Gerrymandering in Virginia

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hog88 said:
Well, the people of Memphis have continually shown they cannot make wise decisions so maybe it’s for the best.
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Just let the “right” citizens choose what’s best for them, amirite? How paternalistic of you 🙄
 
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Skooter said:
Ha. Mongo would’ve done a lot more for the community than Cohen accomplished in the last 2 decades.
I have a hard time tbh grasping why the community is so upset. I could fully understand uproar if a black candidate or one in position would be ousted from their position representing a majority black area (61% black isnt accurate for the area discussed btw. No idea where that number came from. Try 95%)
I do not understand being upset a white Jewish man who’s done nothing for the black community will no longer be representing black people. Sounds more like a Dave Chappelle skit.
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midnight orange said:
Memphis is majority black but it’s a big city with a lot of whites as well. This is the 2nd post you’ve made in which you assume dumb = black. Wanna go for 3?
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Try and try again to pin your own words on me, but you can live with them. I can certainly live with my intentions.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
What you described happens to many communities across the country. It sucks. You just seem to be arguing that that's not OK to happen to black communities like it happens to many other communities across the country.
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He's arguing it's not ok to happen to any community, but black communities are more often the target. And He's correct.
 
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OHvol40 said:
It’s happening to the same communities that were oppressed by Jim Crow. The came the voting rights act in ‘65. The SC essentially nullified section 2 of the VRA, which was Congress’s version of enshrining the 15th amendment into enforceable law.
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How districts are drawn is always up for debate, but do you really believe districts should be drawn by race? That's what you seem to be advocating. Are they really "losing their voice"? No one has taken away their right to vote.
 
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Weezer said:
How districts are drawn is always up for debate, but do you really believe districts should be drawn by race? That's what you seem to be advocating. Are they really "losing their voice"? No one has taken away their right to vote.
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I agree that race shouldn't be how districts are drawn. But it's absurd to claim the second largest city in TN doesn't have a district that is primarily in Memphis. They basically cut Memphis into three parts. It's lazy to argue this wasn't political motivated and racially impacted
 
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Whoever represents me, represents me. And for them to keep their job they had better represent me. Can a woman represent a man? A Latino representative an Asian?
The real problem is outside money that is used to prop up candidates that don’t represent the district but instead the outside interests. And I’m including “party” money in this too.
 
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Wireless1 said:
Whoever represents me, represents me. And for them to keep their job they had better represent me. Can a woman represent a man? A Latino representative an Asian?
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Yea the only people who feel that way are white males. I'm not trying to argue with you but that's the truth. We should probably ask why
 
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volfanhill said:
I agree that race shouldn't be how districts are drawn. But it's absurd to claim the second largest city in TN doesn't have a district that is primarily in Memphis. They basically cut Memphis into three parts. It's lazy to argue this wasn't political motivated and racially impacted
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Not what I was getting at, which is why I started with "how districts are drawn is always up for debate". I totally get the why on why it was done, and I don't agree with it. But I also think race should not be a factor in districts, which is what OH seems most upset about. I don't agree with gerrymandering, but I also recognize it happens in most every state, and both parties engage in it. It's another one of those issues that receives selective outrage.
 
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Weezer said:
How districts are drawn is always up for debate, but do you really believe districts should be drawn by race? That's what you seem to be advocating. Are they really "losing their voice"? No one has taken away their right to vote.
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It's naive to think that the Republican strategy of redistricting doesn't involve neutralizing black representation in the House of Representatives.

It doesn't look like Republicans in South Carolina are going to attempt to redraw their map in order to go after Rep. Jim Clyburn's seat, because they understand that Clyburn (a well-respected black man) is very popular with black voters in South Carolina and they are scared of a potential backlash from an effort to muscle Clyburn out through gerrymandering, but the Trump Administration sure tried like hell to get them to do it anyway.

No one has taken away the right of blacks to vote, but Republicans are trying to limit how much representation they have in the House of Representatives.
 
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Weezer said:
How districts are drawn is always up for debate, but do you really believe districts should be drawn by race? That's what you seem to be advocating. Are they really "losing their voice"? No one has taken away their right to vote.
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How many more people want to make the same invalid point? I think you’re the third now. Sorry, it’s just redundant.

Nobody is arguing that there is a loss of the right to vote, it’s losing the right to choose a representative that answers to constituents that have commonality. Commonality in geography, culture, lifestyle, and (how about just plain old) proximity.

