Get real guys!

[The Tall Gguy]

How is it that we have to rebuild again next year?

 

[BeecherVol]

Not true. I think we all aspire to greatness. We just have different opinions on how and the timeline to get there.

Negas are very impatient. Everyone else has a different level of patience. Negas thinks the years of decline should have been fixed with 1 hire in 1 year. Everyone else understands that a fix that will last takes time.

Yeah thats a stretch.

 

[ksgovols]

Nah, I think I'll complain until Butch wins the SEC or is fired. Which do you think will come first?

Because we wouldn't fire a coach one year removed from winning the SEC East? Yes we would, uh did.

Spoiled.....

 

[The Comb]

I'm tired of people trying to defend Butch by bringing up the past..

It doesn't matter how many championships have been won here before, that doesn't factor at all into how the team of today performs. It doesn't matter how long it took other coaches to have success, its different times and situations. And it doesn't matter (anymore) what kind of mess Butch inherited. He's had plenty of time now to clean all that up, and in fact he has, and has done a great job of it in most areas.

Except... on the field results.

 

[The Tall Gguy]

Nobody said anything about the fact that Haslam signed the apology letter to the Browns fans.

 

[chattavol420]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

I'm kinda on the fence about Jones, but I have no confidence whatsoever that the next hire would be any different than the last three.

I hate that saying...look up the "definition" of insanity on any service. That's not what the definition is

 

[tvolsfan]

Because we wouldn't fire a coach one year removed from winning the SEC East? Yes we would, uh did.

Spoiled.....

I said winning the SEC.

 

[sjt18]

Because we wouldn't fire a coach one year removed from winning the SEC East? Yes we would, uh did.

Spoiled.....

Who was 3 years removed from coaching a very talented and experienced team to a 5-7 record after virtually guaranteeing a championship... and 9 years removed from winning a championship after which the HC got lazy and entitled allowing the program to fall into steady decline.

 

[Brasszilla]

Not true. I think we all aspire to greatness. We just have different opinions on how and the timeline to get there.

Negas are very impatient. Everyone else has a different level of patience. Negas thinks the years of decline should have been fixed with 1 hire in 1 year. Everyone else understands that a fix that will last takes time.

notice how none of the usual jabronies replied to yours or my post about historical championship data.... they just like to focus in on 1 sentence and run with it to fit their agenda. truly remarkable skill to have lol

 

[tvolsfan]

Moron. It is idiots like you who want to keep a revolving door in the coach's office. It's a good way to never hire anyone of worth if you never give them a chance. Who exactly is knocking down our door? Hmmm? Who? Quit ruining everything good you 1980's douche villain.

I don't want a revolving door. However, we will have a revolving door until we hire someone good.

 

[tvolsfan]

Yeah thats a stretch.

No, it's a lie.

 

[tallvolball98]

85-99

Needless to say, I grew up spoiled as a Vol fan. I keep convincing my kids that there was a time when we were feared.

This. I want to be feared, relevant, and competitive. I want to be able to trash talk other fans and ESPN again. I want 4 quarters of great football.

 

[Brasszilla]

I don't want a revolving door. However, we will have a revolving door until we hire someone good.

you're missing the point tho. if we keep firing coaches like this (if we fire butch, 4 coaches in 10 years), "someone good" won't come near tennessee when there is an opening. revolving door of coaches does not help ut's image no attract top coaching talent.

 

[BeecherVol]

Fulmer won the SEC east title for the first time in his 6th year.

5th full year.

 

[sjt18]

Not true. I think we all aspire to greatness. We just have different opinions on how and the timeline to get there.

That's not apparent considering the number who continue to excuse Jones for underperforming his talent for 4 years.

Negas are very impatient.

Waiting 4 years for a coach to coach up his roster to potential isn't impatient. It is far more patience than a coach would receive at UF, Bama, tOSU, etc.

Everyone else has a different level of patience. Negas thinks the years of decline should have been fixed with 1 hire in 1 year. Everyone else understands that a fix that will last takes time.

