Get real guys!

[volfan102455]

When the east was tougher than it's ever been....context is not your friend lol.

I've realized that you and about 4 other posters jump thread to thread trying to spew sunshine all over Butch's hot butt...however, you're not cooling it off whatsoever.

Has nothing to do with that - facts are facts. Tennessee has not dominated in the SEC like some think they have. They have always played second to Alabama and Florida.

 

[Brasszilla]

When the east was tougher than it's ever been....context is not your friend lol.

I've realized that you and about 4 other posters jump thread to thread trying to spew sunshine all over Butch's hot butt...however, you're not cooling it off whatsoever.

its called reality not sunshine. and his post really didn't even focus on "spewing sunshine all over butch's hot butt" so much as tennessee championship football in a historical context. did you read the same post i did?:crazy::crazy:

 

[bleedorange0037]

Fulmer won the SEC east title for the first time in his 6th year.

By his fourth year, Fulmer was beating everyone in the conference except for a UF team that was one of the best teams of the 90's. By Butch's fourth year he can't even beat Vanderbilt. Just a bit of difference between those two.

 

[Brasszilla]

Has nothing to do with that - facts are facts. Tennessee has not dominated in the SEC like some think they have. They have always played second to Alabama and Florida.

when you look back at the history like that, you realize that some on this board would have to be like 75 years old the way they talk about ut dominance and what they deserve as fans. i highly doubt there are but maybe a few people on this board that were even alive when neyland last coached (1952) let alone saw regular tennessee dominance.

 

[Evet Vols]

By his fourth year, Fulmer was beating everyone in the conference except for a UF team that was one of the best teams of the 90's. By Butch's fourth year he can't even beat Vanderbilt. Just a bit of difference between those two.

Nope - UTK said if you can't do it by year 4 they must go. Sorry Johnny and Phil you didn't deserve to stay.

 

[bleedorange0037]

Nope - UTK said if you can't do it by year 4 they must go. Sorry Johnny and Phil you didn't deserve to stay.

Surely you can't be this dumb. First, he didn't say anything about the past. Second, the SEC East didn't even exist when Majors took over. Third, comparing the East in Fulmer's first four years to now is riduculous. At that point he was dealing with some of the best teams of the decade coached by one of CFB's all time greats. Butch is competing in an East that is as bad as it's ever been, against a menagerie of mediocre to bad coaches, yet in his fourth season he still can't field a team capable of beating Vanderbilt.

 

[Evet Vols]

Surely you can't be this dumb. First, he didn't say anything about the past. Second, the SEC East didn't even exist when Majors took over. Third, comparing the East in Fulmer's first four years to now is riduculous. At that point he was dealing with some of the best teams of the decade coached by one of CFB's all time greats. Butch is competing in an East that is as bad as it's ever been, against a menagerie of mediocre to bad coaclhes, yet in his fourth season he still can't field a team capable of beating Vanderbilt.

He said it not me and don't call me surely.

 

[bleedorange0037]

He said it not me and don't call me surely.

No, he didn't say anything about Fulmer, Majors, or their eras. He was speaking about the current climate.

 

[Evet Vols]

No, he didn't say anything about Fulmer, Majors, or their eras. He was speaking about the current climate.

Ok -this time frame for firing only applies to fire Butch. Got it. But if we got the "big name" coach like Johnny or Phil they get more time.

 

[bleedorange0037]

Ok -this time frame for firing only applies to fire Butch. Got it. But if we got the "big name" coach like Johnny or Phil they get more time.

In Phil's case, when you dominate the conference save for a dominant program, then yes, you absolutely get more time. Again, surely you aren't dumb enough to not be able to distinguish a difference between the two situations.

 

[VolRoger]

The lord works in mysterious ways- Still wish we had won the east. Maybe this year. in 98 after Manning left, almost no one gave us a chance to win the NC. Ya never know. I think we were #11 preseason in the 98 Coaches poll.

Jimmy Hyams picked UT to go 8-3 that year in regular season.

 

[FlyFishnVol]

I don't understand how anyone feels that a coaching carousel at UT is going to attract any coaches........it makes no sense. The fans that believe that UT should be competitive....got their wish, but now its SEC Championship or NC playoff or the coach needs to be fired. I can almost guarantee you this, if Coach Jones leaves, it will be of his own choosing, and if any of you believe that UT will be able to replace him with some big name..........you are an frigging idiot, it will only send UT into a tail spin again and that will give all the Negative Nancys 10 more years to bit** and moan..........which I believe is what they want to do anyway regardless of coach.

