George Floyd Protest/Riots

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Weezer said:
It's stupid. If someone hits you, you don't hit the guy to the left or right of him as a response. People need to stop making excuses for those acting in bad faith. Be outraged. Demand justice. But don't act like striking out at innocent people or places of business is justified. That's just ignorant.
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That makes sense.

Right now we have a clash of cultures between the authoritarians and the anarchists. Just like everything else in this country, the polar extremes are ruining it for everyone else in between.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They weren’t trying to shoot Taylor. They were returning fire to a room that had a criminal shooting at them
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After they busted the door in the middle of night coming in with guns. I would be shooting at them too.

And it’s even worse they weren’t trying to shoot Taylor.....and charges against that “criminal” were dismissed.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm going to archive this quote. I'm sure it will come in handy later.
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The problem is that two Atlanta police officers were fired for using a taser on a person several weeks ago and were fired for using a "deadly weapon" as told by the department. Now the attorneys for the man's family are saying that the officer was fired because the suspect did not have a deadly weapon. Something has to give
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Ok. It’s a less than lethal alternative to firearms like a baton or OC. It doesn’t mean it can’t hurt or kill someone
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The other thing to think about is if the guy had actually tased the officer, he could have went for his gun. The guy had already shown to be a violent and non cooperative suspect
 
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Wow, talk about damning. This well-spoken young man offered to walk home and those meanie pigs refused to authorize his request!

The amount of misinformation in the replies regarding Rayshard being fully compliant with the law due to not actively driving when caught is hilarious given that a bunch of people who don’t even own vehicular transportation believe themselves to be fully cognizant of the law.
 
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Weezer said:
I don't think it's okay to shoot a fleeing man, but I also don't think it's okay to resist arrest.
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No one is trying to excuse the resisting. The issue is whether a man who has been patted down and found to be unarmed, who then resists arrest, breaks free, unsuccessfully attempts to use a non-lethal weapon on the cops, but then runs in the opposite direction, can be shot and killed.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Ok. It’s a less than lethal alternative to firearms like a baton or OC. It doesn’t mean it can’t hurt or kill someone
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The police could have been shot in the face by the taser. I wonder how many on here would volunteer to take a taser to the eye?
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
TCA 39-11-220(b)(2). Clean kill in Tennessee based on the video. I can tell that you want to be outraged and think that this guy was fleeing and no longer presented any threat to anyone, but anyone who is objective will agree that a guy who is drunk, fights two cops, and steals a tazer and tried to use it on the armed police, presents an immediate threat of harm if not to the police than to anyone nearby.
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As far as I can tell there is no "TCA 39-11-220(b)(2)"

2010 Tennessee Code :: Title 39 - Criminal Offenses :: Chapter 11 - General Provisions :: :: Part 2 - Burden of Proof
 
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evillawyer said:
No one is trying to excuse the resisting. The issue is whether a man who has been patted down and found to be unarmed, who then resists arrest, breaks free, unsuccessfully attempts to use a non-lethal weapon on the cops, but then runs in the opposite direction, can be shot and killed.
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Survey says: Yes.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:


Wow, talk about damning. This well-spoken young man offered to walk home and those meanie pigs refused to authorize his request!

The amount of misinformation in the replies regarding Rayshard being fully compliant with the law due to not actively driving when caught is hilarious given that a bunch of people who don’t even own vehicular transportation believe themselves to be fully cognizant of the law.
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It’s a valid question why at that point the police wouldn’t just let him walk to his sisters house. I’m not an expert and I don’t know what the officer’s thinking is. But why not just diffuse the situation, let the guy walk home, and go about your shift?
 
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evillawyer said:
No one is trying to excuse the resisting. The issue is whether a man who has been patted down and found to be unarmed, who then resists arrest, breaks free, unsuccessfully attempts to use a non-lethal weapon on the cops, but then runs in the opposite direction, can be shot and killed.
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How does the actual shooter know, beyond a shadow of a doubt and in all the confusion (with the adrenaline flowing), that the dead man didn't have his partner's firearm and was shooting it at him?
 
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rjd970 said:
After they busted the door in the middle of night coming in with guns. I would be shooting at them too.

And it’s even worse they weren’t trying to shoot Taylor.....and charges against that “criminal” were dismissed.
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The guy was standing directly in front of her behind a door shooting at police. Police can’t magically shoot at the suspect firing on them and keep evert bullet from going around him or thru him. This isn’t the Matrix
 
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evillawyer said:
Serious question, once a taser is discharged, can it immediately (or at least easily) be fired again? If not, the fact that he fired the taser and missed seems to be irrelevant.
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He didn’t miss. You see the officer was struck by it. And yes you can use the taser over and over again
 
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rjd970 said:
It’s a valid question why at that point the police wouldn’t just let him walk to his sisters house. I’m not an expert and I don’t know what the officer’s thinking is. But why not just diffuse the situation, let the guy walk home, and go about your shift?
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He was not complying. He fought them, assaulted both of them and shot them with a taser. They aren’t allowed to let an intoxicated person walk home because if he gets hit by a car or something they will get sued Learn the law
 
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Acuna_Matata said:
The other thing to think about is if the guy had actually tased the officer, he could have went for his gun. The guy had already shown to be a violent and non cooperative suspect
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That is a fair point. At the end of the day though, a guy was shot in the back by the police and he didn’t pose an immediate threat with a taser.

Also, and I know it’s easy to Monday morning QB this incident....but wasn’t there a second officer on the scene? I’m sure he could have stopped a guy trying to get away from reversing course, deciding to fight, and making the decision to run back and get a police officers gun?
 
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volfanhill said:
There were cars full of people right there.
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Right, and this obviously violent criminal could have entered any of those vehicles and caused harm to them just as he did with the police. As I stated before they have a duty to protect the public as well. The guy was an out of control criminal hell bent on doing whatever was needed to get away. Had he been able to get a gun away from them the officers would be dead right now instead of him. He escalated every step of his arrest including his shooting resulting in death. He deserves no pity, he was a moron. I feel sorry for his children, that's about it.
 
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Acuna_Matata said:
The other thing to think about is if the guy had actually tased the officer, he could have went for his gun. The guy had already shown to be a violent and non cooperative suspect
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evillawyer said:
No one is trying to excuse the resisting. The issue is whether a man who has been patted down and found to be unarmed, who then resists arrest, breaks free, unsuccessfully attempts to use a non-lethal weapon on the cops, but then runs in the opposite direction, can be shot and killed.
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tennessee Vs Garner. Pretty open and shut case
 
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rjd970 said:
That is a fair point. At the end of the day though, a guy was shot in the back by the police and he didn’t pose an immediate threat with a taser.

Also, and I know it’s easy to Monday morning QB this incident....but wasn’t there a second officer on the scene? I’m sure he could have stopped a guy trying to get away from reversing course, deciding to fight, and making the decision to run back and get a police officers gun?
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He did pose a threat with the taser. To say otherwise is simply ignorant
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He was not complying. He fought them, assaulted both of them and shot them with a taser. They aren’t allowed to let an intoxicated person walk home because if he gets hit by a car or something they will get sued Learn the law
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The video sure looked like he was complying before it went bad.

Then why not give him a ride home, or let him call someone to pick him up? Why is it necessary to arrest a guy who I guess was just sleeping in his car? It wasn’t like he was swerving all over the place and being a danger to anyone.

And I do know the law, he has every right to refuse that breathalyzer, and for that matter to answer any questions. He was trying to comply and reason with the officers, at least in the beginning.
 
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