Well then I guess pretty much no one here is a "nega". However, reasonable but critical fans recognize that Jones has missed a huge window of opportunity and the blame lays at his feet. They also realize that any "fix" that takes time will require more than one coach due to one prerequisite. A coach MUST be able to attract top talent to compete in the SEC. If a coach fails to win big within the first 3 years and at the most 4... recruits stop listening. We see evidence in the 2016 and 2017 classes of this happening.

And... if Jones couldn't win a pathetically weak East with a foundation of player built on two top 5 classes... what is he likely to do with less talent?

 

[tallvolball98]

you're missing the point tho. if we keep firing coaches like this (if we fire butch, 4 coaches in 10 years), "someone good" won't come near tennessee when there is an opening. revolving door of coaches does not help ut's image no attract top coaching talent.

Ok. Let's give Butch 4 more years. (Bluefont)

 

[tvolsfan]

you're missing the point tho. if we keep firing coaches like this (if we fire butch, 4 coaches in 10 years), "someone good" won't come near tennessee when there is an opening. revolving door of coaches does not help ut's image no attract top coaching talent.

How did Alabama ever get Saban? How did Michigan ever get Harbaugh? How much stability did OU have prior to Stoops?

 

[sjt18]

you're missing the point tho. if we keep firing coaches like this (if we fire butch, 4 coaches in 10 years), "someone good" won't come near tennessee when there is an opening. revolving door of coaches does not help ut's image no attract top coaching talent.

Answered the post you responded to.

The bold above simply isn't true. You REPEATEDLY see top name coaches take over for coaches who were fired for failing to meet standards... so long as the program and roster are not allowed to fall into bad shape before the previous coach is fired.

Kirby Smart has been a hot HC name for how long? He jumped at the chance to replace a coach who won 9 games in the year he was fired and had won 10 in 3 of his last five years. Malzahn (one of the hottest names in CFB at the time) replaced Chizik... who was fired after only 4 years which included a national championship.

Probably the hottest name in CFB this year was Tom Herman. He replaced someone who was previously one of the hottest names out there in Charlie Strong who replaced Mack Brown who led Texas to a NC AND accumulated a record of 158-48 in his tenure.


The proven formula for finding a championship coach is to hire and fire every 3-4 years until you find a winner.

 

[1974Vol]

Okay OP just so you'll understand the unrest among the Vol faithful.

1. ALL THAT HAD TO BE DONE TO WIN THE SEC EAST WAS BEAT 4 TEAMS NONE OF WHICH ENDED THE SEASON WITH A WINNING RECORD.

2. HAVING FAILED AT ITEM 1, ALL THAT HAD TO BE DONE TO GO TO A NYE 6 BOWL (SUGAR) WAS BEAT VANDY.

YET ANOTHER FAIL!

So had the Vols gone 10-2 or even 9-3 in the regular season most (the overwhelming majority) of VN would have been pleased. 10-2 SECEC even with another Bama beat down would have been sweet. So don't try to tell us that we're spoiled or entitled or any other horse hockey. When the prize is there for the taking and you choke not once but twice against vastly inferior opponents fans are going to question your ability as a Head Ball Coach. Two beat downs by Bama and an OT loss to A&M on the road and this fan base would be freaking delighted. Didn't happen. You can't blame many of us for wondering if it ever can with this HC. If you can't understand that then there's not much else I or any of the other disgruntled can say. Thank you and have a nice day!

 

[Brasszilla]

How did Alabama ever get Saban? How did Michigan ever get Harbaugh? How much stability did OU have prior to Stoops?

all 3 of those situations are different with michigan being the closest in terms of similarity. bama was in all sorts of trouble with ncaa and was on probation for many years prior to saban. michigan, like ut, was replacing a long standing coach in carr which always makes for a rough transition (ahem... fulmer!) and don't include ou in that because that admin only cares about winning, even if half the team beats and rapes women.

so no, firing coaches left and right does not guarantee landing a once in a generation coach like saban. saban is in a whole different coaching echelon than stoops and harbaugh.

