George Floyd Protest/Riots

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McDad said:
Interesting take. Using the murders of black citizens in Chicago is a racist approach. Would seem to me only racist if they were encouraging more murders and not bringing awareness to the current murders.

My understanding of Chicago is most of the shootings are related to gang disputes over turf for drug business.
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Good article here..

The Saker: "The Systemic Collapse of the US Society Has Begun"


Then there is what Solzhenitsyn called the “decline of courage” in the West: the vast majority US politicians have basically lost the ability to criticize Blacks, even when it is quite obvious that many of the current problems of the Black population of the US are created by Blacks themselves: I think of the truly vulgar, obscene and overall disgusting “rap culture” with which most Black youth are now “educated” in since early childhood or how many Black youth have been brainwashed into considering gang members and street prostitutes as the measure of what “looking cool” looks like in terms of clothes, language and overall behavior.
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The fact is that what is sometimes called the “MTV culture” is, in reality, nothing else than a systematic glorification of criminal mayhem. Forget about rap hits like the famous “F*** Da Police” or “Kill d’White People“, I would argue that 99% of rap is a glorification of all the worst problems of Black communities in the US (drugs, violence, promiscuous sex, objectification of women, alcoholism, glorification of criminal behavior in the streets and in prisons, etc.). Yet most US politicians seem to be paralyzed and feel the need to pretend like they are absolutely charmed by this so-called “Black culture”. But it is even worse than that.
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lawgator1 said:
I saw that this morning. Its naive, to say the least.
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I understand why she used house being broken into but that’s only one small example . Social workers , government officials , hell all politicians have zero power without the threat of police back up ( force ) . Say a woman is raped , there’s no PD , a social worker can’t do anything . PDs enforce the laws , without them the laws are worthless . It’s an insane concept .
 
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0nelilreb said:
Yes you do know . I spelled it out for you . I didn’t lump anybody , I was very specific .
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Specific in that you lumped "them" all in together, the protesters and looters and city burners. Do you differentiate between the protesters and looters/fire bugs or are they all the same to you? Generalizing and painting with broad brushes of what "they" are doing and calling it "specific" doesn't make it specific. The implication was that everyone outside of those descriptors were free from the effects of blame for the continued poverty. So, OK?
 
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LouderVol said:
IYO that's a net improvement?

I am pretty libertarian, but dismantling the police force makes any pretense of the government protecting all our rights impossible. Good bye justice system as a whole. Better hope your neighborhood Karen with a beef is more concerned about your rights than the cops are.

I am wondering about where you see this line of thinking ending?
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I think we as a society place way too much emphasis on the thought that police are there to protect our rights, when in fact their true nature is to be the army of the elite who are responsible for passing laws that are meant to keep the people in line and in their respective income and social brackets.

As far as where the line of thinking ends, I think that once the cops prove they're capable of being held accountable for their actions, just like everyone else, then this line of thinking will end.
 
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Septic said:
Specific in that you lumped "them" all in together, the protesters, looters and city burners. Do you differentiate between the protesters and looters/fire bugs or are they all the same to you? Generalizing and painting with broad brushes of what "they" are doing and calling it "specific" doesn't make it specific. The implication was that everyone outside of those descriptors were free from the effects of blame for the continued poverty.
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I believe I did state that looting , burning , killing etc. it a dumbass thing to do . If you are protesting you are not doing these things . If you are rioting you are . One is a right , one is a crime . Riots by nature are only destructive and lead only to more problems , and turn people off . Peaceful protests by nature gets your message across to the masses that will cause people to be sympathetic to your grievances. Americans have a short attention span , you have a small window to get the population to side with your cause . Destruction of cities will overshadow the main goal after a while and the majority will just entrench themselves again the burning and looting approach to make sure it doesn’t happen to their community.
 
