Gerrymandering in Virginia

[Jxn Vol]

Yup the official will let you continue to run that ball into the endzone even though there was a flag on the play for holding. But that ball is coming back baby; with a 10 yard penalty to boot

The Virginia AG doesn’t know if he is punting or on defense. Next he will send his petition to Night Court

 

[OrangeTsar]

The Virginia AG doesn’t know if he is punting or on defense. Next he will send his petition to Night Court

The thing I don’t get is how he hasn’t even put out an oops tweet. I mean, at least be a man and own up to a mistake instead of pretending it didn’t happen.

I mean, even this would work

 

[EasternVol]

So the crap going on in Virginia and the rest of the blue states is okay but when it happens somewhere else it is bad? Are you upset about the redistricting in Tennessee and the rest of the South? Should that be overturned?
You can insult me all you want because I couldn't care less and it's all you got, no arguments.

Put more here.

You really should learn how to read. Or take your meds, or stop taking other people's. What is my opinion on the attempted Virginia redistricting? I spelled it out very clearly in this very thread. Can you read well enough to understand what I wrote?

 

[EasternVol]

It's a commonwealth

And a state. There's no functional difference.

 

[swampfoxfan]

A lot of us disapprove of Trump more than you realize. But we despise the American left too much to EVER vote for any of their candidates ever again.
Think of Trump as political chemotherapy. He can be very unpleasant at times and can even make you sick. But it gets rid of cancer; which is exactly what the democrat party became after Clinton.

I'm pretty much directly opposite.

 

[VolinMichigan]

Y

You tell me where the 9 mil democrat voters went from 2020? When was the last time a Presidential candidate won and his party lost almost all down ballot races?

They didn’t vote? Are you saying that it’s an impossible scenario where a person chooses to not vote for someone a second time?

 

[rikberry31]

You really should learn how to read. Or take your meds, or stop taking other people's. What is my opinion on the attempted Virginia redistricting? I spelled it out very clearly in this very thread. Can you read well enough to understand what I wrote?

I figured as much, nothing.

 

[rikberry31]

They didn’t vote? Are you saying that it’s an impossible scenario where a person chooses to not vote for someone a second time?

Show me a time when that many voters, even by percentage went AWOL from one election to the next.

 

[OHvol40]

Indeed. That seems to sum it up.

As to some of the other discussion we were having, I am curious for your answer to the question I asked, quoted in bold below,

The issue is not whether a black representative occupies a seat. The issue is whether or not a majority black district is free to choose their own representatives, or has their district/city/county/town been intentionally diluted with an electorate that favors the party in power in that state.

 

[Jxn Vol]

The issue is not whether a black representative occupies a seat. The issue is whether or not a majority black district is free to choose their own representatives, or has their district/city/county/town been intentionally diluted with an electorate that favors the party in power in that state.

The SCOTUS and Dr. King says it’s not about the color of the skin….sorry

 

[OHvol40]

you didn't address the legal arguments - you just said it was cognitive dissonance and partisanship.

What law do you think was at issue, dude?

 

[Orange_Crush]

The issue is not whether a black representative occupies a seat. The issue is whether or not a majority black district is free to choose their own representatives, or has their district/city/county/town been intentionally diluted with an electorate that favors the party in power in that state.

Diluted to and by what? Your argument seems to assume that blacks deserve preferential protection from politically based gerrymandering that other races do not receive.

(I remember the days when the neo-Nazis were the ones worried about diluting the races.)

 

[Ritzwatch]

The issue is not whether a black representative occupies a seat. The issue is whether or not a majority black district is free to choose their own representatives, or has their district/city/county/town been intentionally diluted with an electorate that favors the party in power in that state.

Would those whose voting power was diluted in order to make the majority black district not have a grievance?

What of the serpentine districts that bring people from vastly different communities together in order to achieve certain racial numbers? The old Mel Watt district, gerrymandered in NC, spread from Charlotte to Winston/Greensboro up I-85. I can't think he could effectively represent urban Charlotte at the same time as East Spencer, Landis and Lexington. Those are drastically different populations, with drastically different needs. Was destroying the voting power of the black population in those small towns by lumping them in with big city populations a gain for them or a negative?

(I hope you know I am not trying to be argumentative, I am just interested in the discussion. The country certainly has a litany of past wrongs, and there seems to be to always be a conflict in how to remedy lingering effects of that unfairness without creating an entirely new victim class.)

 

[OHvol40]

Diluted to and by what? Your argument seems to assume that blacks deserve preferential protection from politically based gerrymandering that other races do not receive.

(I remember the days when the neo-Nazis were the ones worried about diluting the races.)

Memphis has been split into 3, and each of the 3 sections extends into rural TN to dilute the votes from Memphis. Do you think it’s appropriate for people who live in Memphis proper to share a district with people in rural central TN, like Lawrence and Giles counties? Do you think they have the same local issues, same public needs, etc?

