Gerrymandering in Virginia

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BeardedVol said:
Neither is the 2nd amendment, as the supreme court has declared that weapon possession/ownership can be suspended and regulated under US law.
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Less and less
BeardedVol said:
That doesn't change what Marx himself espoused.
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Marx never saw a successful revolution. We don’t know what he would have advocated in the wake of one.

We know what all the major Marxist-Leninist leaders who came after him did.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Yes, and they were something different - they weren’t locked down. Communist-Socialist lock down States did not allow for gun ownership, understandably.
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The discussion's whether any Socialist / Communist states have or had private gun ownership. While most didn't, at least two did.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Yugoslavia wasn’t your classic iron-fist Communist-Socialist state. And it still failed spectacularly, in blood.
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I love Tito's relationship with Stalin.

"Its cute you keep sending people to kill me, but at some point you are going to have to stop".
 
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EasternVol said:
The discussion's whether any Socialist / Communist states have or had private gun ownership. While most didn't, at least two did.
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Ok. No major, traditional Communist-Socialist States.
-Strange little Yugoslavia
-Who gives a sht Albania

Traditional, lock-down, boot on neck Communism-Socialism does not allow private ownership of firearms as an individual right.
 
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Virginia was considered the gold standard among states rejecting gerrymandering with fairly divided districts in a state that is divided right down the middle. It then elected Governor Abigail Spanberger, who assured voters that she was adamantly against gerrymandering and then immediately called for the most radical gerrymandered map in the nation after she was elected....

That map passed by a slim margin as Democrats moved to wipe out the representation of half of their neighbors, leaving Republicans with just one of 11 districts.

www.foxnews.com

JONATHAN TURLEY: Virginia Democrats' map scheme faces judgment at the high court

Virginia's gerrymandering fight intensifies as AG Jay Jones prepares to defend the controversial redistricting resolution before the state Supreme Court.
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FortSanders said:
Virginia was considered the gold standard among states rejecting gerrymandering with fairly divided districts in a state that is divided right down the middle. It then elected Governor Abigail Spanberger, who assured voters that she was adamantly against gerrymandering and then immediately called for the most radical gerrymandered map in the nation after she was elected....

That map passed by a slim margin as Democrats moved to wipe out the representation of half of their neighbors, leaving Republicans with just one of 11 districts.

www.foxnews.com

JONATHAN TURLEY: Virginia Democrats' map scheme faces judgment at the high court

Virginia's gerrymandering fight intensifies as AG Jay Jones prepares to defend the controversial redistricting resolution before the state Supreme Court.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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I think it's gross. I also think what Texas did is gross and what Florida is proposing is gross. Can you point to your posts about Texas that reflects your similar displeasure to what VA has done
 
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FortSanders said:
Virginia was considered the gold standard among states rejecting gerrymandering with fairly divided districts in a state that is divided right down the middle. It then elected Governor Abigail Spanberger, who assured voters that she was adamantly against gerrymandering and then immediately called for the most radical gerrymandered map in the nation after she was elected....

That map passed by a slim margin as Democrats moved to wipe out the representation of half of their neighbors, leaving Republicans with just one of 11 districts.

www.foxnews.com

JONATHAN TURLEY: Virginia Democrats' map scheme faces judgment at the high court

Virginia's gerrymandering fight intensifies as AG Jay Jones prepares to defend the controversial redistricting resolution before the state Supreme Court.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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Republicans could put forth a bill in Congress today and end all gerrymandering for congessional districts.
 
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85SugarVol said:
The D’s have had the Presidency & Congress in the not too distant past. Nada.
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since it's the right thing to do if you aren't a tribalist seems it wouldn't matter who put the idea forward

I'm genuinely curious if it is something a Federal law could establish given the state role in their own elections and the nebulousness of what counts as gerrymandering or legit district drawing.
 
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volinbham said:
can they? is such a law Constitutional? if so, couldn't Dems do it as well?
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Article I section 4, clause I.

Democrats have put forth several bills to block partisan gerrymandering in the last decade plus, Republicans have voted against them.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Article I section 4, clause I.

Democrats have put forth several bills to block partisan gerrymandering in the last decade plus, Republicans have voted against them.
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Article I, Section 4, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution (Elections Clause) empowers state legislatures to regulate congressional elections, allowing them to draw district lines. While this enables partisan or racial gerrymandering, the Supreme Court ruled in Rucho v. Common Cause (2019) that partisan gerrymandering claims are "political questions" outside federal court jurisdiction.

hence my question - maybe it could be done?
 
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volinbham said:
Article I, Section 4, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution (Elections Clause) empowers state legislatures to regulate congressional elections, allowing them to draw district lines. While this enables partisan or racial gerrymandering, the Supreme Court ruled in Rucho v. Common Cause (2019) that partisan gerrymandering claims are "political questions" outside federal court jurisdiction.

hence my question - maybe it could be done?
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Rucho vs Common Cause says nothing about whether Congress can enact legislation to ban partisan gerrymandering of congressional districts, by setting standards that would eliminate it.

"Time, place, and manner".
 
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85SugarVol said:
Ok. No major, traditional Communist-Socialist States.
-Strange little Yugoslavia
-Who gives a sht Albania

Traditional, lock-down, boot on neck Communism-Socialism does not allow private ownership of firearms as an individual right.
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He loves doing that meme

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FortSanders said:
Virginia was considered the gold standard among states rejecting gerrymandering with fairly divided districts in a state that is divided right down the middle. It then elected Governor Abigail Spanberger, who assured voters that she was adamantly against gerrymandering and then immediately called for the most radical gerrymandered map in the nation after she was elected....

That map passed by a slim margin as Democrats moved to wipe out the representation of half of their neighbors, leaving Republicans with just one of 11 districts.

www.foxnews.com

JONATHAN TURLEY: Virginia Democrats' map scheme faces judgment at the high court

Virginia's gerrymandering fight intensifies as AG Jay Jones prepares to defend the controversial redistricting resolution before the state Supreme Court.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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due to 35,000 mail in ballots that came in towards the end, which were weirdly enough 99.999% for the gerrymandering
 
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volfanhill said:
I think it's gross. I also think what Texas did is gross and what Florida is proposing is gross. Can you point to your posts about Texas that reflects your similar displeasure to what VA has done
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Didn't Virginia actually violate it's own state laws with it's gerrymandering?
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Whine and cry. Whine and cry. When things don't go your way. 24/7 whine and cry.
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These morons aren't smart enough to recognize that Dems lose this game numberwise due to two things

1) Dems have already gerrymandered as much as they possibly could in most states they control, sure there are 2-4 districts in say CA or IL but for the most part, they don't have the numbers that Republicans could make in House seats in red states
2) Once the 2032 re-shifting happens, blue states (due to illegals being deported but mostly due to actual Americans fleeing them in droves to red states) the census redistricting will give districts and electoral votes to red states by huge huge margin

There is a reason that Dem Leadership is freaking out, (well that and the money laundering NGO schemes being exposed)
 
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MontyPython said:
NOPE.

This effort and other similar state gerrymandering efforts were 100% precipitated by Donald J. Trump initially goading Texas to gerrymander their districts.

Trump has the foresight of a gnat.

I am looking forward to the democrats retaking the House and ending Dumb Donnie's reign of stupidity.
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Unless you get 67 seats in the Senate, it ain’t gonna happen.
You better worry about the 12 to 15 blue house districts in the South you all are losing due to the SCOTUS and its excellent ruling on the VRA this week
 
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