. Schiano's college resume is a polished turd. He had one remarkable year. Before and after that year Rutgers was mediocre at best.
 
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knoxville7 said:
they had to bring in new players....fangio plays a completely different style of defense than tucker did in the NFL. guys like houston, young, mcphee, and acho didnt fit in tuckers system. they lost guys like peppers and briggs, etc. from tuckers defense to fangios because those guys didnt fit fangios defense. the talent level was the same...just different styles
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The talent was the same? I just named 1/3 of the entire defense they replaced, with superior talent, in 1 offseason. By 2016 there was 1 starter from the 2014 team that was still left, Christian Jones and he became a backup and only started 2 games. Yes they went through a scheme change, but those teams under Trestman and Phil Emery were seriously lacking in talent. Ryan Pace has had rebuild the entire roster, it stunk. Wanna guess how many players from Mel's defenses in Chicago are currently starting elsewhere? Only 6 and only 2 of those 6 are full time starters. Basically Mel had 2 starters who would start for other NFL teams, 4 starters who would be backups for other teams, and 15-20 guys who wouldn't (and aren't) even make other teams rosters. But yeah the guy had talent to work with...
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Why?

Steele at least played here and his resume is deeper than Tucker's.

I won't hold that he has HC experience against him in comparison with Tucker's near 0 experience. It was a long time ago and a learning experience. Even if it was bad at Baylor. No one was winning at Baylor then. He took over a team on an 8-25 stretch. He was just another brink in a 15 year wall of losing seasons there.

Outside of that he's been a part of multiple national titles and has been hired by 3 of the 10 greatest coaches in CFB history in Tom Osborne, Nick Saban and Bobby Bowden. He's also worked for Majors, Dabo and Les Miles. That's a lot of experience working for national championship coaches.

Now am I saying I want Steele? Not at all. But I'd take him over Tucker based on resume and VFL status.
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He was terrible at Baylor as a HC and had issues with stress as a DC at Clemson. Does that sound like someone qualified to be a head coach?
 
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VOLFan65 said:
The comments on him as an NFL coach make zero sense to me. Sure, his defense sucked in Chicago. But this isn't the NFL. This is college. Saban sucked in Miami and Spurrier sucked in Washington. Monte Kiffin is a defensive genius for his work with the Bucs, but wasn't very good in college.

It's a totally different game that utilizes different schemes, and you are dealing with grown men, not young men needing direction. Just because a guy didn't win big in the NFL doesn't mean he can't be successful in college ball. He is up for the Broyles award and that means something.

I'd still rather have Venerbles, but the "Mel Tucker is a bad hire because of his NFL track record" doesn't make sense to me.
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I read about his NFL players habits. I.E. they make the same mistakes we've seen on defense for years now. Blown coverages, missed tackles, lack of fundamental awareness. Those are things that apply at every level.

He was good on defense in the NFL and college when he was working with a defensive minded head coach. When he was left as the sole defensive mind, his defenses were awful.

You have to look at his NFL resume because he spent 10 years of his career there. He's been a college coordinator for a grand total of almost 2 full seasons and for one of them he was a co-defensive coordinator.
 
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DaddyChad said:
He was terrible at Baylor as a HC and had issues with stress as a DC at Clemson. Does that sound like someone qualified to be a head coach?
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Once again, I'm only arguing that I'd rather have him over Tucker. Not that he's remotely who I'd consider hiring.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Why?

Steele at least played here and his resume is deeper than Tucker's.

I won't hold that he has HC experience against him in comparison with Tucker's near 0 experience. It was a long time ago and a learning experience. Even if it was bad at Baylor. No one was winning at Baylor then. He took over a team on an 8-25 stretch. He was just another brink in a 15 year wall of losing seasons there.

Outside of that he's been a part of multiple national titles and has been hired by 3 of the 10 greatest coaches in CFB history in Tom Osborne, Nick Saban and Bobby Bowden. He's also worked for Majors, Dabo and Les Miles. That's a lot of experience working for national championship coaches.

Now am I saying I want Steele? Not at all. But I'd take him over Tucker based on resume and VFL status.
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Younger, better recruiter, great coach. Also a part of NC teams. May be the dc for another one this year. Not already a proven failure as a hc.

DaddyChad said:
44% of his wins were OOC vs non power five opponents. Schiano's college resume is a polished turd. He had one remarkable year. Before and after that year Rutgers was mediocre at best.
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Yea. He was utter garbage. He has one season ranked and some act like he turned them around. He was in a major metro area and couldn't even keep the good NJ kids home.
 
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butchna said:
I live in DFW...have for 22 years. I pull for the Cowboys and actually work as a contractor at their HQ. See Jerry and his kids every week, Nate Newton every day and fist bumped Dez last week. Yeah...Go Cowboys. :)
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Well I'll be danged! You just elevated yourself to "insta-cred" status, ha. I loved those early 90s teams. Grabbed me in as a fan, and left me spoiled me ever since, ha. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Tell me where UGA's defense has been anything negative under Mel Tucker...
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I'm not willing to dismiss the bulk of his career for his one year with Saban's long time defensive coordinator who was considered the best in the game.
 
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2 birds one stone. Not only are you hiring a great defensive mind, you are taking your division rival’s defensive coordinator and gonna leave them scrambling a bit.
 
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One thing that bothers me about Tucker is that the only place he's stayed for more than two years is in jax with the jags...
 
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