 

[KingtUT]

Not true. I think we all aspire to greatness. We just have different opinions on how and the timeline to get there.

Negas are very impatient. Everyone else has a different level of patience. Negas thinks the years of decline should have been fixed with 1 hire in 1 year. Everyone else understands that a fix that will last takes time.

Where you ready to fire Fulmer?

 

[tvolsfan]

all 3 of those situations are different with michigan being the closest in terms of similarity. bama was in all sorts of trouble with ncaa and was on probation for many years prior to saban. michigan, like ut, was replacing a long standing coach in carr which always makes for a rough transition (ahem... fulmer!) and don't include ou in that because that admin only cares about winning, even if half the team beats and rapes women.

The point is those programs were going through a rough patch with multiple failed coaches and that in no way prevented them from finding a competent/elite coach. The idea that letting Butch fail for another 3 years will benefit us during our next coaching search is flat out wrong.

so no, firing coaches left and right does not guarantee landing a once in a generation coach like saban. saban is in a whole different coaching echelon than stoops and harbaugh.

Of course not. Nobody is saying otherwise. However, keeping a mediocre coach does guarantee you won't win anything meaningful.

 

[Brasszilla]

Answered the post you responded to.

The bold above simply isn't true. You REPEATEDLY see top name coaches take over for coaches who were fired for failing to meet standards... so long as the program and roster are not allowed to fall into bad shape before the previous coach is fired.

Kirby Smart has been a hot HC name for how long? He jumped at the chance to replace a coach who won 9 games in the year he was fired and had won 10 in 3 of his last five years. Malzahn (one of the hottest names in CFB at the time) replaced Chizik... who was fired after only 4 years which included a national championship.

Probably the hottest name in CFB this year was Tom Herman. He replaced someone who was previously one of the hottest names out there in Charlie Strong who replaced Mack Brown who led Texas to a NC AND accumulated a record of 158-48 in his tenure.


The proven formula for finding a championship coach is to hire and fire every 3-4 years until you find a winner.

i think that formula is far from proven. georgia has made 1 hire since richt so they don't apply to this situation. chizk left auburn because they were about to get roasted by ncaa for bribing players so again not the same situation. and like georgia, texas is on its second hire since brown. none of your examples actually support your claim that its a proven formula to hire and fire every 3-4 years

 

[TNnative]

SOME of the people on this board think that an SEC championship is their birthright as a Vol fan. They cite our big stadium , rich history , committed fanbase ( many of whom should be) and rake Jones over the coals cause we are not there yet. They conveniently overlook that Fla, LSU and Bama have won MULTIPLE ncS SINCE 98 when we did. They have just as much money, fan support , pay their coaches as much if not more than we do. Fla,LSU, and Texas A&M all lost at least 4 games this year and their fans , though unhappy, are not ready to panic. grow up and deal with the fact that Sabans run at Bama is a once every 40-50 year freak occurrence and as long as he remains there, no one can unseat him and the redneck Tide . As Clay Travis has said" the other 13 teams would be better off if they each gave 3 million to a fund used to bribe Saban not to coach" Short of that - we will all be playing for second place . Histrionics and whining are pointless. So- get off Butchs back and remember how the Dooley saga found new and unique ways to make our football lives painful. Oh the humanity.

You were doing really well..... then you quoted Clay Travis. At that point, your post became trashy.

Next time, just stand on your own. You don't need an asshat to support your views.

 

[BeecherVol]

all 3 of those situations are different with michigan being the closest in terms of similarity. bama was in all sorts of trouble with ncaa and was on probation for many years prior to saban. michigan, like ut, was replacing a long standing coach in carr which always makes for a rough transition (ahem... fulmer!) and don't include ou in that because that admin only cares about winning, even if half the team beats and rapes women.

so no, firing coaches left and right does not guarantee landing a once in a generation coach like saban. saban is in a whole different coaching echelon than stoops and harbaugh.

Why did Saban go to a place coming off the NCAA microscope where everything you do is gonna be compared to a legend?