This fan base needs to recalibrate itself, that 1% who live in their parent's basement and have nothing to do but analysis statistics and look at reruns of UT games have convinced themselves that they know football, and that includes sports media geeks who use to make fun of jocks in High School now get their chance to poke fun at the teams and players, and those same basement dwellers believe them, because it fits right in their wheel house.

I played two years of college ball, and I thought is was fun on one end, but it sucked on the other with two a days, film etc. etc..... today's football is a nightmare for students and coaches and I would never want to be a coach at this level. It is bad enough to deal with over 100 people a day, and then to have to hear the most uninformed BS from fans. NONE of us really understand the trials and tribulations of Div I Football, but there are those 1% who have, sadly, made UT Football their whole life......it really is a pitiful situation that a game..........A GAME! has turned normal people into the biggest a$$ wipes I have ever seen.

Let these young men do what they need to do, and one day......it will come, but in the mean time, pick up another hobby.......a girlfriend might make a big difference

 

[volfan102455]

By his fourth year, Fulmer was beating everyone in the conference except for a UF team that was one of the best teams of the 90's. By Butch's fourth year he can't even beat Vanderbilt. Just a bit of difference between those two.

The East was dominate in the first 6 years that Fulmer coached and Florida for all practical purposes was the team to beat. Beat them - win the SEC. Even in the 6th year when he won his first title he lost to Florida. Florida lost to LSU and Georgia that year giving the title to Tennessee. Fulmer did not beat Florida until year 7.

It was a very different SEC with the west not as strong and the weaker east teams still the weaker east teams.

The whole point is that based on the criteria that someone posted earlier - Fulmer would have been fired before he won the SEC if he was held to the same standards that some want Tennessee coaches to be held to currently. And it would have been stupid to fire him just like it is stupid to consider firing CBJ after back to back 9 win seasons.

 

[FlyFishnVol]

Jimmy Hyams picked UT to go 8-3 that year in regular season.

One of my biggest points........CPF had the opportunity to win 3 NCs, but didn't, and UT has not seen those type of athletes since. It was the best of times for Coach Fulmer, the other traditional big schools in the SEC hired a bunch of Coach Dooleys, and UT was the benefactor of some awesome players..........those days are gone, the playing field (pardon the pun) is really equal except for Bama.

 

[volfannbama]

Oh look another one of these

 

[VolRoger]

Surely you can't be this dumb. First, he didn't say anything about the past. Second, the SEC East didn't even exist when Majors took over. Third, comparing the East in Fulmer's first four years to now is riduculous. At that point he was dealing with some of the best teams of the decade coached by one of CFB's all time greats. Butch is competing in an East that is as bad as it's ever been, against a menagerie of mediocre to bad coaches, yet in his fourth season he still can't field a team capable of beating Vanderbilt.

This is a little off subject, but I'm a new member who can't start new threads. Winning the SEC East Division is not anything to be hyped about, imo. There is only two things to get excited about - winning the SEC Championship and the NTL Championship. While I get it that folks want to be excited about something with Jones, until a UT coach beats the West Division in Atlanta in December I refuse to celebrate. My thoughts of winning the East in 2001, 2004, and 2007 mean nothing because we lost to the West in Atlanta. To me going to the Sugar Bowl this year would have been bigger than winning the East this year. Of course we got neither. To me it kinda shows how far our football program has fallen that we're upset about not winning the East. I doubt Florida fans are thrilled to win the East the last 2 years.

 

[FlyFishnVol]

The East was dominate in the first 6 years that Fulmer coached and Florida for all practical purposes was the team to beat. Beat them - win the SEC. Even in the 6th year when he won his first title he lost to Florida. Florida lost to LSU and Georgia that year giving the title to Tennessee. Fulmer did not beat Florida until year 7.

It was a very different SEC with the west not as strong and the weaker east teams still the weaker east teams.

The whole point is that based on the criteria that someone posted earlier - Fulmer would have been fired before he won the SEC if he was held to the same standards that some want Tennessee coaches to be held to currently. And it would have been stupid to fire him just like it is stupid to consider firing CBJ after back to back 9 win seasons.

But Fulmer got his @ss kicked in 2 possible NC games, and his 98 team came out ranked #11.......so.....he only had the best team + a Hall of Fame QB and couldn't bring it home. Butch's teams and Fulmer's teams are not comparable, but Fulmer laid the biggest egg.

 

[volfannbama]

It's funny, that the "negavols" get bashed for "repeating" the same stuff. That might stop if we quit having the same threads over and over.