Do you know what gerrymandering is? That’s what just happened to Memphis, intentionally, expeditiously (before the midterms), between census years, having nullified a portion of the Voting Rights Act, with all the maps being redrawn in EXACTLY the same places that featured Jim Crow the most. If this doesn’t stink to you, I can’t help you.
 
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OHvol40 said:
The issue is not whether a black representative occupies a seat. The issue is whether or not a majority black district is free to choose their own representatives, or has their district/city/county/town been intentionally diluted with an electorate that favors the party in power in that state.
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Welcome to politics as normal for the past 50 plus years.

I don't support what was done, but as I've stated elsewhere it's hard for me to get my give a damn meter going when it's just par for the course. I wish we would go to a grid, counties should not be broken up. Clusters of counties should make sense.
 
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OHvol40 said:
How many more people want to make the same invalid point? I think you’re the third now. Sorry, it’s just redundant.

Nobody is arguing that there is a loss of the right to vote, it’s losing the right to choose a representative that answers to constituents that have commonality. Commonality in geography, culture, lifestyle, and (how about just plain old) proximity.

Do you know what gerrymandering is? That’s what just happened to Memphis, intentionally, expeditiously (before the midterms), between census years, having nullified a portion of the Voting Rights Act, with all the maps being redrawn in EXACTLY the same places that featured Jim Crow the most. If this doesn’t stink to you, I can’t help you.
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Representatives haven't answered to their constituents in quite a long time. True of both sides. It's not really the black community you're upset for. It's the Democrats. You're pissed that the Dems lose a seat.

Yes, I know what gerrymandering is. Are you as equally upset that Democrat controlled states also gerrymander their maps. I agree it's wrong. I agree we need to find a better way. But the problem is not limited to Tennessee, nor is it limited to Republicans.

At what point do we actually achieve MLK's dream where the color of one's skin simply doesn't matter? Why does everything still have to be black vs white? When do we finally accept the inevitable truth that all men (and women) are created equal? I know we're not there yet, but when people continually make things about race, it makes me fear we will never reach that point.
 
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"Extremely Scary": CA Dems to Change Election Rules Out of Fear of GOP Wins | Frontpage Mag

“It was extremely scary to envision the November ballot for governor with Republicans on it”
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“Democracy”, as we all know, only works when Democrats win elections. Any time Democrats don’t win elections, “democracy is under attack.”
California Democrats thoroughly rigged elections so it’s already a one-party state. And they liked the idea of effectively jettisoning primaries because they were able to have general elections with Democrats running against Democrats.
Now, suddenly, they face the “specter” of a gubernatorial election in which there are too many unpopular and unknown Dems, leading to one or even two GOPers on the final ballot.
Here’s the LA Times, not even pretending that it’s anything but a set of political talking points from its party, expressing terror over the prospect.
‘Extremely scary’: Specter of an all-GOP governor’s race spurs push to remake open primary – Los Angeles Times
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I guess, democracy is under attack again.
Voters in California may get a chance to remake the state’s open primary system in two years.
Political consultant Steve Maviglio filed an application Friday with state officials that seeks to alter California’s voting system by reverting to a traditional primary. Under the proposal, the top candidates from each party would advance to the general election in November.
The current system allows the top two candidates, regardless of party, to move on to the runoff. That has led to instances in which two Democrats or two Republicans have faced off in the general election.
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But mostly Dems. Now suddenly it might be Republicans and the system needs to be changed.
The state’s gubernatorial election, for example, has prompted concern that two Republicans could shut out the Democratic candidates.
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There was no “concern” when Dems were shutting out Republicans, but the other way around is unacceptable.
“It was extremely scary to envision the November ballot for governor with Republicans on it,” Maviglio said.
A news release from Maviglio states that the proposed repeal of Prop. 14 “is fueled by concerns that California’s primaries are disenfranchising a majority of California voters by limiting choice to candidates from one party.”
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Just understand that “democracy” is Democrats winning and “disenfranchising” is Democrats not winning. Whether it’s ranked choice voting, open or any other gimmick, mail-in ballots, the election system will be remade as many times as it takes to ensure that one single outcome. That’s not democracy, it’s a casino tyranny."
 
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swampfoxfan said:
He's arguing it's not ok to happen to any community, but black communities are more often the target. And He's correct.
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No. He agreed with me that he believes one race deserves protections under the law that others don't get. That just happens to be illegal.

We can all start a petition to make political gerrymandering illegal. I'd sign it.
 
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