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0nelilreb said:
I understand why she used house being broken into but that’s only one small example . Social workers , government officials , hell all politicians have zero power without the threat of police back up ( force ) . Say a woman is raped , there’s not PD , a social worker can’t do anything . PDs I force the law , without them the laws are worthless . It’s an insane concept .
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At the heart of the idea is the notion that police cannot be trusted to handle problems, particularly in the black or other minority communities. But the vast, vast majority of the time they are called out the situation is addressed reasonably and appropriately.

Those incidents don't make the news.

So if she or the city commission want to make policy I would encourage them to wait a bit and study some statistical analysis of responses to those areas and how often force is used relative to arrests or encounters with the mentally ill. I think they will be surprised and might want to consider lesser options, such as retraining, maybe some problem employee detection programs, that sort of thing.
 
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0nelilreb said:
I believe I did state that looting , burning , killing etc. it a dumbass thing to do . If you are protesting you are doing these things . If you are rioting you are . One is a right , one is a crime . Riots by nature are only destructive and lead only to more problems , and turn people off . Peaceful protests by nature gets your message across to the masses that will cause people to be sympathetic to your grievances. Americans have a short attention span , you have a small window to get the population to side with your cause . Destruction of cities will overshadow the main goal after a while and the majority will just entrench themselves again the burning and looting approach to make sure it doesn’t happen to their community.
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That is absurd and it affirmatively confirms the question I posed to you. This is why I pointed out how the same generalizations would have us all believe that all cops are racist because a few are 'bad apples'. which is equally as absurd.
 
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Septic said:
That is absurd and it affirmatively confirms the question I posed to you. This is why I pointed out how the same generalizations would have us all believe that all cops are racist because a few are 'bad apples'. which is equally as absurd.
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lawgator1 said:
At the heart of the idea is the notion that police cannot be trusted to handle problems, particularly in the black or other minority communities. But the vast, vast majority of the time they are called out the situation is addressed reasonably and appropriately.

Those incidents don't make the news.

So if she or the city commission want to make policy I would encourage them to wait a bit and study some statistical analysis of responses to those areas and how often force is used relative to arrests or encounters with the mentally ill. I think they will be surprised and might want to consider lesser options, such as retraining, maybe some problem employee detection programs, that sort of thing.
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I agree with much of this, but that isn't going to happen I don't believe. Maybe as this country down and cooler calmer heads prevail. But to the point is been a context to see who can pander and give the best lip service not address the real problems. I've said at least once before to solve these problems it's going to take all sides coming to terms with some no so comfortable truths.
 
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0nelilreb said:
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OK.

I'd bet a paycheck that few, if any on the right are taking the time to make the distinction between those protesting and those looting. It's easier to just lump them all in together. In your initial post, it appeared as if you did that - which is why I asked.
 
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Septic said:
Antifa is who you want them to be. I think it's a lazy man's catch all for kids who like to break sht.
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Sooner or later kids have to grow up and out of that stage . The problem is you see a lot of non “kids “ in the ANTIFA movement .
 
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McDad said:
The headline which is designed to be sensational and attention-grabbing is the reason for the knee jerk. The articles clearly show the intent and reasoning behind the clickbait-ish title.
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Yep..... more media manipulation
 
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Septic said:
OK.

I'd bet a paycheck that few, if any on the right are taking the time to make the distinction between those protesting and those looting. It's easier to just lump them all in together. In your initial post, it appeared as if you did that - which is why I asked.
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I’ve watched every video out there so far of protestors vs the people looting , setting fire to cars , buildings , breaking windows/ glass out of hospitals . I’ve seen videos of protestors that follow people breaking things and trying to help fix the destruction . It’s not hard to tell the differences . You know where we live , you know it’s a very progressive liberal city ... we have PROTESTORS that have used there constitutional rights to peaceful protest . There’s no burning , rioting , looting going on . Again it’s not hard to see the difference.
 
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Antifa isn't an identifiable, static member organization. Its a loose collaboration of various groups that generally adhere to either a civil liberties, or civil libertarian and anti-government philosophy. Their identity has been coopted by all sorts of people for their own agendas. You can't ascribe to them terrorism as a core belief any more than you could say that all people carrying Tea Party signs necessarily wanted another civil war.
 
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