 

[mtnmanvol39]

But Fulmer got his @ss kicked in 2 possible NC games, and his 98 team came out ranked #11.......so.....he only had the best team + a Hall of Fame QB and couldn't bring it home. Butch's teams and Fulmer's teams are not comparable, but Fulmer laid the biggest egg.

I agree. Fulmer had an opportunity to lead us into elite status and couldn't do it. We won the NC, with a little luck and probably less talent than the '97 team. I think University of Tennessee just failed to keep up with the times. The game changed, recruiting changed, and we just didn't keep up. Ala, LSU, Fla, Ohio State, and others did keep up and took their programs to another level. I'm not blaming Coach Fulmer or any one person. It's been a collective failure overall. It takes a lot of commitment and work to be elite. It just doesn't happen overnight.

 

[Evet Vols]

In Phil's case, when you dominate the conference save for a dominant program, then yes, you absolutely get more time. Again, surely you aren't dumb enough to not be able to distinguish a difference between the two situations.

Yes - Butch has had a tougher road than Phil surely you aren't stupid enough to not be able to see that. Butch is competing with everyone now and has beat everyone except Bama.

Michigan couldn't win their division and lost to a lousy Iowa team on the road - Fire Harbaugh.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

SOME of the people on this board think that an SEC championship is their birthright as a Vol fan. They cite our big stadium , rich history , committed fanbase ( many of whom should be) and rake Jones over the coals cause we are not there yet. They conveniently overlook that Fla, LSU and Bama have won MULTIPLE ncS SINCE 98 when we did. They have just as much money, fan support , pay their coaches as much if not more than we do. Fla,LSU, and Texas A&M all lost at least 4 games this year and their fans , though unhappy, are not ready to panic. grow up and deal with the fact that Sabans run at Bama is a once every 40-50 year freak occurrence and as long as he remains there, no one can unseat him and the redneck Tide . As Clay Travis has said" the other 13 teams would be better off if they each gave 3 million to a fund used to bribe Saban not to coach" Short of that - we will all be playing for second place . Histrionics and whining are pointless. So- get off Butchs back and remember how the Dooley saga found new and unique ways to make our football lives painful. Oh the humanity.

If the other 13 teams in the SEC would contribute $500,000/year for ten year to supplement Saban’s retirement, maybe he would retire. An extra$ 6.5 per year for 10 years in retirement pay may do the trick. However, I am sure Saban would need to win another NCAA championship . Bryant's records are likely what will keep him at Bama for another couple of years.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Did you just say that lsu lost 4 games this year but didn't panic? Uh...they fired their coach this season. After less than a quarter of the year complete. And that guy by the way averaged about 9 wins a year. I think expecting Butch to win the weakest sece with the best talent we've had in a decade wasn't all that crazy. I'd say we are pretty "real"

They would have fired him a couple of years ago if they had to money to pay the buyout. that is why Chief fled to Texas A&M.

 

[RollerVol]

Whether people like to admit it or not, a big part of that is we don't dump coaches when we should.

or...hire the right coaches when we should......chicken or the egg...:crazy:

GO VOLS!

 

[VOLINVONORE]

IF you can't win the SEC East by year 5 then you probably don't belong here. It isn't crazy to expect a divisional championship by year 4. Or

Well, I guess we can expect to hire a new coach every 4-5 years and never give a new coach the time given to Majors and other coaches at other Universities. In the SEC, all coaches are playing for second-third place as long as Saban stays at Bama. Why not let coaches who has brought their teams to the 3-5 place in the SEC continue to build their teams to the point where they will be competing for the SEC championship when Saban bites the dust. I think Saban will retire after 2 more years. Current coaches need to be ready when that happens rather than tearing down their programs and starting over very 3-5 years. Tennessee is already at a disadvantage because they are to only team in the East who has to play Alabama every year. The other contenders in the East live on easy street compared to Tennessee as long as the current SEC alinement remains. I would like a to see a level playing field if we are going to routinely fire coaches for not winning the SEC East and the SEC Championship game.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

when you look back at the history like that, you realize that some on this board would have to be like 75 years old the way they talk about ut dominance and what they deserve as fans. i highly doubt there are but maybe a few people on this board that were even alive when neyland last coached (1952) let alone saw regular tennessee dominance.

I will have to disagree a little bit. The older fans have seen both the very good and the very bad and realize that SEC football is and has been very competitive for many years. we realize the cycles which have occurred and do not expect one team to remain in total power for ever. Things change and will continue to change. Tennessee football was not very good during the years following Neyland’s stay. Wyatt had a couple of good years, bur he did not last very long because of non football problems. Dickey has a nice run but the program fell when Battle could/would not recruit winning players. History is filled with ups and downs for all the better football programs in the SEC.