 

[Jxn Vol]

Memphis has been split into 3, and each of the 3 sections extends into rural TN to dilute the votes from Memphis. Do you think it’s appropriate for people who live in Memphis proper to share a district with people in rural central TN, like Lawrence and Giles counties? Do you think they have the same local issues, same public needs, etc?

I live in rural West TN and my representative is from Shelby County. I don’t like the guy but that’s who we got when they did redistricting. It cuts more ways than just Memphis losing their white dude that eats fried chicken at his desk in DC.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Memphis has been split into 3, and each of the 3 sections extends into rural TN to dilute the votes from Memphis. Do you think it’s appropriate for people who live in Memphis proper to share a district with people in rural central TN, like Lawrence and Giles counties? Do you think they have the same local issues, same public needs, etc?

Probably not. I'd sign a petition to disallow politically based gerrymandering, but it's legal.

You were speaking to race.

The issue is not whether a black representative occupies a seat. The issue is whether or not a majority black district is free to choose their own representatives, or has their district/city/county/town been intentionally diluted with an electorate that favors the party in power in that state.

Again:

Diluted to and by what? Your argument seems to assume that blacks deserve preferential protection from politically based gerrymandering that other races do not receive.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I live in rural West TN and my representative is from Shelby County. I don’t like the guy but that’s who we got when they did redistricting. It cuts more ways than just Memphis losing their white dude that eats fried chicken at his desk in DC.

And it's done in many states, by both parties. But the issue is not whether politically-based gerrymandering occurs, or is legal. It's whether a race-based rewards program can merit one race a protection from that occurring, while allowing it for everyone else.

 

[OHvol40]

Probably not. I'd sign a petition to disallow politically based gerrymandering, but it's legal.

You were speaking to race.



Again:

It’s not about anyone getting preferential treatment, it’s about voters choosing their representatives instead of representatives choosing their voters. I think most of us can agree that Memphis is culturally unique, densely populated, and should be able to send a representative to DC that represents their interests, not the interests of 10 rural counties.

 

[Orange_Crush]

It’s not about anyone getting preferential treatment, it’s about voters choosing their representatives instead of representatives choosing their voters. I think most of us can agree that Memphis is culturally unique, densely populated, and should be able to send a representative to DC that represents their interests, not the interests of 10 rural counties.

What you described happens to many communities across the country. It sucks. You just seem to be arguing that that's not OK to happen to black communities like it happens to many other communities across the country.

 

[Jxn Vol]

It’s not about anyone getting preferential treatment, it’s about voters choosing their representatives instead of representatives choosing their voters. I think most of us can agree that Memphis is culturally unique, densely populated, and should be able to send a representative to DC that represents their interests, not the interests of 10 rural counties.

Last I checked they can put anyone up to run and vote for anyone on the ticket. If they want a patronizing white dude over a conservative black woman they can vote for him.

Heck what’s Prince Mongo doing- is he still alive? Run that guy. He would align with their interests over Cohen

 

[OHvol40]

What you described happens to many communities across the country. It sucks. You just seem to be arguing that that's not OK to happen to black communities like it happens to many other communities across the country.

It’s happening to the same communities that were oppressed by Jim Crow. The came the voting rights act in ‘65. The SC essentially nullified section 2 of the VRA, which was Congress’s version of enshrining the 15th amendment into enforceable law.

 

[midnight orange]

I think most of us can agree that Memphis is culturally unique, densely populated, and should be able to send a representative to DC that represents their interests, not the interests of 10 rural counties.

“Culturally unique” is an interesting way to describe it. I would say dangerous, dilapidated, dumb and corrupt. Llimiting the damage caused by Memphis voters to just Memphis is a great containment strategy for the well being of the rest of the state.

 

[hog88]

Memphis has been split into 3, and each of the 3 sections extends into rural TN to dilute the votes from Memphis. Do you think it’s appropriate for people who live in Memphis proper to share a district with people in rural central TN, like Lawrence and Giles counties? Do you think they have the same local issues, same public needs, etc?

Well, the people of Memphis have continually shown they cannot make wise decisions so maybe it’s for the best.

 

[Skooter]

Last I checked they can put anyone up to run and vote for anyone on the ticket. If they want a patronizing white dude over a conservative black woman they can vote for him.

Heck what’s Prince Mongo doing- is he still alive? Run that guy. He would align with their interests over Cohen

Ha. Mongo would’ve done a lot more for the community than Cohen accomplished in the last 2 decades.
I have a hard time tbh grasping why the community is so upset. I could fully understand uproar if a black candidate or one in position would be ousted from their position representing a majority black area (61% black isnt accurate for the area discussed btw. No idea where that number came from. Try 95%)
I do not understand being upset a white Jewish man who’s done nothing for the black community will no longer be representing black people. Sounds more like a Dave Chappelle skit.

 

[OHvol40]

“Culturally unique” is an interesting way to describe it. I would say dangerous, dilapidated, dumb and corrupt. Llimiting the damage caused by Memphis voters to just Memphis is a great containment strategy for the well being of the rest of the state.

Said the grand wizard.